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Senate clears way for 'don't ask don't tell' repeal
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Posted on 12/18/2010 9:33:26 AM PST by RatherBiased.com

The Senate has just voted to end debate on a bill that would lift the ban on gays serving openly in the military, essentially clearing the measure for passage and signature by the president.

Lawmakers voted 63 to 33 to end debate on the current policy, put in place by former president Bill Clinton, informally known as "don't ask don't tell."

The Senate could vote on final passage of the measure as early as today but it will most likely happen on Sunday or Monday.

"We are on the verge of ending 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' for good," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said after the vote "This is one of those moments in our history when we stepped up and squared our policies with the values this nation was founded upon."

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To: manc
I hope your question was answered.

Nope! But thank you for your sevice.

251 posted on 12/18/2010 11:14:23 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: RatherBiased.com

“We are on the verge of ending ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ for good,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said after the vote “This is one of those moments in our history when we stepped up and squared our policies with the values this nation was founded upon.”

I didn’t know the founding fathers’s values were open homosexuality....


252 posted on 12/18/2010 11:14:52 AM PST by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

Webb was hot for queers in the military all along. He just needed an excuse. I don`t buy his rationale.


253 posted on 12/18/2010 11:16:22 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

NAIL ON HEAD.

If a fight breaks out and trust me we fought all the time and then had a drink after then you know these homosexuals will say that they were hit because of their stance about homosexuals.

Lawsuits galore now.
Wit till the homosexual party happens on base or the two men start kissing on base or start walking around on base holding hands.

I have asked and asked how does this help the military and not one person can say how it does but there are over hundreds of cons to this bill


254 posted on 12/18/2010 11:16:44 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: codercpc

“I just don’t think that just because someone is gay, they can’t be the best damn soldier in the world. They can be proud Americans, and they can (and do) fight for my freedoms, just as the straight soldiers do now.”

Probably they can be. The question is whether they flaunt it in public. DADT is about being fabulous and homo and a soldier all at the same time and in public.

This is about creating a whole generation of homosexual role models for boys and girls and a whole generation of generals who will be radical leftists. About uniformed soldiers showing up to elementary schools for “meet a soldier” day and telling everyone about how they are homosexual.

In addition, they will be preferentially promoted because of all the whining we will hear over the next 30 years about the subject so the leaders will be top heavy with homos. That’s what happened to the American Catholic church (many seminaries were graduating mostly gays). They got power and then promoted their buds. Look at the results.


255 posted on 12/18/2010 11:17:11 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: happygrl
"It means a new industry opening up for Lawyers."

BINGO!

256 posted on 12/18/2010 11:17:14 AM PST by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: Baynative

No. The United States is not the military. They want to destroy the military to end our ability to project power in the world, but the endgame is the destruction of the United States itself. I’m sure they’d like us to balkanize into a half-dozen nations, constantly bickering over small issues so that the “old” nations such as France, Germany, and China can get their rigthful place in the world back.

Everything is a tool to achieve that end and they can’t win as long as we hold on to our American values. Once we abandon those, their victory is assured.


257 posted on 12/18/2010 11:17:14 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Obama is like a rocket scientist....who's trying to do brain surgery with a hammer.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
...and since you’re merely miffed, this is another victory for Hussein and his cult. Their goal is to make people “get used to it”.

Normally, with the average person, you might be right..... but I base my 'miff level' on research. I went on a fact hunt. It turns out 22 of 26 NATO members have gays openly serving, and of those, there has been no noticable degradation in effectiveness.

That's why I'm only miffed.

258 posted on 12/18/2010 11:17:53 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: codercpc

zot


259 posted on 12/18/2010 11:19:11 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: codercpc
. I think adultery and divorce are much graver sins, as they tend to harm many more people than something two adults may or may not do in the privacy of their own homes.

Neither adultery are divorce are resulting in people dying 20 to 30 years younger than normal people. They haven't resulted in 20% of divorcees or adulterers contracting HIV in urban areas as homosexual males have. Neither adulterers or divorcees account for 65% of the cases of syphilis in the nation. Most adulterers and divorcees aren't the primary group hanging out at public restrooms and parks looking for orgies.

