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GOP votes in place for repeal of Don't Ask
SFGate: Politics Blog ^ | 12/16/10 | Carolyn Lochhead, Chronicle Washington Bureau

Posted on 12/16/2010 1:10:51 PM PST by SmithL

Gay rights lobbyists say they now have 61 Senate votes in hand to repeal the Don't Ask, Don't Tell ban on gays and lesbians in the military. Three Republicans are needed and at least that many have now made firm commitments to vote yes if a stand-alone repeal comes to the floor.

Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Scott Brown of Massachusetts have both said they are on board, joining Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine. That's four Republicans, one more than needed, and two more are considered possibilities.

Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., said it's now squarely up to Senate majority leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., to put repeal to a vote.

"The reality is we've got the votes," Lieberman said. "It's really up to Sen. Reid now."

Lieberman said repeal should be brought up after the spending bill to fund the government is resolved by Saturday, and before debate resumes on the START treaty, arguing that START can be passed next year, but repeal of the gay ban cannot.

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KEYWORDS: dadt; dontaskdonttell
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1 posted on 12/16/2010 1:10:53 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL
Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Scott Brown of Massachusetts have both said they are on board, joining Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine. That's four Republicans, one more than needed, and two more are considered possibilities.

This is why the Tea Party was born - and why conservatives have to defeat these RINOs that always seem to be there to pass some anti-American bill the left wants. This one could be fatal to our military strength. Senator Brown (R-MA) should be ashamed of himself. To think that Scott Brown was once celebrated on these forums. That seems like a very long time ago.

2 posted on 12/16/2010 1:19:43 PM PST by Jim Scott
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To: SmithL

Gays shouldn’t be allowed in the military.

Why?

Because they get pissy and give our military secrets to everyone.


3 posted on 12/16/2010 1:23:39 PM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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To: Jim Scott

Brown was hired to do one thing - not vote for Obamacare. The D’s had to do something else to get Obamacare passed, and that made Democrat House members vote for something they didn’t like, and the D’s in the House got crushed last month. When Brown was elected, many thought that would stop Obamacare. It didn’t, but many house D’s lost their seats because of Brown.


4 posted on 12/16/2010 1:24:14 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Jim Scott

Republicans are done! All Hail the new TEA PARTY!


5 posted on 12/16/2010 1:24:30 PM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: SmithL

These traitors should never be allowed to serve on any important committee. They need to be taken out to the political woodshed.


6 posted on 12/16/2010 1:24:56 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: SmithL
Strange that an observant Jew, like Lieberman, who won't even ride in a car or campaign on the Sabbath, feels he can champion homosexuality and God will give him a pass.

Democrats are so confusing.

7 posted on 12/16/2010 1:29:15 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: SmithL

The left along with the scum on the so-called “right” want to destroy the military as an avenue to bring in their radical leftist agenda. According to Dana Loesch the left wants to radicalize the military into leftist activists. The Left thinks that they can split social conservatives by repealing DADT. This is also a method to distract from the Omnibus and the Tax proposals floating around.


8 posted on 12/16/2010 1:31:26 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: Tzimisce

After NOW complained about hazing at Annapolis in 1991, the Congressional Committee on Women’s Issues made a finding that senior officers who even question women’s roles in the military must be immediately dismissed. Watch for similar finding if DADT gets repealed.


9 posted on 12/16/2010 1:34:00 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Jim Scott

I have sympathy for Scott Brown. There are many gays in the Cape and Brown is targeted by the DNC. Massachusetts is simply an impossible state. If we could not boot Barney Frank now, then when? As for Murkowski, she is a fraud - I am sad about Joe Miller.


10 posted on 12/16/2010 1:39:36 PM PST by juliej
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To: Deb

Joe is a Democrat or lib first. That is the problem with Dems and why they are impossible. He is also pro abortion and that is a violation of Jewish law. There are some pro life Demos with principles - but they are few and far between. Bob Casey Jr. is a total phony. His father would never have supported Obama because of abortion.


11 posted on 12/16/2010 1:41:58 PM PST by juliej
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To: SmithL
I thought the GOP Senators were going to prevent everything from coming to the floor until the tax deal was finished...I know the Senate voted to pass it, but Pelosi in the House is threatening to make changes that would mean that it isn't over, and goes back to the Senate. Wake up Stupid Party.
12 posted on 12/16/2010 1:43:13 PM PST by Qbert
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To: truthfreedom
Agree. Brown is still better than Kennedy. Anyone who was fooled by his liberal stance on social issues. wasn't listening.

He votes with the GOP on defense and some tax issues which is great, but no one should ever have thought he was a real conservative.

13 posted on 12/16/2010 1:43:39 PM PST by what's up
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To: broken_arrow1

These guys are from socially liberal states and they are a minority. Murkowski and the bobsy twins from Maine are an anomaly. However, in NH, a Republican was elected and I believe she is a conservative so there is hope. New England is pretty much done.


14 posted on 12/16/2010 1:43:53 PM PST by juliej
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To: SmithL
Gay rights lobbyists say they now have 61 Senate vote

Aren't there any red-state rats facing reelection in '12 that will oppose this? Nelson? Manchin? Landrieu?

