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California to adopt 'cap and trade' to combat climate change (Air Resources Board to vote)
Mercury News ^ | 12/15/10 | Dana Hull

Posted on 12/15/2010 6:58:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge

Taking the lead where Washington has wavered, California on Thursday is expected to adopt the nation's most ambitious plan yet to curb global warming.

The California Air Resources Board is all but certain to vote to approve comprehensive "cap and trade" regulations designed to cut greenhouse gases. The regulations would impose limits, or "caps," on emissions from large industrial polluters through permits, or allowances, that could be traded on a market.

California's plans to forge ahead are in sharp contrast to the lack of action from Washington, where Congress has rejected cap and trade at the national level. While the state's plans have drawn criticism from affected industries, the cap-and-trade program is expected to be a boon for Silicon Valley's burgeoning cleantech economy.

"We are the innovators when it comes to figuring out how to reduce carbon," said Bob Hines, energy director of the Silicon Valley Leadership Group. "We're really excited. It sends the market signal we've all been waiting for, and it's going to lead to further job creation."

Kate Gordon, vice president of Energy Policy for the Center for American Progress, a progressive think tank called the regulations "a game-changer. We have an existing infrastructure for fossil fuels, and this levels the playing field for cleantech."

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Under the new system, which goes into effect Jan. 1, 2012, California would distribute annual allowances to such industrial entities as power plants, oil refineries and cement and glass factories that emit large volumes of greenhouse gases. In 2015, the program would extend to distributors of transportation fuels.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab32; california; capandtrade; carb; climatechange; combat
Who voted to elect them to vote this state out of existence?
1 posted on 12/15/2010 6:58:18 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Insanity.


2 posted on 12/15/2010 6:59:36 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: NormsRevenge

A tax is a tax is a tax


3 posted on 12/15/2010 7:02:35 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: NormsRevenge

grant jeffrey last week did a show on global warming.

he said 32,000 climate professionals are

against

global warming.

of these, 9,000 have ph.d’s.


4 posted on 12/15/2010 7:04:13 PM PST by ken21 (who runs the gop?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Are these people on DRUGS????


5 posted on 12/15/2010 7:04:31 PM PST by goodnesswins (You deciding how to spend your health care $, that’s freedom. Govt deciding, thats a death panel)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, this ought to really get the California economy cranking.

Unfortunately, all the money will be going to U-Haul, real estate agents, and relocation companies.


6 posted on 12/15/2010 7:04:53 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Ah, wandering aimlessly with no apparent sense of direction.

We still have room, but between the yankees and the wetbacks, it’s going fast!


7 posted on 12/15/2010 7:05:04 PM PST by SouthTexas (WE are the Wave)
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To: NormsRevenge

Remember to stop all air molecules at the border!


8 posted on 12/15/2010 7:06:32 PM PST by relictele
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To: NormsRevenge

Having the industries go to China, India, or Texas will not reduce carbon use.


9 posted on 12/15/2010 7:11:37 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: NormsRevenge

When we tank, I hope we can reorganize into three states.
Southern California starting at the Orange County border;
Central California including LA,SF, and Sacramento; and
finally Northern California starting 25 miles north of
Sacramento.


10 posted on 12/15/2010 7:12:17 PM PST by Cyber Ninja (Live and Let Live; is not working...)
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To: NormsRevenge

That’s what i would like to know.


11 posted on 12/15/2010 7:13:01 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, Chris Christie supports this in New Jersey, so it can’t be a BAD thing, can it ?


12 posted on 12/15/2010 7:13:36 PM PST by onona (dbada)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Who voted to elect them to vote this state out of existence?"

From where do they derive their 'authority' to impose and collect taxes?

13 posted on 12/15/2010 7:13:52 PM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: NormsRevenge
I'd bet they're infringing on my patent.

It's California; that means I should sue!

14 posted on 12/15/2010 7:20:15 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Just what Cali needs. MORE government spending.


15 posted on 12/15/2010 7:24:24 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: upchuck

They forgot, it’s “Crap and tax”.


16 posted on 12/15/2010 7:28:15 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: NormsRevenge

I’d like to thank the taxpayers of California for being so “concerned” about Algore’s bank account balance.