The Bible considers homosexuality a capital crime, vile and an abomination. Obviously, you don't take the sin as serious as God does so stop pretending to speak for God.

260 posted on 12/18/2010 11:19:22 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: ShandaLear
“Answer a question for me, if a gay person goes to battle for this country and dies in the process, is his sacrifice less than a heterosexuals?”

Of course not..that is never been an issue except maybe to people who like you that are clueless. Gays already serve, honorably. DADT means they do not sit around and discuss buggery and how they buggered their boyfriend last night! Much like I do not discuss what my position from the Kama sutra my wife and I prefer.

We discharge senior enlisted and force Officers to resign for having sex with Juniors. That is forbidding under the UCMJ, as is sex in the barracks (generally by local orders) and sodomy and theft and polygamy and...need I say more. These laws are there for good order and discipline in the military. Military members live under laws far more restrictive than civilians, we all give up some rights in order to serve. Gays included. DADT allowed those gays willing to serve under the UCMJ the ability to serve.

Service in the military is NOT a right. Fat people cannot serve, people treated with mood altering drugs for any disorder may not be allowed to serve. Handicapped people cannot join nor can felons or know gang members.

NOBODY is kicked out for being gay, they are kicked out for perform gay acts or admitting to them in violation of the UCMJ. If gay acts are performed in the privacy of their own home or a motel it is rarely reported and is generally of no concern. On base or post that is a different subject. You really must stop lecturing someone who has served has gone to war and has seen over 30 years of social experiments in the military not all good. DADT limited the number of homosexuals to only those willing to remain circumspect and follow the rules.

261 posted on 12/18/2010 11:19:47 AM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: ShandaLear

zot


262 posted on 12/18/2010 11:20:29 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: southernsunshine; ohioman
I read you loud and clear. Thank you, ohioman!

My guess? Until the repeal is signed, Ohioman is worried someone will ask and tell.

For the record, I DON'T think homosexuals should serve in the military, but anybody who gets as hysterical about the issue as Ohioman must be a seriously unhappy homosexual himself.

263 posted on 12/18/2010 11:20:37 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: happygrl

It means equal rights for Domestic Partners to have military housing, living next to families.

It means having their domestic Partners participate inmilitary social functions as equals.

It means a new industry opening up for Lawyers.


NAIL ON HEAD
There is no positive to this but a lot of trouble will happen of which bozo the clown and his queer media supporters will try to hide and not tell the public.

BTW Just had a call off a friend power in Kabul and he has said he and 5 others are not looking t leave the Marines as soon as their time is up.

WELL F-IN DONE BOZO AND THE PRO HOMOSEXUAL CROWD, now 5 good men have decided to leave, my two sons will now not be joining so that is 7


264 posted on 12/18/2010 11:21:00 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Dr. Carle Zimmerman in 1947 wrote a book called Family and Civilization. He studies the decline of several civilizations and empires. He discovered eight patterns of domestic behavior that signaled the decline of a civilization:

1. The breakdown of marriage and rise of divorce.

2. The loss of the traditional meaning of the marriage ceremony.

3. The rise of Feminism.

4. Increased public disrespect for parents and authority in general.

5. Acceleration of juvenile delinquency, promiscuity and rebellion.

6. Refusal of people with traditional marriages to accept their family responsibilities.

7. A growing desire for and acceptance of adultery.

8. Increasing interest in and spread of sexual perversions (homosexuality) and sex-related crimes.


265 posted on 12/18/2010 11:23:05 AM PST by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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To: Cheetahcat

Pedophiles will love Afghanistan, and what about all the other garbage. You know, this is just a consequence of allowing and legalizing all sexual immorality.


266 posted on 12/18/2010 11:23:09 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: ShandaLear

“The issue for me is that the current policy does not exclude gays from military service and why should someone who is gay be kicked out of the military just for being gay if they have served with honor?”

As long as they shut up about their preference, I’m good with that. This is a radical political group seeking to leverage their honorable service into support for their agenda.