15 posted on 12/16/2010 1:47:07 PM PST by rhinohunter (I think Jeb's very happy in Florida, and I hope he'll stay there.)
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To: juliej
Totally agree on Casey. What a liar. He's a very dependable vote for anything concerning abortion and I almost included it regarding Lieberman, but I wasn't 100% sure of his voting record on it.

And let's not forget Harry Reid is Mormon. One of those pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro-gambling, anti-military, anti-American Mormons.

16 posted on 12/16/2010 1:48:50 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

“Strange that an observant Jew, like Lieberman, who won’t even ride in a car or campaign on the Sabbath, feels he can champion homosexuality and God will give him a pass.”

And there’s this: DADT repeal will likely weaken the military. A weaker military will mean- let’s be honest- an even more vulnerable Israel. Some day he’ll realize his mistake.


17 posted on 12/16/2010 1:49:43 PM PST by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Reid at one time was pro life. But you can forget it now. I hope the people of Nevada are proud of themselves for voting this two faced fraud back into office.


18 posted on 12/16/2010 1:52:05 PM PST by juliej
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To: Deb

Perhaps along with being an observant Jew he is also a practicing fudge packer?


19 posted on 12/16/2010 1:57:01 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: juliej

Maine elected a TEA Party guy governor on November 2nd.

In a matter of weeks, Maine will have one of the most conservative governors in America. The GOP also won control of the state Senate and state House. The last time the Maine GOP had control of the governorship, state House and state Senate was in the early 1960’s.

Our new Secretary of State is a conservative and an Iraq War veteran.

Snowe is up in 2012 and a TEA Party guy plans to challenge her in the primary. Collins is up in 2014. Maine needs to get rid of those two RINO bitches ASAP. I live in Maine and I’ll do my part. Our two RAT federal House members need to go, too.


20 posted on 12/16/2010 1:58:38 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (A Jimmy Carter got us a Ronald Reagan......A Barack Obama will get us a Sarah Palin)
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To: Qbert

Supposedly he’s trying to regain his position in the party after supporting McCain for president, but with a 3% approval rating in Conn. he might as well hang it up. The Left will never trust him again and he has broken his plate with conservatives. He needs to go home.


21 posted on 12/16/2010 1:59:23 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: jospehm20

Lieberman is a liberal first and a Jew second, assuming he cares about Judaism and its tenets at all.


22 posted on 12/16/2010 2:00:25 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (A Jimmy Carter got us a Ronald Reagan......A Barack Obama will get us a Sarah Palin)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Good luck! I wish you success. Of the two of them, I consider Snowe the worst. She is Greek Orthodox and should know that her church condemns abortion and yet she supports partial birth abortion! I have some hope for NH also, but let’s see. MASS is impossible. As for Vermont, yech!


23 posted on 12/16/2010 2:02:19 PM PST by juliej
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To: Jim Scott

Probably 75-80% of Brown’s constituents want DADT repealed. He can’t ignore that.
Scott Brown is solidly against the DREAM ACT. I’m satisifed with that.


24 posted on 12/16/2010 2:08:15 PM PST by nbenyo
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To: SmithL

I always thought that this lame duck Congress was going to be a final middle finger of the 111th Congress and the president. And the RINOs in Congress are right in there with them laughing at the people.


25 posted on 12/16/2010 2:10:49 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: SmithL

In January, the first order of business should be to reinstitute the draft and remind the public that homosexuality is no longer a means to avoid service.


26 posted on 12/16/2010 2:11:57 PM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: SmithL
The “get out of Jail” free card on this is the stand-alone repeal part of the question. Reid would have to strip the bill till there is nothing left on it to get these Republicans to vote yes. That means there would be a few Democrats who would not vote on it because their particular payoff won't be in it. There might be more legs to this than we think.
27 posted on 12/16/2010 2:19:33 PM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: SmithL

F these damn RINO’s

Send in the MARINES !


28 posted on 12/16/2010 2:20:57 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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Olympia snowe is voting for this. Time for more primary purges.

we eliminated castle.

the rest of the rinos are the next primary targets.


29 posted on 12/16/2010 2:24:24 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: nolongerademocrat
I have to believe this repeal is going to cause numerous problems with our armed forces, first of which could be a breakdown of moral.

To be in favor of DADT is not being anti-gay. It is the way of the Military, and it has worked. To now force the Military to become PC is likely to see a reduction in volunteers.

Hence, this could be the exact intent of this repeal, to force a draft.

30 posted on 12/16/2010 2:38:47 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Jim Scott

When the Democrats come after Brown in the next election, conservatives everywhere should sit stone silent. Leave him to those wolves.


31 posted on 12/16/2010 2:48:21 PM PST by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing leftists and their fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: juliej

Re Scott Brown, so what. The Senate exists as a deliberative body to decide in the best interests of AMERICA, not to be beholden to the special interests of their states (e.g., Mass. gay mafia). They have gone WAY OFF TRACK.


32 posted on 12/16/2010 2:49:55 PM PST by La Enchiladita
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To: nbenyo
Probably 75-80% of Brown’s constituents want DADT repealed. He can’t ignore that.

