Skip to comments.Oh My: Standalone DADT repeal bill passes House as Olympia Snowe flips to yes in Senate
Posted on 12/15/2010 5:41:23 PM PST by tom h
They already passed an amendment to repeal DADT back in May, but that was part of a broader defense bill. Todays vote was on the standalone DADT bill that Lieberman and Collins are hoping to put in front of the Senate next week. The vote in May: 234-194, with just five Republicans voting yes. The vote today: 250-175, with 15 Republicans in the majority. (Among the 10 who flipped to yes this time: Jeff Flake.) It was smart of Pelosi to force a vote in the House, just as it was smart of Reid to table the vote on the DREAM Act so that the House could go first. In each case, the fact that the lower chambers already passed a corresponding bill ratchets up the pressure on Senate fencesitters.
In fact, its already paying dividends. Olympia Snowe was one of the 40 no votes last week on the defense bill that had a DADT repeal provision in it, but suddenly on the standalone bill shes had a change of heart:
After careful analysis of the comprehensive report compiled by the Department of Defense and thorough consideration of the testimony provided by the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the service chiefs, I support repeal of the dont ask, dont tell law, Snowe said in a statement.
Remember, the sticking point for Scott Brown and Murkowski (but not Collins!) has been the procedural posture of the DADT vote, not the substance. They claim theyre in favor of repeal, but they want the tax deal finalized which could happen tomorrow and they wanted more time for debate on the broader defense bill. Im not sure how those procedural objections will translate to the new standalone DADT bill. It could be that Brown, Murkowski, and Snowe all vote yes, which would actually put Reid at 61 votes for cloture, or they could all vote no for whatever procedural reason, leaving Reid stuck at 58. Or maybe Snowe alone will join Collins in voting yes, putting Reid one thin vote away from the magic number. If that happens, the pressure on Manchin to switch from no to yes will be overwhelming, especially since one of his aides said after last weeks vote that he probably would have voted differently if he had been the 60th vote. Long story short, anything can happen, but theyre tantalizingly close to finally getting this done. Exit question: After threatening to hold the lame duck session over until January 4th if need be to deal with the START treaty and other business, Reid basically has to bring this bill to the floor now, right? Gay activists arent going to accept we ran out of time as an excuse.
To those who think that having open gays serve in the military is no big deal, just answer me this -- I cannot imagine any young man wanting to fight alongside another man who might have a sexual attraction toward him. It's disruptive and offensive no matter how much PC-bull honkey one says about it. Matters of sex should stay out of the foxhole altogether.
This is the same reason, of course, why I am violently opposed to women in combat, also.
Tan shoes with pink shoelaces.
Isn’t there a big military base in Maine? It needs to be moved or closed down since the Maine twins are both set on betraying our military.
Don’t these Asshats realize that if they repeal DADT, the military is going to struggle to recruit and retain people? Our military will eventually become very weak and our country will no longer be able to defend itself and rebellion and secession will eventually come to fruition. I predict within 50 to 100 years, the USA will be no more....
***To those who think that having open gays serve in the military is no big deal,***
what would George Washington do?
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The Writings of George Washington from the Original Manuscript Sources, 1745-1799. John C. Fitzpatrick, Editor.
Head Quarters, V. Forge, Saturday, March 14, 1778.
Parole Ormskirk. Countersigns Otley, Ottery.
At a General Court Martial whereof Colo. Tupper was President (10th March 1778) Lieutt. Enslin28 of Colo. Malcom’s Regiment tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; Secondly, For Perjury in swearing to false Accounts, found guilty of the charges exhibited against him, being breaches of 5th. Article 18th. Section of the Articles of War and do sentence him to be dismiss’d the service with Infamy. His Excellency the Commander in Chief ( George Washington) approves the sentence and with Abhorrence and Detestation of such Infamous Crimes orders Lieutt. Enslin to be drummed out of Camp tomorrow morning by all the Drummers and Fifers in the Army never to return; The Drummers and Fifers to attend on the Grand Parade at Guard mounting for that Purpose.
this whole bunch in power needs to go. They are traitors to our Constitution, our way of life.
Closed last year. Brunswick Naval Air Base. Maine still has Bath Iron Works, builder of Navy ships.
It’s difficult to believe that Congress is voting to legalize sodomy. It’s all downhill from here.
They. Don’t. Care. Their political agenda is the only thing they care about, but they’ll be the first to start shrieking for protection when we get attacked the next time.
We have a government out of control. The fact that this is being done in a lame duck congress is a national shame.
I don't think it will last that long. We are clearly at or beyond the "bread and circuses" stage of another once-great empire. The majority are content with whatever pittance the government sends their way as long as they can bed whomever they want, whenever they want, with complete impunity. The generation of children left to raise themselves as best they can (with government indoctrination as their sole education) will not be able to sustain a viable society.
