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Senate clears way for 'don't ask don't tell' repeal
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Posted on 12/18/2010 9:33:26 AM PST by RatherBiased.com

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To: sometime lurker

No, I will not be changing my mind. I’m just hoping that the decent folks currently in the military are able to safely serve the rest of their remaining hitches and rotate out of the new Homosexualized Military. Anyone joining up or re-enlisting after this degenerate transformation, I will not have any respect for.

I’ve supported the military 100% my whole life, but after today, that military no longer exists.


351 posted on 12/18/2010 12:58:27 PM PST by greene66
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
No idea , what I know is that this is a conservative site and if the owner of the site does not like what he reads on his site then he had every right to delete or ban. What gets me how some , a couple to been fair still cannot understand that, hell I've got one poster telling me he still does not understand that I will donate my all of money to defeat these reps who voted for this. Anyway Merry Christmas and have a nice festive season who non Christians to all except the pro homosexual trolls and lets fight now to get the GOP to understand that the homosexual agenda is to be fought not to be appeased.
352 posted on 12/18/2010 12:58:41 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: manc

correction
-————————————————————————————————festive season to non Christians


353 posted on 12/18/2010 1:00:42 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: manc

It’s Jim’s site and Jim’s rules. I’m just putting in my overpriced two cents.

Merry Christmas to you too. :)


354 posted on 12/18/2010 1:04:07 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I shouldn’t have to explain and reexplain my policies over and over and over again.

Jim, it really doesn't make a lot of sense why you have to continue to explain this, especially to long-term FReepers.

Conservatives have the same values that have been inherent to Judeo-Christian society for several thousand years -- it's not like we are trying to introduce any "new" ideas.

355 posted on 12/18/2010 1:06:52 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Years ago, when I was younger and — argueably — more foolish than now, I loved a lady. We had a young daughter and had started another child. I was looking forward with happy anticipation to that second child but my lady was not. Instead, she saw that child as an embarassment to be avoided so she chose to abort it. Of course, I had no say in the matter — the father never does — so I sat at home with our daughter, watching the clock and waiting.

Since then, I have learned of a man and a woman whose son was condemned to death for a terrible murder. They too sat home, watching the clock and dying inside. I think I know how they must have felt.

Today I sat at my computer, watching the vote in the Senate with much the same feeling of dread and overwhelming sadness at the impending doom of our country.

Oh, I know that the end of DADT won’t kill America but with the Healthcare monstrosity, which will never be repealed, only “modified”, plus all the lesser bills, rules and regulations already in the pipeline to “fundamentaly change America”, the greatest country in the history of the world will, within a generation, be reduced to third-world status alongside such luminaries as Kenya, Bangladesh and Haiti. By that point we may be reduced to asking for aid from the likes of France and Italy.

I think I’ve lived too long.


356 posted on 12/18/2010 1:07:36 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

LOL, No problem and thank you


357 posted on 12/18/2010 1:10:05 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: wagglebee

Apparently, some people think they can be for abortion rights, homosexual rights, etc, and still be counted as conservative. Not so. They’re simply useful idiots for the left.


358 posted on 12/18/2010 1:10:07 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: SomeCallMeTim; Jim Robinson
Wouldn’t it be better to give the rest of us a chance to speak reason to people.. to DEBATE.. rather than just ZOT everone who doesn’t toe your line?

I agree.

359 posted on 12/18/2010 1:10:15 PM PST by don-o (Wait. What?)
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To: don-o

Tough shit!


360 posted on 12/18/2010 1:11:56 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

why some seem to not understand where conservatives stand and what your rules are is beyond me.
Why they call themselves conservatives is beyond me too as thinking homosexuals are normal and killing babies is not important is disgusting.

The GOP had better start speaking up on social issues too as of right now they have been cowards and that goes many talk show hosts and TV hosts.


361 posted on 12/18/2010 1:16:32 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: DemonDeac

Sorry to say, you know why? Because so many people have the perspective you do.