17 posted on 12/15/2010 7:29:41 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all of my FReeper FRiends!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Now I know, with out a doubt, that these rats are trying to destroy this once great nation. People and business are packing up and leaving and they want to destroy what is left.


18 posted on 12/15/2010 7:31:54 PM PST by luv2ndamend (They call themselves greens because they're too yellow to admit they're reds.)
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To: Cyber Ninja

Is there any way we can just get Mexico to take California back?


19 posted on 12/15/2010 7:34:28 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2
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To: SouthTexas

“Ah, wandering aimlessly with no apparent sense of direction.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VjsomPd3ms


20 posted on 12/15/2010 7:35:20 PM PST by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Obviously, they haven’t chased enough business out of the state. In the end, all that will be left will be Hollywood, elites living on the coast, and a vast population of poor illegals.


21 posted on 12/15/2010 7:38:18 PM PST by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: preacher

I love that one.


22 posted on 12/15/2010 7:39:05 PM PST by SouthTexas (WE are the Wave)
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To: NormsRevenge
The people that will not resist are their constituents who are tone deaf.
Taxing their own choir. Suck it up CA and pay the exhale FEES.
23 posted on 12/15/2010 7:39:40 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: rbg81

Haitifornia?


24 posted on 12/15/2010 7:41:20 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: NormsRevenge

And yet we here in CA had the opportunity to half-a$$ repeal this crap and tax bill just this past November and it failed. I have lived here most of my life and love the area. I’ve also posted in the past in defending CA and not wanting to leave like others have when the going got tough. This bill and the fact that CA Dems gained in CA in November leaves me and the family no other choice. CA is lost.


25 posted on 12/15/2010 7:41:52 PM PST by repubpub ("No poor man ever gave me a job, but plenty of rich guys have. " unknown)
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To: NormsRevenge

What did anyone expect from hard core corrupt leaders in this sick State?


26 posted on 12/15/2010 7:42:49 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Windflier

“Well, this ought to really get the California economy cranking.

Unfortunately, all the money will be going to U-Haul, real estate agents, and relocation companies.”

Well, when you are on the government teat, you are insulated from all of the “dirty business” of commerce and industry, I suppose.

Actually, I’m entirely in favor of this. Send those companies where they are welcome, like...here! No liberals or (other types of) kooks, please.


27 posted on 12/15/2010 7:58:31 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: isthisnickcool

It seems to me it is extortion. The state does not collect a tax, but mandates that fees be paid to third parties. The scramble for this money will be obscene.


28 posted on 12/15/2010 8:07:53 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: The Antiyuppie
Actually, I’m entirely in favor of this. Send those companies where they are welcome, like...here! No liberals or (other types of) kooks, please.

Not to worry. The current exodus out of California is packed with fed-up conservatives and tax paying business people. They're the ones who are being forced out. The Gimme Class will stay put until the well runs dry.

I'm one of those tax paying business people who was run off. I left Cali for Texas five years ago, and never looked back. Broke my heart, too, because it's my home state.

I hope that some day, the good people of that state can somehow turn it around. I'd still like to own a piece of ground there in my old age.

29 posted on 12/15/2010 8:08:45 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sadly, the people will have to sue to protect their competitive interests. This will, of course, make California manufactured goods less competitive than goods made in other states. I wonder if it can be halted on the commerce clause, that the state is stepping on bounds reserved for Congress. It would be one time the commerce clause should be put to use. Also I wonder if the state is creating a currency, and also providing unequal protections. If you are in business now you get credits to trade and seek but if you decide to start a business later, you have to buy credits from others to open your doors. That is an unfair advantage and anti competitive. I wonder how many ways this can be attacked. It needs to be stopped.


30 posted on 12/15/2010 8:14:11 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Is there any way we can just get Mexico to take California back?

And what are you going to say to all of the dead Americans who are buried there, who gave their last full measure for California, and for the Union?

Sorry, "it ain't worth fighting for" just doesn't cut it.

How 'bout we say this instead?



31 posted on 12/15/2010 8:15:10 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: goodnesswins

“Are these people on DRUGS????”

Nope.. just pure communism is all they’re on. Why don’t they just skip all the crap and force us at gunpoint to fork over our money?


