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Irish abortion laws breach human rights, court rules (European court overrules Irish Constitution)
Irish Times ^ | 12/16/10 | Carl O'Brien

Posted on 12/16/2010 4:02:21 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that Ireland has failed to properly implement the constitutional right to abortion where a woman is entitled to one where her life is at risk.

(Excerpt) Read more at irishtimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; worldgovernment
from the AP: Ireland's constitutional ban on abortion violates the rights of pregnant women to receive proper medical care in life-threatening cases, the European Court of Human Rights ruled Thursday in a judgment that harshly criticized Ireland's long inaction on the issue.
1 posted on 12/16/2010 4:02:27 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Europe is killing itself in advance of the Muslim invasion.


2 posted on 12/16/2010 4:05:23 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Coming to a country near you.


3 posted on 12/16/2010 4:05:45 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: SoFloFreeper
Translation, If you want our bailout money it comes with strings and those strings will facilitate the destruction of your culture for the betterment of the collective.
4 posted on 12/16/2010 4:09:32 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: FatherofFive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmOH5f1J1Uc


5 posted on 12/16/2010 4:10:54 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: wagglebee

ping


6 posted on 12/16/2010 4:16:50 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: SoFloFreeper

European court overrules Irish Constitution

"Cool!"


7 posted on 12/16/2010 4:17:12 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: broken_arrow1

This will kick up a real sh*tstorm. Irish politicians repeatedly promised their electorate that this wouldn´t happen ahead of last year´s referendum. And now - oops - it happened.


8 posted on 12/16/2010 4:19:31 AM PST by globelamp
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To: globelamp

Also, this comes right after the EU has humiliated Ireland by forcing them to take a bailout package, even trying to dictate their election cycle(!). Like I said, expect a storm of feces...


9 posted on 12/16/2010 4:34:53 AM PST by globelamp
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To: globelamp

I’m not sure that the position the ‘court’ takes is not a majority in Ireland. I think the laws protecting life there are soon going to be on the chopping block anyway, if public opinion has its way. I don’t personally think the voting public in Ireland is especially pro life. But hopefully that’s wrong.


10 posted on 12/16/2010 4:36:42 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: SoFloFreeper

Probably preaching to the choir here, but nevertheless, it cant be said enough times.

Anybody that supports abortion in any way shape or form,does not have The Spirit of Christ within them.

They can go to Church and wave their arms in the air, whatever, but it`s all in vane if that is where their heart is.


11 posted on 12/16/2010 4:37:50 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH 2012 OR BUST)
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To: SoFloFreeper
If you're so hellbent on killing your own child, why can't you spend $40 to take a ferry to Wales?

Surely that's less of a hassle than changing the Irish Constitution?

12 posted on 12/16/2010 4:42:22 AM PST by wideawake
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To: SoFloFreeper

The Socialist European Union is in dire need of being broken up and restored to individual Constitutional Republics. The Irish know what’s best for the Irish; not some collection of elitist European pseudo-Monarchs whose only goal is redistribution of wealth to keep themselves in power.
Ireland should sever ties with the EU. Exactly how many years did they seek home-rule before England let them have it? Now they’ve traded their self governance for rule by a bunch of socialists.


13 posted on 12/16/2010 4:43:13 AM PST by BuffaloJack (The Recession is officially over. We are now into Obama's Depression.)
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To: ConservativeDude

Could be. But Ireland was running at a whooping 4% atheist in 2005, while 73 percent of the population considered “Protecting the dignity of any human unborn life” to be “Very important”, a number far higher than the EU average.

Note that this is according the polling of the EU itself, I.e. Eurobarometer 225:

http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_225_report_en.pdf

Add to this that even secularists and pro-abortion people in Ireland will feel that this is yet another case of the EU trampling the sovereignty of Ireland (The third or fourth such instance in a short period of time), and I think the issue will have salience.


14 posted on 12/16/2010 4:59:07 AM PST by globelamp
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To: ConservativeDude

Oh, I should add that the current Irish government is running a whooping 90 percent DISapproval rating. (Yes, really) Makes Obama look like Lincoln by comparison.