Why are we always the ones that have to be on the defensive?

It’s about time we quit accepting that their victories are permanent and ours are temporary.

Let’s put THEM on the defense for once.


362 posted on 12/18/2010 1:17:54 PM PST by apronius (Good start, but not complete.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Apparently, some people think they can be for abortion rights, homosexual rights, etc, and still be counted as conservative. Not so. They’re simply useful idiots for the left.

The people you describe are libertarians. They are nothing more than hard-core leftists bordering on anarchists who happen to own guns and don't like taxes.

They are delusional if they think they belong here and they are a cancer on the conservative movement.

363 posted on 12/18/2010 1:25:20 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
Not being Jim I did want to offer my two cents

It's like a curfew if you're still living in your parents house. You know the rules, you break them you pay. Some things are not open for debate. In other words right is right and wrong is wrong

Anyone already in favor of the normalization of the gay lifestlye will be more likely bent on learning us and not the other way around. Knowing the rules they should be silent if they choose to remain here for all the other discussions.

364 posted on 12/18/2010 1:27:14 PM PST by fml
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To: Bryanw92
"Everything is a tool to achieve that end and they can’t win as long as we hold on to our American values. Once we abandon those, their victory is assured."

It seems to me that we are nearing a majority in our own congress that has already abandoned both principles and values.

365 posted on 12/18/2010 1:37:59 PM PST by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: fml
It's like a curfew if you're still living in your parents house. You know the rules, you break them you pay.

yes.. well, the RULES at my parent's house were a little more clear and consistent.

And, on the occasion that I DID break them... my parents didn't kick me out of the house and change the locks.

But then... my parents loved me. Even when I sometimes disagreed with them.

366 posted on 12/18/2010 1:59:43 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Are you kidding? You ever visited any of the Homosexual agenda threads??? I and others have been debating ourselves blue in the face since I signed on in 2002! Every agument the pushers of the fag agenda make has been shot down, pulverized and revealed to be lies thousands of times!

(Just [posted the above to another person who thinks “debate” with faggots is a good thing!)

It is impossible to reason with people who are wedded to Evil with a capital E.


367 posted on 12/18/2010 2:00:24 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: wku man
No need to thank me; my service in itself was honor enough, but you're very welcome nonetheless.

What a fine person and retired soldier you are. I am honored to make your cyber aquaintance.

Reality is reality...

You speak truthfully, and eloquently, to the female warrior myth and to the ultimate realities of homosexuals in our military.

This is bad...beyond bad. This is a death sentence for the military, and for our national security.

To say that I am horrified by today's events would be an understatement. I lost my father, a 25 year veteran, last year and miss him every single day. I find it ironic that right now, the only thing I can find to be thankful for is that he isn't here to witness this. May God have mercy on us all.

368 posted on 12/18/2010 2:10:25 PM PST by southernsunshine
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To: Jet Jaguar

Hell will break loose. Something, many somethings, the USA cannot die.


369 posted on 12/18/2010 2:11:48 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: wku man; Sooth2222

One of the links shoots down the survey. It can be shot down even more due to the fact it was not an honest survey at all. This a dark day for our Republic. Very dark.

Ten Reasons to Oppose an “LGBT Law” or Policy for the Military
The Center for Military Readiness ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608259/posts

Senate Testimony: European Militaries Are Not Role Models for U.S.
The Center for Military Readiness ^ | 3/22/2010
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608228/posts

Rates of Homosexual Assault in the Military Are Disproportionately High
FRC ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608306/posts

In Support the 1993 Law Stating that Homosexuals are not Eligible to Serve in the Military
CMR ^ | July 23, 2008 | Elaine Donnelly
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608370/posts

“THE REAL PENTAGON POLL: 91% OF SERVICE MEMBERS REJECT HOMOSEXUAL LEADERS - 1 IN 4 WOULD QUIT”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2635458/posts

“MILITARY: Marines lead opposition to repeal of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2635350/posts

“Mullen: Troops Who Balk at Change in Gay Service Policy Can Find Other Work”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2636350/posts


370 posted on 12/18/2010 2:17:03 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah; Jim Robinson
You ever visited any of the Homosexual agenda threads???

