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Courts may not get last word in health care fight
The Daily Caller ^ | 12/16/10 | RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR

Posted on 12/16/2010 12:26:46 PM PST by Nachum

WASHINGTON (AP) — Opponents of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul law are a cheering a federal court ruling that one of its core provisions is unconstitutional. They may not realize that Obama has a fallback option that also could do the job.

Even if the Supreme Court ultimately agrees that government cannot require individuals to carry health coverage, the Obama administration could borrow a strategy that Medicare has used for decades to compel consumers to join new insurance groups.

Medicare’s coverage for doctor visits is voluntary and carries a separate premium, yet more than nine in 10 older people sign up. The reason is simple: Those who opt out when they first become eligible face a lifelong penalty that escalates the longer they wait.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: care; courts; fight; health; healthcare; individualmandate; obamacare

1 posted on 12/16/2010 12:26:54 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 12/16/2010 12:29:33 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Florida judge to rule on health-care challenge by states

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/16/AR2010121602003.html?hpid=topnews


3 posted on 12/16/2010 12:29:47 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Nachum

I guess then by 0bama’s standards, Hitler will end up being an underachiever.


4 posted on 12/16/2010 12:31:08 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah coel Jmeth. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Nachum

More ways the government can “help” you.


5 posted on 12/16/2010 12:32:25 PM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid.)
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To: Nachum
It shall not stand. It may take years, but it will be repealed. It's just another socialist nail in our coffin and we refuse to be killed by communists.
6 posted on 12/16/2010 12:33:02 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Nachum

The American people want the healthcare bill gone and Obama gone.


7 posted on 12/16/2010 12:35:12 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Nachum

Right, pretend it’s voluntary - just like the income tax.

Congress also likes to pretend there’s no deficit.
And they like to pretend that 83% of Americans don’t hate their guts.


8 posted on 12/16/2010 12:38:14 PM PST by DManA
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To: Nachum
"Medicare’s coverage for doctor visits is voluntary"

Notice the voluntary part?

I'm in the minority again. Last week I had the opportunity to visit a physician in his office. After a couple of x-rays and a conversation that lasted almost an hour, I left and paid the $200 fee on my way out.

Some might observe that the bill was much more than a co-payment, but I didn't. You see, that was my first visit to a doctor in about 10 years. It works out to about $20 a year or a little more than $1.66 a month.

Oh, I forgot to mention that I received a 15% discount for prompt payment.

9 posted on 12/16/2010 12:41:27 PM PST by An Old Man
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To: Nachum
Obama has said it in the past- he WANTS 100% GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED HEALTH CARE and he knows it could take 20 years to implement.

Obamacare was a major leap forward- but they are NOT finished until all the insurance companies go out of business.

They need to beat the private companies to death and cause people to choose the govt

Same with the auto industry- they did not need to take over ALL the companies just one. Then use tax dollars to price the competition out of business

10 posted on 12/16/2010 12:44:18 PM PST by Mr. K ('Profiling' you is worse than grabbing your balls)
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To: Nachum

Just get rid of the friggin law and we all won’t have to play all these cat and mouse games.


11 posted on 12/16/2010 12:46:32 PM PST by goldi (')
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To: An Old Man
We're in the same boat.

Had we paid health premiums over the years we would not have the business we have today.

Society will try to make you feel guilty with their claim that "if you don't have health care, the taxpayer pays if you have an emergency" but that's the way society has set it up.

We don't buy the guilt trip. Each person should be responsible for how much they choose to allocate toward their own personal health care. Personal health goes to the heart of freedom. Too many (even on FR) buy into the social mentality.

12 posted on 12/16/2010 12:49:54 PM PST by what's up
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To: An Old Man

I need you to talk with my husband....I only want high deductible insurance....don’t need doctor call insurance....and when we hit Medicare age it’s going to be a real fight because I want nothINg to do with it! What are you doing!?


13 posted on 12/16/2010 12:50:42 PM PST by goodnesswins (You deciding how to spend your health care $, thatÂ’s freedom. Govt deciding, thats a death panel)
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To: Williams
More ways the government can “help” you.

What do you do with 40million+ seniors who have been completely duped by Medicare? How do we get them to opt into the private health insurance system, the finest in the world?

14 posted on 12/16/2010 12:52:39 PM PST by blade_tenner
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To: An Old Man
Some might observe that the bill was much more than a co-payment, but I didn't. You see, that was my first visit to a doctor in about 10 years. It works out to about $20 a year or a little more than $1.66 a month.

And chances are you'll stay healthy and not ever need insurance. I say just pay your doctor. If you're poor you can always go to the emergency room if injured or sick.

15 posted on 12/16/2010 12:55:30 PM PST by blade_tenner
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To: goodnesswins
"What are you doing!?"

We use the pay as you go method. Having done that all of our lives, it inconceivable that anyone would do otherwise.

Get a hold of that fella Dave Ramsey and pay off everything before you retire! That way, you will be amazed at how little it actually cost to maintain a household. I could get down to specifics, but you probably would not believe what the actual cash outlay is for two people when you have no debts.

16 posted on 12/16/2010 1:24:08 PM PST by An Old Man
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To: Nachum
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

When do we re-up?

17 posted on 12/16/2010 1:33:43 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Nachum

Their fallback position will be to raise your taxes, and then give you a credit to offset your health premium when and if you buy a policy


18 posted on 12/16/2010 1:42:51 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Nachum

The people will get the last word. And we will eliminate the socialists from our land. They love it so much, they can move to Cuba.


19 posted on 12/16/2010 2:12:26 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: blade_tenner

It may not be that they were duped, it is what they can afford. I know seniors who live on less than $500-900 a month. They qualify for $10-30 in food stamps and commodities. And if lucky they might get some utility assistance IF the welfare queens don’t beat them to the funding first.

And it’s not just seniors that get forced into Medicare, but retired over 65 Military. They get shoved on Medicare from their Champus or Tricare Prime (they were paying for) when they turn 65 Then they go on Medicare and Tricare for Life picks up the RX and what Medicare doesn’t cover.


20 posted on 12/16/2010 3:42:37 PM PST by GailA (NO JESUS, NO CHRISTmas!)
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To: Nachum

And even this is being litigated in court as we speak, this whole forcing people to buy into Medicare. It’s an active case:

Hill vs. Sebelius

http://thefundforpersonalliberty.org/


21 posted on 12/17/2010 10:44:02 PM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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