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So, Why Is Incest Wrong?
Albert Mohler blog ^ | Wednesday, December 15, 2010 | Dr. Albert Mohler

Posted on 12/15/2010 9:18:21 PM PST by This Just In

So, Why Is Incest Wrong?

Wednesday, December 15, 2010

There are certain questions now pressed upon us that previous generations would never believe could be asked. One of these is thrust upon us by events in New York City, where a well-known Ivy League professor has been arrested for the crime of incest. What makes the question urgent is not so much the arrest, but the controversy surrounding it.

David Epstein is a professor of political science at Columbia University, where his wife also teaches. He previously taught on the faculties of Harvard and Stanford. Last week, he was arraigned before a judge in Manhattan, charged with a single count of felony incest. According to authorities, Professor Epstein was for several years involved in a sexual relationship with his adult daughter, now age 24.

Though the story was ignored by much of the mainstream media, it quickly found its way into the cultural conversation. William Saletan of Slate.com, who remains one of today’s most relevant writers working on the issues of bioethics and human nature, jumped on the story with a very interesting essay that openly asked the question many others were more quietly asking: “If homosexuality is OK, why is incest wrong?” Related Posts

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FROM THE ARTICLE:

"The conservative view is that all sexual deviance—homosexuality, polyamory, adultery, bestiality, incest—violates the natural order. Families depend on moral structure: Mom, Dad, kids. When you confound that structure—when Dad sleeps with a man, Dad sleeps with another woman, or Mom sleeps with Grandpa—the family falls apart. Kids need clear roles and relationships. Without this, they get disoriented. Mess with the family, and you mess up the kids.

That’s a pretty fair summary. Of course, the Christian argument goes much deeper than the merely conservative argument, affirming the fact that, with exacting precision, God has spoken to the sinfulness of such behaviors — specifically condemning both homosexuality and incest. In other words, Christians move the question from mere wrongfulness to sinfulness and place all issues of sin within the biblical account of sin and redemption."

Thank you to Dr. Mohler for concisely addressing this issue. Sadly, America will be forced to confront this abhorrent and debauched behavior more in the coming weeks, months, years as this becomes common in mainstream society.

May the Lord have mercy on us.

1 posted on 12/15/2010 9:18:25 PM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In

May G_d have mercy on our souls. I can not believe that tis is even debatable.


2 posted on 12/15/2010 9:21:19 PM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: NYer; rush; wagglebee; narses

ping


3 posted on 12/15/2010 9:21:38 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray. For all the latest, check out: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/)
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To: This Just In

We all have choices...we can be men, or we can be creatures of the field...


4 posted on 12/15/2010 9:22:14 PM PST by himno hero
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To: This Just In
Went to the source, did not read, came back here>

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. CASTRATION IS THE CURE.

5 posted on 12/15/2010 9:23:42 PM PST by skeptoid (The road to serfdom is being paved by RINOs, and Lisa Murkowski is their mascot.)
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To: This Just In

If you have to ask, you probably will not understand the explanation.


6 posted on 12/15/2010 9:25:40 PM PST by stboz
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To: himno hero

I would say choldren of God, or beasts.


7 posted on 12/15/2010 9:25:58 PM PST by skeptoid (The road to serfdom is being paved by RINOs, and Lisa Murkowski is their mascot.)
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To: himno hero

I would say choldren of God, or beasts.


8 posted on 12/15/2010 9:26:05 PM PST by skeptoid (The road to serfdom is being paved by RINOs, and Lisa Murkowski is their mascot.)
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To: This Just In

I didn’t see anywhere in the article about
the risk of inbred mutations. Other than
the obvious deviancy of incest, isn’t genetic
mutation the reason God forbids it?


9 posted on 12/15/2010 9:27:20 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: This Just In

I just threw up a little in my mouth...


10 posted on 12/15/2010 9:28:10 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: skeptoid

skeptoid,

You should read the article. The problem is far more serious than simply castrating the guilty as a means of punishment. Each and every American should not only be disturbed by this, but outraged that America has arrived at such a place in history in which this abhorrent behavior threatens to “go mainstream”.


11 posted on 12/15/2010 9:29:52 PM PST by This Just In (In America, RINO's belong in zoo's, not public office)
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To: This Just In
If lines aren't drawn and enforced you soon reach a point where nothing is taboo.