I have wondered if that’s their plan.
YES! They DO know! They are INTENTIONALLY destroying the US! They know that their agenda is dead come January 5 so they are trying to shove as much down our throats to do as much damage as possible before then!
And the RINOs go right along because they are nothing but sleeper socialists.
It’s the way they do things which they know Americans oppose-look at CommieCare and how they passed that, all the shameful wheeling and dealing behind closed doors. I know that’s nothing new, but in some cases the deal was to avoid the very legislation they were stuffing down our throats.
They have already been voted out. This is their last middle finger as they are heading out the door.
What are the prospects of this passing in the Senate?
Well, they really need to think about moving to VA or some other military friendly state.
“In fact, its already paying dividends. Olympia Snowe was one of the 40 no votes last week on the defense bill that had a DADT repeal provision in it, but suddenly on the standalone bill shes had a change of heart”
What’s in the Omnibustus Bill for her? Or is there a couple million coming from Ogunquit?
Yes, that's their goal. That way, the Obama Civilian Security Force will be the best option. You see, Hussein's Praetorian Guard won't accept homos. They aren't stable enough to protect His Kenyanness.
Our military will eventually become very weak and our country will no longer be able to defend itself and rebellion and secession will eventually come to fruition.
Yes. You say that like it's supposed to convince people who have that as their goal to change their course and methods. You are operating from the false premise that these people are American patriots. They are not. They are anti-American sleeper agents extraordinaire.
I predict within 50 to 100 years, the USA will be no more....
LOL, you're insanely optimistic. We've got 2 years, tops. Probably more like 6 months.
I don't think career politicians think in those terms.
The RINO's perception is that this is a small price to pay for our tax cut extension.
This was a deal cut behind closed doors!
Knock a couple of zeros off of your projection and I am in agreement...
“Bread and circuses”, that’s exactly what we have the modern version of. We know what that has usually meant in a society.
Of course they realize it. It's been a desired result for decades for the Left.
The USA in which I grew up is no more.
“... and rebellion and secession will eventually come to fruition. I predict within 50 to 100 years....”
By then it will be too late.
When we are attacked, use the leftist scum as breastworks.
Living up to his name.
That is just what they want a less than honorably military because they will follow orders no matter who give them or if they are legitimate orders.
I did not fear my military a year ago or even now, but in 4 years or 10 years from now I will I believe.
“The USA in which I grew up is no more.”
Unfortunately, you are right. I’ll be 60 on my next birthday, and the America I knew and loved is a thing of the past. But I swear I will do everything in my power to get her back!
A big part of every government department's budget is salaries. Fewer service people in arms means lower salary costs, lower retirement and benefits costs.
Besides, if over time the only people that join the military are the gays, they'll look so fabulous in their new powder blue uniforms when the UN is given authority.
Fifty to a hundred years? No sir. That was fifty or a hundred years ago. We are about to get into the ‘do your business or get off the pot’ territory. The last election may have been the last yelp of the populace voting and mattering in the slightest. What has been coming, and what seems to be now here, is the rule of bureaucratic fiat. We will be regulated into submission. And if we try to fight it, we will end up jobless, homeless, and forbidden from participating in today's ‘modern’ society.
Now, are you ready to fight, or are you willing to go into that dark night with nary a whimper. It is time to chose. Chose wisely.
Your perception of time is skewed. Funeral services were held a couple of years ago:
Why is a combat-equipped Marine platoon not marching up 14th Avenue right now? This is more important than any other battle they’ve ever been charged with.
I am, and I have an idea how to do it.
I work until midnight Friday, and then dont need to be back until about noon Monday (though I might call in for Monday if we do this).
Im willing to drive my minivan from Grand Rapids, Michigan to Washington DC and back, starting from an agreed rally point at 12:30 AM Saturday, with at least three but no more than five GR FReepers (the van will hold seven, but six will be more comfy). Each person should have cash for gas and tolls for the group, and meals for themselves. There would be a fifteen to thirty minute break every three to four hours (that is, at the three hour mark the driver would start looking for a roadside stop with fuel and amenities). Driver relief would be voluntary, but expected.
On arrival, the van would make one complete circuit of the Beltway, and then proceed into the city across the Arlington Memorial Bridge, east along Independence Ave., past the Capitol to First St., north to Constitution Ave, west across the Theodore Roosevelt Memorial Bridge, back onto the Beltway.
But wait, theres more.
We would proceed along the Beltway to the River Road Exit, take River Road until it crosses Nebraska Ave NW and becomes Wisconsin Ave NW, follow Wisconsin to Massachusetts Ave NW, left on Massachusetts, past the Observatory, around DuPont Circle to Connecticut Ave NW, south on 17th St past the White House, to Constitution Ave, left (east) on Constitution to 14th St, left (north) on 14th to Massachusetts, to Wisconsin, to River Road, and out of the city.