Ummmn.. no. I'm typically not drawn to threads regarding the Homosexual agenda.

posted the above to another person who thinks “debate” with faggots is a good thing!)

The person who got zotted was not a "faggot"... which, by the way, I think is a hateful term to use... but, that's beside the point.

It was a married lady expressing an opinion about the effect of DADT on the military of today. I happen to think she was wrong... and, several people were in the process of explaining to her why she was wrong.... when JR shot her.

I attempted to say I believe this was a bit of a QUICK ZOT... friendly fire, if you will. But, whatever... it's his site. If we wants to liberally elminate readers... that's his prerogative.

And now, for expressing my own opinion.. I apparently have several people angry with me. Lovely.

Merry Christmas, all...

371 posted on 12/18/2010 2:19:19 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: Alter Kaker
"Republicans who abstained: Hatch, . . ."

Orrin Hatch after Robert Bennett was defeated in this year's primary, "I'm more conservative than Bennett."

yitbos

372 posted on 12/18/2010 2:38:25 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: southernsunshine
God bless you and your father. I give you my thanks for his service, on his behalf. My father retired after 31 years service in the US Army; he's a proud old tanker, and I hesitate to even bring this subject up with him. It has to have taken something out of him, and I'm afraid to ask what he's thinking.

"Scared" and "frightened" are words that are often misused, but today I think I am truly frightened for the future of our nation. One of the few things we've always been able to count on...the strength and solidity of the Armed Forces...is now is question, and that scares the living hell out of me, pardon the French.

I can hear the howls of laughter coming from enemy capitals...Mexico City, Riyadh, Tehran, Caracas, Pyongyang, Moscow, Beijing, Damascus, etc...at the thought of how easy it's going to be to do in our nation once and for all.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

373 posted on 12/18/2010 3:08:52 PM PST by wku man (Still holding my breath, but exhaling a bit after Nov. 2...)
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To: little jeremiah
Thanks for the links...good info. Sadly, I think all we can do now is preach to the choir, and prepare ourselves for the dark days at hand.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

374 posted on 12/18/2010 3:16:26 PM PST by wku man (Still holding my breath, but exhaling a bit after Nov. 2...)
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To: Alter Kaker

You are every bit the traitor as these vermin Rinos and Dems who voted to Repeal DADT. Piss Off!


375 posted on 12/18/2010 3:19:38 PM PST by ohioman
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To: Alter Kaker

You are treading thin line and deserve the ZOT..


376 posted on 12/18/2010 3:24:35 PM PST by ohioman
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To: Baynative

Congress is about 90% lost already. I’m talking about the people losing their values. The ones that vote for slavery in the form of the tax/entitlement cycle are lost. Now, all we have left are the ones who can see the damage that is done to people’s humanity through handouts so they keep working, even though they are barely treading water.

With the engineered destruction of the economy and its massive unemployment, good people are being pushed towards a place where they have to embrace serfdom or starve.

The people in government and corporations that see themselves as the future Lords and Barons in the new feudal system are tripping over themselves to drive us into ruin so they can “rescue” us from poverty...and all we have to do is surrender our freedom and all human rights.


377 posted on 12/18/2010 3:27:34 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Obama is like a rocket scientist....who's trying to do brain surgery with a hammer.)
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To: southernsunshine

Alter Kaker has been a troll here for years. It is amazing that he still breathes on this site. Him calling me a faggot is hilarious in its absurdity. I think my wife might disagree with hom on that one :) The guy is a traitor of the highest order, so I would not be surprised by anything spewing from from his mouth.