This appeals to the progressives because it will eventually weaken our society to the point where they can impose their totalitarian goals

We are trading true freedom for government license of hedonistic gratification..

12 posted on 12/15/2010 9:30:22 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: This Just In
It wasn't the incest that I found remarkable. It was the liberal laissez faire attitude towards it. Such an attitude is the Fourth Deadly Sin.

This link comments on it:
http://www.thequietconservative.com/12132010.html

Basically it says that it is the moral state of not caring about right and wrong. It is the goal of liberalism and it seems to have quite a few sign on. That includes ‘fiscal conservatives’ that try and stamp out social conservatives, as if you could separate the two. However, the author here gets the conservative view nicely.

13 posted on 12/15/2010 9:31:13 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: This Just In

It’s like kissing your sister, yuck.


14 posted on 12/15/2010 9:31:46 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: himno hero

I’m no animal expert, but I wonder how common incest is (if you can call it that) in animals?


15 posted on 12/15/2010 9:32:31 PM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Jo Nuvark,

Christ doesn’t just forbid the abhorrent action of incest because it is an act contrary to nature. The Lord describes this, as stated in the article, as sin.

This act is contrary to nature, which is created by the Lord. The practical as well as spiritual ramifications are far more devastating than people can imagine.

I knew a family personally for years when I discover that the father had been raping his daughter. She bore his child. The baby was born with a number of health problems, and died at 2 yrs. old(?).

The genetic mutation is certainly one of the consequences of incestuous relationships, but there are also spiritual consequences as well.


16 posted on 12/15/2010 9:36:43 PM PST by This Just In (In America, RINO's belong in zoo's, not public office)
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To: This Just In

Seems to me when the people involved are consenting adults it remains wrong but I’m not sure putting anyone in jail is the answer.

The real problem is the left absolutely is multiplying these behaviors, while lying that it is not.


17 posted on 12/15/2010 9:38:14 PM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid.)
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To: 21twelve

I forgot to complete the thought. I don’t seem to hear about it in the wild. Did a search, and DUH! The cubs, young, etc. are kicked out to find their OWN territory (thus helping to avoid the promblems of in-breeding).

Of course there was an article about juvenile monkeys “doing it” with siblings. Probably just experimentation. Just like the family at school growing up where the two boys bragged about “doing it” with their big sister (and not just big, but huge). The entire family was ugly as sin, so it seemed believable at the time. Still does. (Yuck!!)


18 posted on 12/15/2010 9:38:27 PM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: 21twelve

No, you can’t call it that.

You can’t compare animals to humans. We were created in the image of the Lord. Animals are not. We are human. Animals are not (I know, I’m stating the obvious here).


19 posted on 12/15/2010 9:39:19 PM PST by This Just In (In America, RINO's belong in zoo's, not public office)
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To: IrishCatholic; 21twelve; Williams

Read this document carefully, and note the goals which coinside with our topic of discussion:

Communist Goals (1963)

Documention below

Congressional Record—Appendix, pp. A34-A35

January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen:

[From “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture—education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [”]united force[”] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.


20 posted on 12/15/2010 9:42:59 PM PST by This Just In (In America, RINO's belong in zoo's, not public office)
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To: This Just In

Normal parents aren’t sexually attracted to their offspring. Must be a trait we have built in.


21 posted on 12/15/2010 9:43:41 PM PST by umgud
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Excellent and astute post, SWAMPSNIPER.

Read post #20.


22 posted on 12/15/2010 9:44:19 PM PST by This Just In (In America, RINO's belong in zoo's, not public office)
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To: This Just In
So, Why Is Incest Wrong?

Because there just aren't enough banjos to go around.

23 posted on 12/15/2010 9:48:33 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!)
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To: This Just In
I just find it patently amusing that a Columbia Professor (you know, one of the very types who look down upon folks from flyover country as inbred, uneducated, hicks) got busted for inbreeding...

Who's growing toothless banjo pickers now?

24 posted on 12/15/2010 9:49:52 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

GMTA, FRiend.