That’s all DADT was about. Serve and stay discreet about your problem. They don’t get kicked out for being homosexual. They get kicked out for being public about it—getting caught in barracks doing what they do, showing up in uniform at a gay pride parade, stuff like that.


267 posted on 12/18/2010 11:23:30 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Alter Kaker

come on do not put yourself into the group which the left does and do not come down to their level.

The poster is proud of the military as I am, some might not have served due to their health etc, Hell I was lucky because I never told them about my asthma but I went on and did years serving.

The left always says you have to be a homosexual if you oppose them and that is not true and I think you know that


268 posted on 12/18/2010 11:23:50 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: ShandaLear
why should someone who is gay be kicked out of the military just for being gay if they have served with honor?

Because heterosexuals shouldn't have to shower, undress or live in the same quarters with someone that may have an unwanted sexual attraction to them.

We don't force women to do all that with men in the military. Why should be forcing heterosexuals to do that with homosexuals?

269 posted on 12/18/2010 11:24:10 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you Jim, there are too many who think because they know a homosexual that their agenda is no problem, it’;s high time they woke up.


270 posted on 12/18/2010 11:24:51 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Alter Kaker

So far, you’ve used the ‘if you don’t like gays you’re a closeted gay’ argument and the ‘chickenhawk’ argument all in one thread.

Seems like DU should be a forum more to your liking with those kinds of tactics.


271 posted on 12/18/2010 11:25:10 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Laz, I understand what you’re saying...but I would say that their personnel are not as good as ours because of the social experimentation/mores/values that goes on in their armed forces.

The missions of other NATO nations, whether we like it or not, is different than OUR mission. We are the bad ass, the big dog, the one who does the WORK. They are, for most purposes, doing the small stuff. Their load is not as heavy.

Do we want our military personnel more concerned with killing terrorists or with not offending their fellow soldiers? I think this will turn us into a “small nation” military—if not immediately, then eventually.

Think of the cost: will our military now pay for AIDS treatment for openly gay soldiers? For housing for domestic partners and their health care? For “adoption services” for gays? This is a big hot mess that takes away from the military’s mission.

IMHO.


272 posted on 12/18/2010 11:25:10 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: kosciusko51

“So now that this has passed, I think they should make separate platoons of only openly homosexuals.”

That actually sounds like a very good idea. It would ensure unit cohesion, and give those soldiers “something to prove”.

In World War 2 the 442nd regimental combat team was composed mainly of Americans of Japanese descent, and became reportedly the most highly decorated unit in US military history, with 21 medal of honor winners.


273 posted on 12/18/2010 11:25:53 AM PST by devere
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To: Lazamataz
Name a war, since Korea that any of these great NATO militaries have fought in a war where they actually had more than a token force on the ground. Hell without 50,000 or more US troops has any NATO military won a war in the last 50 years? Maybe you could count the Falklands, but the Brits nearly lost that one! Comparing the US military in size and scope to any other countries military is a red herring. For the record, I read the Brits had gays forced on them by the EU courts.
274 posted on 12/18/2010 11:25:57 AM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: RatherBiased.com
Only 33 Republican senators voted against cloture on DADT. That is just a simple vote, which doesn't require any conviction.

How many Republican senators were willing to put their reputations on the line to pull a Bernie Sanders and run out the clock on this monsrosity?

Not one Republican senator had the courage to do the right thing. Not one Republican senator would do what most Freepers would do in a heartbeat.

Once again, we have seen the whites of their eyes, and they are not conservatives. None of those senators are principled conservatives. They are fair weather friends.

We must remember this when they resume mouthing platitudes.

They will tell us that they traded their vote for a win on some other issue, like the DREAM Act or the tax act or something else. Don't believe it. This is just crass pandering on their part.

Think about it: which special interest group made out in the lame duck session? The Gays. What does that tell us about the priorities of Republican senators?

275 posted on 12/18/2010 11:27:24 AM PST by Kennard (io)
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To: Alter Kaker; ohioman
My guess? Until the repeal is signed, Ohioman is worried someone will ask and tell.

