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Senate clears way for 'don't ask don't tell' repeal
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Posted on 12/18/2010 9:33:26 AM PST by RatherBiased.com

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To: manc

The coward Kirk’s office will not even take calls. I called McConnell’s office and expressed a need to protect those who chose not to serve with gays. If these people fear the Tea Party so much, the Tea Party needs to rise up and demand, no force, the House and Senate to provide honorable discharges for any military member who is deemed a CONSICENCENT OBJECTOR to serving with openly homosexual military members. No military member should EVER be forced to live with a homosexual against their will.

As my wife will attest, I rarely admit to being wrong and never ask for directions, but this time I was very WRONG. I have meet with Kirk many times while he was a Congressman. I was stupid to believe he would not screw the military, he really is a horses a$$ and never again will I vote for him.


51 posted on 12/18/2010 9:53:39 AM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: pyx

make their names public and target for them to lose their jobs.
I will now in the name of my old friends who died and to those serving will fight them all the way until this is overturned.


52 posted on 12/18/2010 9:53:42 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Walts Ice Pick

Absolutely, and for me that includes ANY person who chooses to risk his or her life for my freedoms.


53 posted on 12/18/2010 9:54:45 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where on Earth is Barack Obama?)
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To: RatherBiased.com
I am going to say something that I am sure will get me flamed....I also won't be on FR for most of the day, so others will call it a hit and run.....but....

I think most here are really overreacting to DADT. Although I, personally, think homosexuality is a sin, I think this isone sin I will let God handle in the afterlife.

I also think divorce, and adultery, are sins but I don't think anyone here would ever say that we can't have a divorced soldier. I also know that the military has, in place, many sexual harassment statutes for their female soldiers, so I think any harassment charges could be handled in that way (if a gay soldier propositions a straight soldier).

Another thing to remember, is that whether we like it or not, most young people (todays soldiers) don't view homosexuality the same way as the older people do. My husband is a Veteran, and 25 years ago when he was a soldier there is no way a gay serviceman would be tolerated. This just isn't the case today (as the recent survey proved).

I just don't think that just because someone is gay, they can't be the best damn soldier in the world. They can be proud Americans, and they can (and do) fight for my freedoms, just as the straight soldiers do now.

As I said, homosexuality is a sin, but let's let God sort it out! Let's let the brave men and women that want to serve our country, serve.

OK, flame retardant suit is firmly in place.

54 posted on 12/18/2010 9:54:56 AM PST by codercpc
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To: Baynative
Great tag line and comment.
55 posted on 12/18/2010 9:55:44 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Voinovich isn’t running again, and Sherrod Brown is a noted liberal, so their vote today on DADT is not going the way I want it to. They don’t care about my opinion.

However, I will not support any of these senators who vote in favor of this in any way and at any time for anything.

No money, no work, not a whisper.


56 posted on 12/18/2010 9:57:11 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: RatherBiased.com

According to Harry Reid, buggery was one of the “values this nation was founded upon.”


57 posted on 12/18/2010 9:57:24 AM PST by EternalVigilance (God always wins.)
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To: manc

no need to post to my post...you have revised and extended your remarks. Thank You.


58 posted on 12/18/2010 9:57:34 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: don-o

Bingo. Go back and look at the roll call for each piece of legislation. Another astute Freeper mentioned on the live thread that DREAM yes votes were probably traded for DADT yes votes.

This vote to move DADT into Senate for passage is nothing more than the group with the most money and power winning.

For all the work so many of us did, what did we really gain in the November elections? I am really starting to wonder...


59 posted on 12/18/2010 9:57:56 AM PST by kozanne
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To: Baynative

men and women can now hold hands on base
Men can now dress as women on base.
Chaplains will be targeted.
DOMA will now be asked to be overturned.
Feds now recognize homosexuality.
Homosexual parties can now happen on base.
Homosexuals can now kiss each other on base.
Homosexuals can now have their queer flags on the wall on base.
Homosexuals can now say and do anything in a shower , in their room etc
The list is endless and the ignorant pro commie homosexuals lovers.supporters say no big frigging deal.

Will we also see homosexuals parades now?
Will homosexual assaults happen?
Will homosexuals be promoted of their homosexual boyfriend or girlfriend?

If anyone thinks this is not the end then wake the hell up as they have done more than enough damage with their ignorance


60 posted on 12/18/2010 9:57:59 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: codercpc

I agree, so flame me too. DADT is a bad policy for both those who are pro and anti-gays serving in the military. Military discipline must be strictly enforced regardless of gender or anything else.


61 posted on 12/18/2010 9:58:22 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where on Earth is Barack Obama?)
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP

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How about a Texas Congressman going on TV and proposing a federal law that all liberals be required by federal law that they must buy and use vegan baked beans, Ex-Lax, and Pampers or be fined $100,000 and subject to 5 years of federal prison time -

No different than Obamacare - and therefore valid under the Green Commode Clause........