32 posted on 12/15/2010 8:22:08 PM PST by Kratos
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To: Cyber Ninja

I agree “split the gold into three pots.” But first we need to.....

“Abolish the CA Air Resources Board”


33 posted on 12/15/2010 8:27:40 PM PST by hapnHal (hapnHal)
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To: Carry_Okie

Very prescient of you to write that patent. Normally I oppose business process patents that automate existing business methods, but if you will put yours up to stop AQMD then I can support that much.


34 posted on 12/15/2010 8:28:04 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: meyer; Normandy; Whenifhow; TenthAmendmentChampion; Clive; scripter; Darnright; WL-law; bamahead; ..

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

35 posted on 12/15/2010 8:32:59 PM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: monkeyshine
Normally I oppose business process patents that automate existing business methods, but if you will put yours up to stop AQMD then I can support that much.

I wrote it while writing my first book because I feared that somebody else would do it. I felt that monopoly power to control markets in the use of environmental assets is simply too much power, particularly in the hands of the government. I wanted to see a competitive system develop. Monopoly price fixing is a monstrously corrupting process. The provisional application was 18 months in front of Bartels' Fannie Mae application.

Frankly, I do not have the time or money to pursue an infringement action against anyone right now. Nor am I interested in extorting anybody for a license fee while they go on to raid the public. I put up these posts in a sense because I want to see some good come of it. The thing cost me three grand in legal fees that came to nothing over a period of eight years. I went pro se, wrote the claim, and had the allowance in months.

Anyway, that's the story.

36 posted on 12/15/2010 8:38:55 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Kratos

Yeah...this will probably be the final nail in California’s coffin.


37 posted on 12/15/2010 8:41:16 PM PST by Josa
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To: Windflier
Well, this ought to really get the California economy cranking.

Right. U-Haul will make a killing on truck rentals and moving boxes.

38 posted on 12/15/2010 9:12:18 PM PST by giotto
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To: NormsRevenge
...the cap-and-trade program is expected to be a boon for Silicon Valley's burgeoning cleantech economy.

Lazy "journalists" regurgitating bald-faced lies. What happened to critical thinking?

39 posted on 12/15/2010 9:15:28 PM PST by calcowgirl (“Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat’s dream. If you control carbon, you control life” —Lindzen)
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To: NormsRevenge

Heavy-handed, draconian government regulations are put in place to destroy industry and Bob Hines says this is “the market signal we’ve all been waiting for.” Liberals are insane when they confuse regulatory authority with “the market.” There is no other word for Bob than “stupid.”


40 posted on 12/15/2010 10:24:39 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: NormsRevenge

California has no industry to speak of ro pay any carbon tax. They will be trying to collect from fast food stands.


41 posted on 12/15/2010 10:52:08 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Party is shovel ready)
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To: NormsRevenge

Think of all the Carbon you will save in Illegal aliens leave the state.


42 posted on 12/15/2010 10:57:50 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Party is shovel ready)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Is there any way we can just get Mexico to take California back?

That process is well under way.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/255320/two-californias-victor-davis-hanson

43 posted on 12/15/2010 11:38:22 PM PST by TChad
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To: NormsRevenge

Voters in California are majority multi-cultural foreigners now. They don’t have a clue why unemployment is getting worse and worse. They know one thing and that one thing wrecked the places they fled from: Socialism/Marxism is good for the “little people.”


44 posted on 12/16/2010 4:48:52 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Josa

We just elected Jerry Lobotomy Brown as Governor. I guarantee you that many more such nails are soon to be driven into the coffin. We haven’t begun to see the damage that a Brown administration coupled with a 100% socialist Democrat control legislature will do to California. This is only the beginning. They are going to slaughter this state. As horrific as California has become, you won’t recognize it in 20 years. We’ll be Italy or Greece or something.

Very sad. With every ounce of venom I can muster, I hate the liberal voters who elected the communists doing this to the State of California. And still northeaster liberals continue to flood California and vote for far left people and laws.

I hate their guts as deeply as any human can hate others.


45 posted on 12/18/2010 1:04:38 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (TSA apologists deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. END the TSA.)
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