Your guess is wrong. Read ohioman's posts again.

For the record, I DON'T think homosexuals should serve in the military, but anybody who gets as hysterical about the issue as Ohioman must be a seriously unhappy homosexual himself.

Why did you just call a FReeper a homosexual?

276 posted on 12/18/2010 11:27:45 AM PST by southernsunshine
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To: codercpc
This just isn't the case today (as the recent survey proved).

Rest assured the survey was conducted in such a way as to guarantee the proper response, the desired response those who initiated the survey require. Then the results are pushed forward by the liberal mainstream media as bible. This tactic is used all the time, an example not related to this issue, ask anyone who voted for the stadium issue back in 1997 that live in the Cincinnati area. All kinds of bogus surveys promoting the issue came out in the run up to the vote ... within two years it was abundantly clear to voters they had made a huge mistake.

277 posted on 12/18/2010 11:27:51 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: Lazamataz

having done many NATO exercise and worked with NATO I can honestly say that those NATO nations is not like ours and the only one which could be is the Brits and while they might have the law they do not allow openly serving homosexuals and a blind eye is done if something happens .
Something of which will not happen in ours.


278 posted on 12/18/2010 11:30:06 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: manc
FOX has been a disgrace over the homosexual agenda.

As has Rush Limbaugh, who never sees a peep about it while giving Elton John a million dollars.

279 posted on 12/18/2010 11:30:27 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: devere
Unit cohesion that is hilarious, only the Spartans and Samurai could screw each other and remain an effective fighting force. But than again to the Spartans and Samurai it was all about dying in battle. To them, how you die was more important than who you screwed. Not seening that happening in today's new gayifed military.
280 posted on 12/18/2010 11:32:23 AM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: ShandaLear

Given the current situation with our military fighting in countries where homosexuality is a crime punishable by death, who will take up the slack when openly gay military cannot go to the battlefield?

How fair will that be?

I was one of those who thought this whole DADT thing was innocuous, like a mosquito bite, but it isn’t. It opens the door to other things, and this whole business is nothing more than forcing the rest of this nation to accept homosexuality as normal.

And by forcing, we’re talking with the force of law. Say what you will, but I’ve not heard of a case in this country where someone went to jail because they refused to accept Christianity.

This is NOT going to end well.


281 posted on 12/18/2010 11:33:08 AM PST by kozanne
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To: huldah1776

“Pedophiles will love Afghanistan, and what about all the other garbage. You know, this is just a consequence of allowing and legalizing all sexual immorality.”

These sissy loving Idiots are creating another problem in the Military also a lot of the Arabs hate this conduct as well and punish it severely.


282 posted on 12/18/2010 11:33:12 AM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
Say good bye to the military that's supposed to kill people and WIN.

I think you're wrong about that. A leftist military will still have a desire to kill and win. It will seek to stamp out dissenters of the Marxist agenda.

283 posted on 12/18/2010 11:35:09 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: manc
The ShandaLear types may have good intentions from an individualist stand point, but do not realize the agenda associate with homosexuals.

I am a little testy on this thread because I am sick and tired of dealing with the pro-sodomy crowd (On a forum which discourages pro-buggery causes) all this week. Plus my wife is an 0-5 in the AF who sick of the cultural marxism and the politics of brown nosing of the "liberal" POV in command.
284 posted on 12/18/2010 11:35:16 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: RatherBiased.com

I was wrong on DADT being passed. A few weeks ago the GOP was certain that they could stop it. They said that it would never make it to the floor. They were wrong, and I was wrong. It looks as if it is going to be passed with the help of the RINOs. Never in the debate was the real issue mentioned, namely whether or not homosexual behavior is immoral. Instead, the debate has been about unit cohesiveness and fighting ability. The issue of WHY it was detrimental was never addressed.


285 posted on 12/18/2010 11:36:22 AM PST by Nosterrex
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To: manc

No I am done with you. No respect for anyone that can’t admit a simple mistake.


286 posted on 12/18/2010 11:36:56 AM PST by plain talk
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To: devere
“442nd regimental combat team was composed mainly of Americans of Japanese descent, and became reportedly the most highly decorated unit in US military history, with 21 medal of honor winners.”