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62 posted on 12/18/2010 9:58:54 AM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0ponzi Version 9.8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: Clemenza

Some are better at black male than others.


63 posted on 12/18/2010 9:59:16 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Charles Henrickson

want names and target them to lose their jobs they have sold out our military and their voices were not heard, so screw you cowards who voted for this.


64 posted on 12/18/2010 10:00:04 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: RatherBiased.com

So now the openly perverted and insane will have a role in the defense of this country!


65 posted on 12/18/2010 10:00:37 AM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: codercpc
As I said, homosexuality is a sin, but let's let God sort it out!

My, how magnanimous of you!

So you must not have any qualms at all about letting open homosexuals mentor your young children either...

66 posted on 12/18/2010 10:00:53 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: RatherBiased.com
Our nation is lost to perversion. A grim day. A grim day indeed. This is NOT what our military has fought for over 200 years. Shame on all of those who voted for Sodomy over security today!!!!

Kiss our Best goodbye you traitors!

“THE REAL PENTAGON POLL: 91% OF SERVICE MEMBERS REJECT HOMOSEXUAL LEADERS - 1 IN 4 WOULD QUIT”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2635458/posts

“Message from a Marine: Don’t Break the Military”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2644277/posts

67 posted on 12/18/2010 10:01:53 AM PST by 444Flyer ("The contest for ages has been to rescue liberty from the grasp of executive power." -Daniel Webster)
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To: codercpc
No flames, but obviously you have not served or not recently, while some young military members said they didn't care those who actually carry weapons in combat and face death daily did oppose it. Don't believe what you read, the traitor Mullens spoke up in favor of repeal before the survey went out, it muddied the waters, which is CMC Amos is my hero, he showed character in standing up to Traitors Mullens and Gates. (Traitor is Mullens new rank, to many great men wore the rank of Admiral, he does not deserve it)
68 posted on 12/18/2010 10:02:10 AM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: don-o
I am opposed to profanity on this board - so there is nothing I have to say at the present moment.

Louis Gohmert, a truly Conservative Texan, representing the 1st district (a former member of the A&M Corps of Cadets and ex-Army) predicts the harm this will cause.

I greatly admire Mr. Gohmert and he makes me especially proud of Texas. When listening to the clip cited above, note that he uses the proper term homosexual rather than gay. The deviants are anything but gay (in the rightful sense of the word). They are morally corrupt and miserable individuals. This cancer of depravity should absolutely not be part of our military.

God bless you Louie Gohmert! And as for those traitors who voted for the abomination of a homosexual military...well, "don-o" I agree with your statement.

69 posted on 12/18/2010 10:02:24 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: don-o

I must agree whole heartedly. I expect that homosexuals will continue to be ostracized and segregated in the Military. Boot will be hard(er) on them, peers will not tolerate any shirking and will self-police as needed to weed them out.

The gays that do survive the ritualistic ripping apart of their fabric to be re-assembled as lean, mean fightin’ machines will still be uncomfortable and in the end might leave early...


70 posted on 12/18/2010 10:02:44 AM PST by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO!)
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To: no-to-illegals

thank you as you can tell there is a lot of emotion from me on this.
They have ignored the voices of vets, marines etc because special interests are more important.


71 posted on 12/18/2010 10:03:01 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Lazamataz

Me too. This was obviously going to happen for about the last couple weeks.

The original policy was meant to stop the witch hunts against gays in the military, so frankly I must admit I find it funny how now the right is wanting to keep it.

Don’t get me wrong...I would have preferred to keep it myself. But, it’s just ironic how sides can switch.

This was the wrong move, but infinitely more bearable to me than the DREAM act.


72 posted on 12/18/2010 10:04:15 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: ShandaLear
I want to make it clear, I do not necessarily agree with todays vote. I just don't think that is going to be the end of the world either.

So many people, myself included, have friends or family members that are gay that coming here and reading some of the infantile things that get posted is insulting. I also know, as the mother of a straight, college age student, that being gay really isn't as looked down upon, as with the older generation. Whether homosexuality is a sin (and I think it is) or not, I just don't see it as a sin that it is my place to decide. I think adultery and divorce are much graver sins, as they tend to harm many more people than something two adults may or may not do in the privacy of their own homes.

73 posted on 12/18/2010 10:05:19 AM PST by codercpc
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To: RatherBiased.com
So this will force straight people to shower and live with openly gay people. How is that any different than women and men being forced to shower and live together? Why not remove all barriers and lump EVERYONE together?

Those who are sexually attracted to any other group should be separated. Fairly simple concept.

These fools are one step closer to ruining our military, which is of course what they want.

74 posted on 12/18/2010 10:05:26 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made out of liberals...)
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To: rwfromkansas

For all of you Joe Liberalman lovers, we are having this vote today because of Joe’s stand-alone DADT bill.


75 posted on 12/18/2010 10:05:33 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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76 posted on 12/18/2010 10:05:51 AM PST by Daryl L.Hunter
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To: Alter Kaker

Well....if the “military” is destroyed....you know what that means...