And then home.
No marches, no speakers, no bands, few if any signs. No parking. No porta-potties. Just a quick driving tour of the city.
So this. How many others in the Grand Rapids area have cars and can get away from early Saturday morning until sometime Sunday?
How many in Kalamazoo?
How many in Battle Creek? Lansing? Ann Arbor? The Detroit burbs?
How many in Cadillac, Kalkaska, Traverse City?
How many in St Ignace, Sault Ste Marie, even Marquette?
And this. How many in Illinois could do it? Indiana? Ohio? Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia? How about it, Tennessee? Georgia?
Could we get a thousand FReepmobiles to show up in Washington, on the same day, driving the same predetermined route? Imagine the sight, on that part of Constitution Ave between the Washington Monument and the Ellipse, with a line of Freepers completing the first circuit going west, and another line of them halfway through the second going east? And what if they had their horns a-blowing?
Could we get 10,000 cars? A quarter million? Can you imagine a caravan that long, horns blowing, not stopping (except for traffic signals), just looping around the Seat of Government? Just a few minutes per vehicle, but hours on the ground.
No muss, no fuss, and we all go home. Some of us even make it to church next morning.
No schedules, apart from meeting people with whom you would be riding. We dont want to arrive all at once; just a steady stream throughout the day. I would expect that if my group could leave by 12:30 AM, wed arrive around 2:00 or 3:00 PM and be back home by 6:00 or 7:00 Sunday morning (thats a mental SWAG, and I could be way off).
Well, it seems like a good idea to me, and Im willing to do it.
Im going to do something I havent done on purpose before; Im going to post this in three or four promising threads, and then Im going to close my browser, and go do other things, and leave FR alone for 36 hours. When I come back Friday morning, Ill be looking to see if this idea has taken root and flourished. Ill be looking for FReepmails from GR FReepers wanting to ride along with me; from other FReepers who will bring their own cars and carloads; a couple thousand posts from several states, each indicating a desire to participate.
“the military is going to struggle to recruit and retain people?”
From what I see, the younger generation (under 30) simply do not care about homosexuality. We can lament this fact, but these are the kids we raised.
Call your Republican Senators and demand that they end the lame-duck IN TOTO.
Filibsuter the whole she-bang.
I’m one of those under 30s. I’m mad as hell that the lame ducks are shoving this up our ass.
Because we are to be fighting for them here, while they fight for us.
sad but true, how did it come to this?
Oh, goody! Now we’ll get to watch Olympia at another press conference, doing her Katharine Hepburn impression.
“Bath Iron Works.”
No wonder Olympia is confused about DADT.
“Dont these Asshats realize that if they repeal DADT, the military is going to struggle to recruit and retain people?”
Oh, they will still be able to recruit and retain the “numbers” stated as required. The problem is the quality of recruitment and those retained will be low and continue to sink with time.
Personnally I don’t want a bunch of “angry at the world” homosexuals to be armed troops. That won’t be an army, it will be an armed rable.
There was a time when police were highly respected members of the community. Today, even the law abiding don’t hold the peace officer community in the high regard it used to.
I am concerned that someday the public’s opinion of the military will change back to the negative it held during the Vietnam era...except this time it may be deserved.
Sickening. Is this crap really going to pass?
Published in another post is 40 something goals of the Communists read into the Congressional Record in 1963--most have already come about through the subversive infiltration of Communist card holders and fellow travelers.
McCarthy may have been an alcoholic loud-mouth, but he saw the truth and called it. I wish some Senator McConnell and a few others could grow a spine and accoutrements that Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin have.
This is truly sickening. Anyone who knows history, let alone the Bible, sees where this is all leading. Final nail in the coffin comes to mind.
THE REAL PENTAGON POLL: 91% OF SERVICE MEMBERS REJECT HOMOSEXUAL LEADERS - 1 IN 4 WOULD QUIT
MILITARY: Marines lead opposition to repeal of dont ask, dont tell
Mullen: Troops Who Balk at Change in Gay Service Policy Can Find Other Work
“Army, Marine chiefs cast doubt on gay service”
Dont Repeal Dont Ask/Dont Tell
~Dont sacrifice unit cohesion for a social experiment.~
..Both issueswomen in combat and gays in the militaryare different manifestations of a single problem: the failure of Americas political leadership to understand the factors that motivate men to fight in battle and to continue fighting under the most horrific conditionswhat professionals call combat effectiveness and unit cohesion respectively. In all the discussions of the issue, these terms seldom come up; when they do, it is only to be dismissed out of hand by those who wish to see all military positions opened to both women and homosexuals.
Those who have never served in combat have no idea what it is like...
Of course they realize this. They are self-loathing anti-American fools. Of course they do.
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