Please to not in the same sentence compare what the 442nd and its outstanding men went through to homosexuals. That is wrong in so many ways. Racism is NOT condoned in the bible, nether is gay sex.

287 posted on 12/18/2010 11:37:05 AM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

Yup, just like the sexual harassment training and diversity at work now. Which is pretty encompassing and should cover all deviations.


288 posted on 12/18/2010 11:38:14 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: Ol' Sparky

Lets not forget Hannity etc who could have spoken about this and asked their listeners to have called.

This could have be stopped if talk radio etc had got involved but again the likes of Hannity will not even talk or even show videos of the likes of folsom fair.
Something of which would really hurt the homosexual agenda.

Seems money trumps principles for some and if Hannity etc are reading this thread then shame on you, shame on FOX and others who were too cowardly to stand with our military and their voices plus the vets


289 posted on 12/18/2010 11:39:01 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Ol' Sparky

“A leftist military will still have a desire to kill and win. It will seek to stamp out dissenters of the Marxist agenda.”

Good call, who killed more Russians, Stalin or Hitler?


290 posted on 12/18/2010 11:39:24 AM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: OldGoatCPO
Good call, who killed more Russians, Stalin or Hitler?

Both killed a lot more Ukrainians than Russians.

291 posted on 12/18/2010 11:40:32 AM PST by dfwgator (Welcome to the Gator Nation Will Muschamp)
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To: plain talk

I am not done with you , what the hell are you on pal?

Get this into your head right now.
I am going to fight these people who voted for this and give my spare money I have to defeat them.

Now why do you refuse to answr a simple question as do you support queers getting maried and overturning don’t ask?

As for the mistake what mistake?

For someone names plain talk you don’t half speak with riddles .


292 posted on 12/18/2010 11:41:43 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: codercpc

“most young people (todays soldiers) don’t view homosexuality the same way as the older people do”

This young man who doesn’t serve believes otherwise, and it would be great if we had the support of the older generation.

This is absolutely disastrous, and now we’ll see how the real vote goes. We absolutely must kill the bill.


293 posted on 12/18/2010 11:42:25 AM PST by BenKenobi ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." -Tolkein)
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To: plain talk

you will not answer one question which has been given to you why?

So do you support repeal?
Do you think homosexuals should marry each other?
As for not done with you exactly WTH are you on about why what you going to do?


294 posted on 12/18/2010 11:43:40 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Bryanw92
"squared our policies with the values this nation was founded upon"

This asshat invokes the founding principles, while all the while trampling the Will of "We The People"?

Someday, we will look back on the Traitors that have taken us down this path to ruin, and take appropriate action to recover this once-great Nation.

295 posted on 12/18/2010 11:44:01 AM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

If they think a military opposed to God will prosper...

BINGO, it was by the Lord’s blessing we’ve won the wars we have.

You can not battle God and expect to win, ‘pure and simple’


296 posted on 12/18/2010 11:46:00 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: BenKenobi

well said
I’m not old and my sons said that they know of not one person which supports homosexuality.

Seems it depends where one lives and comes from.
I suppose some young pones in MA would have no problem but most of the country does have a problem young and old


297 posted on 12/18/2010 11:46:41 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: ModelBreaker
That’s what happened to the American Catholic church (many seminaries were graduating mostly gays).

That situation is being remedied in a very upfront and direct way (at the "enlistment" level).

Although I tend to be pessimistic, I can only see the military trending more and more leftist/PC over time.

298 posted on 12/18/2010 11:47:00 AM PST by steve86
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To: Pegita

“but the Lord laughs at the wicked,
for he knows their day is coming.”

I know my Father, and it won’t be pretty.


299 posted on 12/18/2010 11:48:36 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: All
New Thread up and running.....
 
If you support the homosexual agenda you are anti-constitution and you'll get the zot from FR!
Jim Robinson

Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2010 1:33:01 PM by Jim Robinson



300 posted on 12/18/2010 11:49:35 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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