Yes he can. Because they are WRONG.

33 posted on 12/16/2010 2:52:15 PM PST by La Enchiladita
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To: SmithL
Hey Scott, hope you enjoy you ONE and ONLY (abreviated) term in the Senate.

Though I won't support his opposition (like I would the "Beeatch Sisters" from Maine and would open my wallett for even the most Far Left Lib or even Beelzebub--same thing, lol--rather than see either of the F'n RINOS's relected) I--and I would bet most others who contributed to his campaign--will NOT be sending his a dime.

34 posted on 12/16/2010 2:57:16 PM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: Rational Thought

To reinstate the draft will bring about massive backpedaling in the gay community - in the way of, “No, I said I love men in uniform. I didn’t say I wanted to BE a man in uniform.” The fact that they are also clamoring for no segregation, means no combat exemptions... it is always the unintended consequences that get ya...


35 posted on 12/16/2010 3:03:41 PM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nbenyo

OK, but what’s Lisa Murkowski’s excuse?
She is hopping onboard every liberal agenda item.

RINOs gone wild.


36 posted on 12/16/2010 3:16:32 PM PST by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: La Enchiladita

The only way to get politicians directed towards America’s interests and not the Mass. gay activists is make sure those special interests arent the only voices heard on issues, and make sure they don’t win election and don’t these votes.


37 posted on 12/16/2010 3:29:37 PM PST by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: WOSG
OK, but what’s Lisa Murkowski’s excuse? She is hopping onboard every liberal agenda item.

Yep. Even though I could not support the deeply flawed candidate who ran against her, she is no prize. Is she acting out of defiance vs. the GOP? I have no idea, but her focus seems extremely narrow and provincial.

38 posted on 12/16/2010 3:31:28 PM PST by La Enchiladita
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To: La Enchiladita

“Even though I could not support the deeply flawed candidate who ran against her”

.... thus we get even MORE deeply flawed RINOs re-elected. SIGH.

Gonna miss Joe.


39 posted on 12/16/2010 3:44:28 PM PST by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: WOSG

I read the election will be certified by Christmas, but Miller is using other legal maneuvers, so....??


40 posted on 12/16/2010 3:46:13 PM PST by La Enchiladita
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To: SmithL

Everyone knew coming in that one election would not fix what’s wrong in DC.

The fact that we have 650 new patriots in the state legislatures is where our immediate strength lies. Controlling 30 state legislatures is enough power to set dozens of brushfires that the fed doesn’t have the manpower or resources to control.

That’s where we can start serious fights we can win.


41 posted on 12/16/2010 4:07:08 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Qbert

Yes that is the way it SHOULD work, we’ll see though.


42 posted on 12/16/2010 4:42:30 PM PST by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: broken_arrow1
Republicans are done! All Hail the new TEA PARTY!

That's a little harsh. Murkowski, Collins and Snowe are RATs as far as I'm concerned.

43 posted on 12/16/2010 4:53:57 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
"Murkowski, Collins and Snowe are RATs as far as I'm concerned.

And, have always been RATS.

44 posted on 12/16/2010 5:36:20 PM PST by mia
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To: sergeantdave

“The fact that we have 650 new patriots in the state legislatures is where our immediate strength lies. Controlling 30 state legislatures is enough power to set dozens of brushfires that the fed doesn’t have the manpower or resources to control.”

You’re right. What sort of things should the legislatures do? One that I think should absolutely be done is to pick up the balanced budget amendment where it stopped in the late 80’s. I think it was one or two states away from ratification via a Con-Con.


45 posted on 12/16/2010 5:38:22 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Palin 2012: Renew, Revive, and Restore)
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To: Deb
Strange that an observant Jew, like Lieberman, who won't even ride in a car or campaign on the Sabbath, feels he can champion homosexuality and God will give him a pass.

Lieberman is a decent man (I met him once), but he has no real relationship with the God he claims to be "observant" to.

He will sit around on the night of the Sabbath and not even turn on a light switch, (might be construed as "work"), but he will vote to open the floodgates of what that same God calls an "abomination" into the ranks of our military.

He strains at a gnat, and swallows a camel.

46 posted on 12/16/2010 5:42:02 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: wbarmy

Yes, I think the GOP is playing chess with this repeal.


47 posted on 12/16/2010 5:42:02 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Deb

“Strange that an observant Jew, like Lieberman, who won’t even ride in a car or campaign on the Sabbath, feels he can champion homosexuality and God will give him a pass.”

Yeah, I guess he doesn’t accept the Law of Moses.

He is just pandering to ensure he doesn’t get beat in a primary again. What a putz.


48 posted on 12/16/2010 6:37:16 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Deb
Strange that an observant Jew, like Lieberman, who won't even ride in a car or campaign on the Sabbath, feels he can champion homosexuality and God will give him a pass.
He doesn't wear a kippah/yarmulke so I personally doubt his observance. He's representing the social liberals of Connecticut.
49 posted on 12/16/2010 6:48:56 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: SmithL

lame duck sessions must be ended. the people voted against this.


50 posted on 12/16/2010 7:46:23 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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