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Kosovo and the myth of liberal intervention
Guardian UK ^ | December 15, 2010 | Neil Clark

Posted on 12/16/2010 6:58:01 AM PST by Ravnagora

Far from being Tony Blair's 'good' war, the assault on Yugoslavia was as wrong as the invasion of Iraq

'The United States of America and the Kosovo Liberation Army stand for the same human values and principles ... Fighting for the KLA is fighting for human rights and American values." So declared the neocon US senator (and current foe of WikiLeaks) Joseph Lieberman back in 1999 at the height of the US-led military intervention against Slobodan Miloševic's Yugoslavia.

It would be interesting to hear what Senator Lieberman makes of the report of the Council of Europe – Europe's premier human rights watchdog – on his favourite band of freedom fighters. The report, which cites FBI and other intelligence sources, details horrific rights abuses it claims have been carried out by the KLA, the west's allies in the war against Yugoslavia 11 years ago.

The council claims that civilians – Serbian and non-KLA-supporting Kosovan Albanians detained by the KLA in the 1999 hostilities – were shot in northern Albania and their kidneys extracted and sold on the black market. It names Hashim Thaçi, the former leader of the KLA and Kosovo's prime minister, as the boss of a "mafia-like" group engaged in criminal activity – including heroin trading – since before the 1999 war. The report is a damning indictment not only of the KLA but also of western policy. And it also gives lie to the fiction that Nato's war with Yugoslavia was, in Tony Blair's words, "a battle between good and evil; between civilisation and barbarity; between democracy and dictatorship".

It was a fiction many on the liberal left bought into.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: balkans; kosovo; liberals

1 posted on 12/16/2010 6:58:05 AM PST by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora
That makes Vilhelm Klinton a WAR CRIMINAL.
2 posted on 12/16/2010 7:06:11 AM PST by Huebolt (It's not over until there is not ONE DEMOCRAT HOLDING OFFICE ANYWHERE. Not even a dog catcher!)
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To: Ravnagora

Don’t forget to give Billy Jeff Clintoon full credit for the atrocities committed in Kosovo. Fighting with the KLA to take Serb land and give it to Muslim squatters was one of the sorriest chapters in U.S. history and will come back to haunt us in the future.
Clintoon ought to be in prison.


3 posted on 12/16/2010 7:06:24 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Ravnagora
neocon US senator (and current foe of WikiLeaks) Joseph Lieberman

LOL leave it to the Guardian to think of Liberman as a 'neocon', just how far left are these guys :)
4 posted on 12/16/2010 7:10:38 AM PST by battousai (Conservatives are racist? YES, I hate stupid white liberals.)
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To: kittymyrib

Come on, nayow, you know Uncle Bubba just needed a war to make himself look tough... and deflect some attention away from his little peccadilloes.


5 posted on 12/16/2010 7:31:23 AM PST by ponygirl
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To: battousai

For the Paultards and the Code Pink types anyone who believes in defending America or the values of liberty (our interests) in the world get called a ‘neocon’. Or it is possible Lieberman is being called such simply because he is Jewish being that many of these same types are anti-Israel as well.

Of course any information that these anti-American types can get to make America look bad gets them all excited as well.


6 posted on 12/16/2010 7:37:25 AM PST by TheBigIf
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To: Ravnagora

And this came out of The Guardian? Interesting...


7 posted on 12/16/2010 7:38:20 AM PST by montyspython
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To: Ravnagora

I don’t get the comparison to Iraq. Hussein was a clear threat to the US. We had a compelling interest in taking out that regime.


8 posted on 12/16/2010 7:57:06 AM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: jazminerose

Well, the attacks on Serbia regarding Kosovo was based on dubious intelligence and many will argue that the attack on Iraq was based on the same premise, ala the possession of WMDs.


9 posted on 12/16/2010 8:01:19 AM PST by montyspython
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To: Ravnagora

I’ve come to the conclusion after long years of reading and pondering that we had no business in either WW I or Yugoslavia. Yeah, the Serbs were rotten people, but we helped a criminal Muslim nation rise in Europe because of it. We should have just stayed out of it.


10 posted on 12/16/2010 8:10:31 AM PST by DesScorp
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To: montyspython

Except Hussein (the first one, not the current president) had WMD. One of our best clues was the fact that he had already used them—on his own people.

I’ll never understand how libtards can seriously argue that removing him was a bad thing.