25 posted on 12/15/2010 9:50:47 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: himno hero

it is true we can choose to be creatures in the field, however, when someone makes such a choice, they utterly fail at the creature level. Humans make horrible creatures. . .because we were not created to be mere creatures governed by instinct. We were given a free will and a role to share in the governing of our instinctual self through self-discipline. The central instrument of that discipline was the Word of God, i.e. the moral law. Through faith in that Word, the divine self would rule over the carnal. . .but there I go. . Let’s turn our Bibles to Genesis. . .


26 posted on 12/15/2010 9:53:52 PM PST by McBuff
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To: This Just In
I certainly hope that "incest" isn't at the stage that homosexuality was in the 70's.

The progression of discourse tends to be:

1) No one even thinks to talk about X.
2) X is mentioned, but only derisively and in passing.
3) People go on for hours about how horrible X is.
4) Someone actually stands up for X, but is generally castigated.
5) People come up with increasingly sophisticated arguments about why X is horrible.
6) A minority of people come up with increasingly sophisticated arguments for why X should at least be tolerated, but they are generally dissed.
7) A minority of people come up with arguments why X is actually a good thing, or how some people have to do it.
8) A majority of people believe that X is horrible, but it can be tolerated so long as no one talks about it.
9) A majority of people believe if someone wants to do X, then it is OK by them.
10) More and more people start taking a stab at X just to see.

With incest we are somewhere around step 4. Right now it seems as if we are winning this cultural battle, but we are just at step 4 on our inevitable decay toward step 10, which is where I currently believe we are at with regard to homosexuality and its associated practices.

If there is no generally agreed upon downside from a purely materialistic point of view, then mentioning X ultimately leads to tolerating, and even encouraging, X for those who wish to engage in it. If all you have to do is abort any physically defective children that result form incestuous unions, then over time society will agree that it should be tolerated so long as all parties are consenting.

27 posted on 12/15/2010 9:55:09 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: 21twelve

Dunno. I would suspect nature frowns on it, just like homosexuality.

Only two legged pigs could think up something like that!


28 posted on 12/15/2010 9:57:14 PM PST by himno hero
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To: This Just In

“26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.””

Looks like the commies have acheived this goal. Now show this list to your liberal friends and watch them give you the deer in the headlights look.


29 posted on 12/15/2010 9:58:18 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: 21twelve
As far as we know there might be a lot more unintended incest going on than we can imagine.

What with all the unwed mothers who can't be certain who the father(s) of any of their children are.

There are places in American that can be accurately described as being 'in the wild.'

30 posted on 12/15/2010 10:02:14 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: This Just In
It's been posted on FR many times...but it's mislabeled. It isn't the Communist Goals from 1963, it's the Democratic platform from 2008 and will be again in 2012.

It's why my tag line never changes.

31 posted on 12/15/2010 10:03:09 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Interesting concept. I imagine it will take some time for the various children of different mothers to “get together” to see how it affects things/neighborhoods/certain populations. I suppose that helps though - having different mothers.


32 posted on 12/15/2010 10:05:49 PM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: This Just In

Yes, completely agree that incest is a sin
and causes the breakdown of the family as
well as the general decline of civilization.

Liberals are deviant self centered, self
righteous predators on ALL levels.

“Deliverance” comes to mind. A movie I would
not see for obvious reasons.


33 posted on 12/15/2010 10:07:02 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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There is a war on between Good and Evil, and it is heating up. There are many reasons why homosexual acts are wrong that can be enumerated, if the person you're talking to is not religious and doesn't believe in moral absolutes. The "taboo" against incest (aside from scriptural condemnation) is "well, recessive genetic traits can manifest that are harmful". That is an extremely weak argument because if someone is going to commit incest, they would likely have no problem with abortion. Or not everyone is fertile, or two blood relatives of the same sex could commit incest, etc.

So, why is incest wrong?

Because every monotheist religion (and Buddhism as well) teaches that sex is for marriage. Beginning, middle and end of it. Marriage and children. Once a culture decides that sex is perfectly fine before marriage, outside of marriage, without marriage; then between two people of the same sex, then orgies and group grope, and then of course you have to add contraception and abortion - then you have the perfect recipe for destruction of human civilization.

Human civilization is based on intact families. Sex is a powerful urge that all healthy human beings experience. It is like fire. Fire can cook your meal, heat your house, forge your metal. It can also kill, burn and injure, destroy forests and houses, and entire cities. It's all in how it is used. What do we teach children about fire? "Don't touch!" "Be careful! Don't play with matches!" Only when the child is mature enough to be aware of the danger potential of fire can they be trusted with matches or the gas stove.