378 posted on 12/18/2010 3:29:38 PM PST by ohioman
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To: SomeCallMeTim

I lived in SF. And I’ve studied the homosexual agenda since the late 80s. Fought against it and known friends who did, and suffered materially. (Business closed down, radio show shuttered, slander, etc).

Faggots call each other faggots. “Homosexual” is actually a propaganda word invented by a pervert in Germany, in the latter half of the 19th century to give a sense of special identity to those who buggered boys and men.

It’s as bad as “gay”, really.

Any zotting of people supporting, either obviously or in a roundabout way, the fag agenda, is a cause for celebration.


379 posted on 12/18/2010 3:30:02 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: southernsunshine

Alter Kaker has been a troll here for years. It is amazing that he still breathes on this site. Him calling me a faggot is hilarious in its absurdity. I think my wife might disagree with him on that one :) The guy is a traitor of the highest order, so I would not be surprised by anything spewing from from his mouth. However, I thank you and manc for the support.


380 posted on 12/18/2010 3:30:57 PM PST by ohioman
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To: Jim Robinson

Hi Jim,

Quick Question, off topic? If I send you a book at the FR address at the bottom of the page, will you get it?

Thank you.


381 posted on 12/18/2010 3:32:00 PM PST by AnonymousConservative
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To: codercpc

>>so I think any harassment charges could be handled in that way (if a gay soldier propositions a straight soldier).

Do you really believe that a straight soldier will be given a fair hearing if he tries to file a harrassment complaint against a gay soldier? He will probably be accused of homophobia for complaining and the harrassment charge will go against him for “attacking” the homo.


382 posted on 12/18/2010 3:33:16 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Obama is like a rocket scientist....who's trying to do brain surgery with a hammer.)
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To: manc

Keep up the good fight man!


383 posted on 12/18/2010 3:33:32 PM PST by ohioman
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To: AnonymousConservative

Yup. Thanks


384 posted on 12/18/2010 3:34:54 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Bryanw92
That's right. And will a straight soldier risk punishment for bragging about his wife?

It's all going to be crazy.

385 posted on 12/18/2010 3:35:51 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Bryanw92
That's right. And will a straight soldier risk punishment for bragging about his wife?

It's all going to be crazy.

386 posted on 12/18/2010 3:35:56 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: ohioman
Him calling me a faggot is hilarious in its absurdity.

And completely out of line!

I think my wife might disagree with him on that one :)

I believe you're probably right:)

However, I thank you and manc for the support.

Anytime:)

387 posted on 12/18/2010 4:09:01 PM PST by southernsunshine
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To: wku man
My father retired after 31 years service in the US Army; he's a proud old tanker, and I hesitate to even bring this subject up with him. It has to have taken something out of him, and I'm afraid to ask what he's thinking.

I suspect if he needs to talk about it, he'll let you know. He has much to proud of; a lengthy service in the greatest military the world has ever known, not to mention, a fine son. Will you do me a favor? Shake your father's hand and tell him there is a family in Arkansas that thanks him for his service.

I share the sentiments expressed in the rest of your post. Not a pleasant picture to contemplate.

From our house to yours, Merry Christmas!

Sunshine

388 posted on 12/18/2010 4:32:54 PM PST by southernsunshine
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To: Carismar
As I posted on another thread, I’ll no longer advise young people to sign up. I’m sure there are many others who feel the same. The military can troll for their new recruits in the gay bars.

I couldn't agree more. What's sad is this is exactly what they want. This how they will weaken our military. Enlistment will drop dramatically.

389 posted on 12/18/2010 4:59:41 PM PST by 3boysdad (Please tell your congressczar to tell the EPA and MSHA to FO!)
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To: balls
I can image now the gay pride parades on military bases.

Can you imagine hearing one of them saying "You're welcome" to you?

390 posted on 12/18/2010 5:55:30 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: manc
It means equal rights for Domestic Partners to have military housing, living next to families.