There is a whole lot of discontent with the powers that be brewing in Ireland right now.


15 posted on 12/16/2010 5:00:50 AM PST by globelamp
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To: SoFloFreeper

Everyone knew this was coming out of the E wwwww. Mandatory child sacrifice.


16 posted on 12/16/2010 5:13:49 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SoFloFreeper

Just more fodder for dissolving the E.U.

If the E.U. were interested in “Human Rights”, they would protect the baby.


17 posted on 12/16/2010 5:29:50 AM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: Tax-chick

The Catholic Church has much to atone for but so do the people of Ireland for turning their backs on faith while the Celtic Tiger roared.

There’s been a dearth of humility and rebellion in the Republic of Ireland. What a shame it would be if Gerry Adams capitalizes on this and actually succeeds in attaining office in the south.

God help the Irish!


18 posted on 12/16/2010 5:33:17 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

How in the world is protecting children from murder a violation of human rights?

The knots that those who are pro-abortion twist their brains into to try to promote abortion as something good must leave them with constant migraines. And then, because of the pain, they are unable to think...


19 posted on 12/16/2010 6:04:47 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: SoFloFreeper; ConservativeDude; globelamp; wideawake
You can't say it's wrong for 'crats and commies to practise control-freakery in healthcare in the USA, against the law and custom of the land, but then hand conservatives in Ireland to do the exact same thing.

If the Irish don't want elective abortion, then they can keep the law as it currently stands. If they don't want abortion for clinical reasons either then they should get out of the EU and change their own laws. But what the Irish government can't do is accept a form of abortion as being lawful AND STILL leave doctors in a position where they cannot consider using it. That is the sum total of what this new ruling means.

If a doctor said to a woman "you can't have an abortion" and she had a MEDICAL reason to consider having one AND she had a legal right to consider that option, then what would be your opinion on the doctor's actions? Justifiable, perhaps. But, what if it was the Federal Government that told the doctor to say it?

According to the Daily Mail, the clinicians agreed that this scenario might apply in her specific situation BUT they wouldn't authorize an abortion. Irish Law ALREADY gave her the right to make an informed decision but it didn't allow the clinicians to advise her properly. Therefore she was unable to exercise her RIGHT to make an informed decision.

The Republic of Ireland has since 1992 conceded that abortions may be lawful if AND ONLY IF both the mother's life and the life of the infant are at a verifiable and severe risk - presumably on the basis that preventing one death is better than allowing two. On that basis alone, the Irish government has no business telling doctors or patients that they are not allowed to make that call.

I am as pro-life as anyone else here, but I'd be a damned hypocrite if I said politicians should be able to throw their own laws and their own constitutional obligations to one side to the extent that they can overrule doctors on clinical decision making in individual cases. If politicians want to stand by a moral argument then they should debate it in session, and pass laws to defend it. Not pass laws one way and then break them in the other direction.

20 posted on 12/16/2010 6:04:55 AM PST by MalPearce
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To: SoFloFreeper
"In the name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,

"We, the people of Ireland, humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,

"Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation, And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations,

"Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution."

- Preamble to the Irish Constitution

21 posted on 12/16/2010 7:10:19 AM PST by Oratam
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To: MalPearce

To revise my own post - the EU also confirmed in the ruling that there is no “right” to have an abortion at all... so technically Ireland doesn’t have to even leave the EU to ban abortion altogether.

All it has to do is make its mind up. Either Irish law is against all abortions and should change the law to that effect, or it should stand by the law as it stands and let its clinicians and patients make the call.

The status quo is just stupid... clinicians told they can’t, patients told they can.


22 posted on 12/16/2010 9:10:22 AM PST by MalPearce
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To: globelamp

I hope you are right. We also recall that they never “really” voted positively for the Euro constitution.


23 posted on 12/17/2010 6:52:01 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

We´ve had “People´s democracies” (You can vote for anyone as long as they´re communists), and now another “democracy” innovation is here: “Eurodemocracy” (You can vote any way you like, but we´ll nullify your vote until you vote Correctly)...

Who said history was over?


24 posted on 12/17/2010 7:13:10 AM PST by globelamp
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