The fire of sex desire is even more destructive than the flames of fire that burn wood and fuel.

We now are seeing the results of "free sex" - one thing leads to another, since all rules are now evil - here on FR people who stand up for traditional - aka "real" - morality are called prudes, Taliban, wanting to pin red "A"s on people, closet homosexuals, etc. Intense vitriol here on FR is thrown at people standing up for moral absolutes. Just the other day a porn supporter (now thankfully banned) said something like "so what if there are victims from the porn industry. That's the price we pay for freedom."

Here's what Edmund Burke says about freedom:

"Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites--in proportion as their love of justice is above their rapacity;--in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption;--in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon the will and appetite is placed somewhere: and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters."

-- Edmund Burke

If the authority of God is thrown away, civilization is doomed. This is the war we're in.

34 posted on 12/15/2010 10:11:53 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Sadly, you are right. There is at least one post on this thread which illustrates your point in terms of individuals tolerating such abhorrent behavior.

I just read an article the other day concerning a possible course at the University of Hawaii (a.k.a. Commie College).

The course: Pedophilia as therapy

The fact that this “course” would even be considered speaks volumes of how far America has descended in depravity.


35 posted on 12/15/2010 10:13:25 PM PST by This Just In (In America, RINO's belong in zoo's, not public office)
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To: This Just In

God said it is sin, and it just so happens that the chance of mutations manifesting is minimized by not mating with relatives.


36 posted on 12/15/2010 10:15:34 PM PST by ROTB (Sans Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia when we finally revolt.)
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To: This Just In
Is anything “wrong”?

If homosexuality is OK, is there anywhere we cannot extrapolate?

If homosexuality is OK, why cannot incest with a consenting adult be OK? Then why set the age of consent arbitrarily at 21, or 18, or 16, or 13 or 5. Who is to say? Why bother with ages of consent? And what's so special about consent?

If incest is OK with another person of any age, why not sex in general with any person of any age, independent of genetic relationship? And why not polygamy, if group sex and swinging is OK? Why limit it to persons? Why distinguish between humans and any other species? Why not sex with any other species? Why not drop the entire prejudicial “species” and taxonomy thing?

Why define relationships or roles within relationships at all? Why define marriage or family at all? If 19 people, some genetically related, some not, of various ages and genders, some living together but some not, some intimate together, but some not, some having pets or barnyards full of various animals of many species, genders, ages and genetic relatedness that some or all of them are intimate with or not, and the various animals intimate with each other of not - why cannot this entire collection of life forms get a common P.O. Box or something, and be allowed by society to declare themselves a “marriage,” or a “family,” and then be allowed to produce or adopt children or adults or animals, declaring them as dependents for tax purposes, and enrolling the entire system in the best health-care plan available through the employer of any one of them?

Or why not just scrap the whole tax and health-care shtick and not define themselves at all, in any way? No labels. No men or women; no child or adult; no relatives or non-relatives; no human and animal. No marriage. No family. No responsibilities. No society.

37 posted on 12/15/2010 10:16:38 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: This Just In; little jeremiah
Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

It's a shame that this item of the Communist Goals is often swept under the rug by libertarians claiming to be fiscal Conservatives.

In my opinion, the pornographers and smut peddlers (Larry Flynt and his ilk) are not any better than the homosexual apologists. I personally don't think it's possible to be a Conservative without adherence to the immutable, eternal Laws of God.

38 posted on 12/15/2010 10:22:17 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Because there just aren't enough banjos to go around.



39 posted on 12/15/2010 10:27:47 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: This Just In
“If homosexuality is OK, why is incest wrong?” Of course, that is where all this social liberalization has led too, gee, if it is ok to be a sodomite its ok to have an incestuous relationship. Soon it will be condoning paedophile molestation and bestiality sex as normal. This world is ripe for Gods cleansing. "Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left." -- Isaiah 24:6
40 posted on 12/15/2010 10:30:49 PM PST by Eddie Quist
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To: re_nortex

“It’s a shame that this item of the Communist Goals is often swept under the rug by libertarians claiming to be fiscal Conservatives.”