11 posted on 12/16/2010 8:11:32 AM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: montyspython
the attacks on Serbia regarding Kosovo was based on dubious intelligence

The propaganda for the Serbia attack was based on faked CNN news reports but I do not remember any dubious intelligence. Everything that happened was plain as day to those who avoided the mainstream media.

12 posted on 12/16/2010 8:21:08 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: kittymyrib
Don’t forget to give Billy Jeff Clintoon full credit for the atrocities committed in Kosovo.

McCain, Lieberman, and most of the RINO's were also huge KLA backers.

Fighting with the KLA to take Serb land and give it to Muslim squatters was one of the sorriest chapters in U.S. history and will come back to haunt us in the future.

It already has bigtime. Osama bin Ladin received protection and a passport from the new Clinton-backed Muslim nation of Bosnia.

13 posted on 12/16/2010 8:29:16 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Huebolt

Bill Clinton has already been indicted for war crimes by the International court at the Hague.

The US has chosen not to deliver him.


14 posted on 12/16/2010 8:32:19 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: montyspython
And this came out of The Guardian? Interesting...

Contrary to popular belief, the Guardian has always published a wide range of political opinion - wider than any other English newspaper. But that's liberal (in the English sense) journalism for you.

15 posted on 12/16/2010 10:54:54 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; vooch; ...

Ping!


16 posted on 12/16/2010 11:18:25 AM PST by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

Thanx. Some of the posts on the G are very telling too.


17 posted on 12/16/2010 12:14:04 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: bayouranger

Sir Ivor Roberts (HM Ambassador to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
1994-1997) interviewed on BBC News (PM) 15 Dec 2010.

“... the supposition that all this [the Yugoslav wars] was the activity of only one side in the wars [the Serbs] has to be exposed for the nonsense that it is, and I’m afraid that Western powers have often been complicit in this in their desperate desire to see an independent Kosovo emerge from the chaos of the Yugoslav wars”


18 posted on 12/16/2010 12:25:02 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: DesScorp
DesScorp wrote:

"...Yeah, the Serbs were rotten people,..."

Can you please explain in what way were the Serbs "rotten people"?

*****

19 posted on 12/16/2010 12:50:26 PM PST by Ravnagora
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To: DesScorp

We should have heeded the words of Bismarck, “The whole of the Balkans is not worth the bones of a single Pomeranian grenadier.”


20 posted on 12/16/2010 12:52:21 PM PST by dfwgator (Welcome to the Gator Nation Will Muschamp)
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To: Ravnagora

>>what way were the Serbs “rotten people”?

Essentially because our politicians, diplomats and associated media sycophants drummed it into our heads willynilly nonstop for years framing the issue without any historical context and ignoring the supply chain from Turkey, Iran and the Saudis and other oil fiefdoms, even Pakistan, and with no reference the enshrining of jihad in the Balkans.


21 posted on 12/16/2010 12:53:50 PM PST by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: DesScorp

Yeah, the Serbs were so rotten to fight against the fascists and the communists while finding time to save 500 US airman.

Yeah, damn those Serbs. </saracasm>


22 posted on 12/16/2010 1:25:30 PM PST by montyspython
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To: dfwgator

Isn’t the word “besmirch” a derivative of Bismarck?


23 posted on 12/16/2010 1:28:11 PM PST by montyspython
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To: DesScorp

Serbs? A rotten people?!!??

Well then I guess so are all freedom loving, cultured, ancient, Christian people of the world.

Get your facts straight before you post absurdities.


24 posted on 12/16/2010 3:41:08 PM PST by eleni121 (Prepare the table, watch in the watchtower, eat, drink: arise ye princes, and prepare the shield)
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To: DesScorp
We should have just stayed out of it.

Completely different set of reasons, but I agree with this part, "We should have stayed out of it".

25 posted on 12/16/2010 4:42:51 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: kittymyrib; Bokababe; eleni121

....Fighting with the KLA to take Serb land and give it to Muslim squatters was one of the sorriest chapters in U.S. history and will come back to haunt us in the future....

It already HAS come back to haunt us!!!!!

Think of all that has happened to our country (and to Europe) since that evil anti-Christian, globalist/muslim war in the Balkans. Start with 9/11, and end with the election of pro-muslim extremist Barack Hussein Abdullah obama and its many horrible consequences.


26 posted on 12/16/2010 7:39:20 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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