It means having their domestic Partners participate inmilitary social functions as equals.

It means a new industry opening up for Lawyers.

Any internal disruption increases risk in a military operation. Increasing risk is intolerable. What the left wants to do is politicize the military the way they have education because it is a big government program ripe for political correctness. The military will get the same polarity that exists in political realms. It purely enables them to introduce their sacred elements such as handgun laws(can you say Ft. Hood?) and twisted forms of redistribution. Redistribution is of course the ultimate goal in everything the left does. New forms of socialism is what they are accomplishing with their armies of lawyers and regulations.

If you don't believe this just take a look at the "Social Justice" initiatives in churches. They are coming after all the major denominations. It is another front in the war they have been gaining ground in for 50 years. They demand things in the name of religion. Choices come under their influence.

The key difference here is that there will be more unnecessary deaths and a less effective military which threatens not just assets but basic survival. This is what the left wants anyway. A safer world for tyrants, dictators and other caring bureaucrats trying to control and take from others.

The US Military saved the world a few times already. It wasn't easy and NOTHING should be done to limit effectiveness of those that protect from totalitarians.

391 posted on 12/19/2010 10:12:13 AM PST by alrea
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To: steve86

“That situation is being remedied in a very upfront and direct way (at the “enlistment” level).

“Although I tend to be pessimistic, I can only see the military trending more and more leftist/PC over time.”

I have admired the way the church has been working on this problem. Quietly and efficiently. But they are a private organization that has some grounding in scripture. It will be much harder for the military to repair the damage once the fabulous camel has it’s nose under the side of the tent.


392 posted on 12/19/2010 11:22:58 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: SomeCallMeTim
yes.. well, the RULES at my parent's house were a little more clear and consistent.

And, on the occasion that I DID break them... my parents didn't kick me out of the house and change the locks.

I don't know, if you broke the rule and were not punished that sounds inconsistent to me. Also, my example was not a child living at home, but an adult still with their parents.

But then... my parents loved me. Even when I sometimes disagreed with them.

I hope so. But then...maybe you didn't push too hard. The attempt to justify normalizing gay lifestyle is pushing too hard here.

I wouldn't worry too much though, reasonable people understand reason.

393 posted on 12/19/2010 12:50:54 PM PST by fml
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To: fml
I wouldn't worry too much though, reasonable people understand reason

Too often, IMO, on this site... reasonable people don't get a CHANCE to understand reason. They get BOOTED before they get a chance.

That was my point.

394 posted on 12/19/2010 1:58:54 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: SomeCallMeTim
I don't follow. They are booted for being unreasonable or feeling the need to try to convince others of why what is wrong is ok.

The reasonable ones I meant was the owner. I have been threated along with many others many times by posters who imagine things and ask for our zot, as you can see it hasn't happened.

395 posted on 12/19/2010 2:52:50 PM PST by fml
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To: fml
as you can see it hasn't happened.

Where am I supposed to see it?

396 posted on 12/19/2010 3:15:40 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: SomeCallMeTim
Ummmm, I am here. Several posters tattle constantly to Jim when they think someone is not anti-gay enough.

Who gets booted for agreeing with the site policies?? No one that I can see. Jim is tolerant of the discussions, just not of those who justify and agree with special treatment for gay people or those who agree that being gay is to be celebrated.

397 posted on 12/19/2010 5:14:08 PM PST by fml
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To: ShandaLear
IATZ


398 posted on 12/20/2010 11:44:11 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: codercpc
IATZ


399 posted on 12/20/2010 11:45:07 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: codercpc

WRONG. Now the perverts are taking over our military! If a military man now says anything that can even be interpreted as not being for the pervert agenda, his military career may be over! If he even mentions that he disagrees with the lifestyle, his military career may be over in this new hyper PC culture. RINOs are just as culpable as Dems.


400 posted on 10/10/2013 1:44:52 PM PDT by opres
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