“I personally don’t think it’s possible to be a Conservative without adherence to the immutable, eternal Laws of God.”

This is one of the major flaws in Atheist and Agnostic Libertarians, and why their form of government doesn’t work. I have had several discussions with these individuals who wish to completely deny our Christian history while trying to support a Libertarian form of government.

Our Founding Fathers Christian faith were foundational in the forming of this Republic. Our very Constitution is BASED and designed on Christian principles. You can’t take the engine out of the car and expect it to operate as it was originally designed to.

This fact coupled with the anti-Christ ideology (Socialism/Communism) is why the face of America has changed in such a dramatic fashion.


41 posted on 12/15/2010 10:32:19 PM PST by This Just In (In America, RINO's belong in zoo's, not public office)
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To: 21twelve
I’m no animal expert, but I wonder how common incest is (if you can call it that) in animals?

Maybe the "homosexual" penguins the left idolized and championed as human sexual activity role models were penguin relatives?

42 posted on 12/15/2010 10:35:01 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: This Just In
So,why is incest wrong? IF you don`t mind drooling, six fingered, banjo playing retreads, then it isn`t. As for me, I`ll pass on that sicko liberal crap.
43 posted on 12/15/2010 10:35:03 PM PST by nomad
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To: This Just In

Mai I suggest forgoing, for the moment, theological, sociological, ethical and other arguments against incest and instead concentrate on the serious, irrefutable, and unavoidable argument against incest.

As proof, I offer the Saudi Royal family - where first cousin marriage has been practiced for many generations. First cousin marriage is common in the rest of the Arab world.

The Saudi Royal Family physician published an article on the genetic diseases of that family, resultant from many generations of first cousin marriages.. Arabs don’t just have an inferiority complex - they are inferior.

Inbreeding did that to them.

Incest is a taboo for genetic reasons! The rest are justifications for the enforcement of the taboo.


44 posted on 12/15/2010 11:06:54 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: 21twelve

Dogs and cats don’t care, but inbreeding is the price.


45 posted on 12/15/2010 11:25:44 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: umgud

Behaviors are learned....the culture provides “right and wrong”. The US has had the Christian paradigm which determined the type of laws and culture we have had for several hundred years. Most of Europe was run by it also up until the 1900’s when the post modern German philosophy started destroying Christianity.

Since the Progressives...they have been destroying the Christian paradigm here....they want the Greek pagan paradigm where there were orgies, incest, pederasty, slaves, etc. A few elites ruled everyone.

The pedophiles (people who want no sexual morality—no Biblical truth) want access to your children. That is stated in their homosexual manifesto. They were perverted while children and desire that “feeling” of excitement by perverting and molesting the young...fixated is what Freud would call it...and they want child/man sex to be legal.

Homosexuality legal and “good”, then incest and polygamy, then bestiality and pederasty like in Asia and Middle East and Africa—in all the non-Christian places, pederasty is rampant because there is no sexual morality.


46 posted on 12/15/2010 11:51:22 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: This Just In

The scientific answer is a very high probability of
a defective offspring due to recessive lethal or
defective genes. Unrelated individuals are much
less likely to bring two identical defective genes
to offspring. There will usually be one good copy
that is also dominant over the bad version. The
religious and societal taboo is a social construct
that memorializes the prohibition so the errant
pairing is avoided.


47 posted on 12/15/2010 11:55:23 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: This Just In

The scientific answer is a very high probability of
a defective offspring due to recessive lethal or
defective genes. Unrelated individuals are much
less likely to bring two identical defective genes
to offspring. There will usually be one good copy
that is also dominant over the bad version. The
religious and societal taboo is a social construct
that memorializes the prohibition so the errant
pairing is avoided.


48 posted on 12/15/2010 11:55:32 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: This Just In

The scientific answer is a very high probability of
a defective offspring due to recessive lethal or
defective genes. Unrelated individuals are much
less likely to bring two identical defective genes
to offspring. There will usually be one good copy
that is also dominant over the bad version. The
religious and societal taboo is a social construct
that memorializes the prohibition so the errant
pairing is avoided.


49 posted on 12/15/2010 11:55:52 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Android phone. Verizon 3g not working well tonight.


50 posted on 12/15/2010 11:57:33 PM PST by Myrddin
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