77 posted on 12/18/2010 10:06:15 AM PST by goodnesswins (You deciding how to spend your health care $, that’s freedom. Govt deciding, thats a death panel)
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To: pyx

Senators who vote for homosexuals are the same ones who think 9/11 was a law enforcement issue.

THEY WILL VOTE ON THIS AT 3PM


78 posted on 12/18/2010 10:06:25 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Alter Kaker

This goes against the fighting men and women who defend this country and will only hurt recruiting. Do you think that the fine people of the South and Midwest (the #1 and #2 regions where most of our military come from) will be so eager to have their sons and daughters sign up for a military forced to submit and accept a depravity that stands against all of their social values.

We can only hope that one day people like you pay the price for this treason.


79 posted on 12/18/2010 10:07:14 AM PST by ohioman
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To: RatherBiased.com

A vote for repeal is a vote for an immoral abomination to the Lord God who has blessed this nation. This is a national statement of collaboration in the act of homosexuality, just as legalized abortion is the a statement of collaboration in child sacrifice and shedding of innocent blood.


80 posted on 12/18/2010 10:07:32 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: GRRRRR
The gays that do survive the ritualistic ripping apart of their fabric to be re-assembled as lean, mean fightin’ machines will still be uncomfortable and in the end might leave early...

You're probably right, but they will not leave quietly. There will be plenty of lawsuits and ultimately they will weaken the military ...if not from within, from without, which I feel has always been the goal of the left.

81 posted on 12/18/2010 10:07:32 AM PST by The Citizen Soldier (Obama: All turban, no camels.)
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To: manc
any assholes who supported this have been traitors and upheld the commie manifesto to any who say this is not big deal then get your head out of your ass as this now means they can say they can die for their country but cannot marry therefore they should be overturning DOMA, then it is the law recognized by the feds therefore teach it in schools and then make Revs etc marry them otherwise they are hate crimes

I will donate all my money now to any traitor to the military voted for this in the GOP

Quite a rambling mess. So you will donate all your money - everything you've got - to any traitor? wow. :-)

82 posted on 12/18/2010 10:08:07 AM PST by plain talk
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To: RatherBiased.com

The absolute end of ever again holding any respect for the institution of the American armed forces. Game over.


83 posted on 12/18/2010 10:08:13 AM PST by greene66
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To: Carismar

I would gladly support any portion of the military brave enough to revolt.


84 posted on 12/18/2010 10:09:37 AM PST by ohioman
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To: All

behind the outrage you hear the closing of wallets and the Nations GOP going into bankruptcy from lack of money.

Time to line up the primary knockouts. We defeated castle in a primary, the sitting senators need to be out.

Murky had national GOP support. RINOs who betrayed the military should lose their senatorial committee seats. put them in charge of buggy whips.


85 posted on 12/18/2010 10:12:06 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: codercpc

Please do us a favor and decide not to come back to FR at all. You are part of the problem.


86 posted on 12/18/2010 10:12:33 AM PST by ohioman
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To: Lazamataz
Since the guys and gals in the military don't seem too exercised about it, I can't get too upset about repealing DADT.

Given the choice, I'm glad "DREAM" was the one that failed!

87 posted on 12/18/2010 10:13:47 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: don-o
don-o Thank You for being out of the box with this comment

I am opposed to profanity on this board - so there is nothing I have to say at the present moment.

I concur......and I cannot say what I want to say as well.

88 posted on 12/18/2010 10:13:51 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: RatherBiased.com

“This is one of those moments in our history when we stepped up and squared our policies with the values this nation was founded upon.”

I did not know this nation was founded upon principles of homosexual sodomy; but perhaps, with Harry Reid, that is only “principle” that swells his pride.

I can only pray that Harry Reid’s influence on America is soon curtailed by some act of Divine justice. Woe to the people when their leaders are wicked.


89 posted on 12/18/2010 10:14:07 AM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: manc

I agree, I need the Republican list. This is the fast track to a 3rd rate power.


90 posted on 12/18/2010 10:14:37 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: RatherBiased.com

We are almost to a point in history that will be marked by homo military and pre-homo military. I guess it’s nice that I can proudly say, “I was in the military back before it was homo.”


91 posted on 12/18/2010 10:14:48 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: don-o

The GOP traded their tax cuts for this repeal. Of course they can’t declare that openly. Also, there were a number of democrats who voted against the DREAM act, making it a non-starter.


92 posted on 12/18/2010 10:15:18 AM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Cicero

2012. Especially if there are actual negative effects measurable by then, we can un-do this.

If we can’t see the negative effects, it won’t be repealed. The only thing keeping the policy in place now is the negative impact expected.


93 posted on 12/18/2010 10:15:36 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Cicero

Webb prefers a report to common sense.


94 posted on 12/18/2010 10:15:36 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: All

VOTE IS AT 3:00 PM TODAY!!!

Call senators!!!!

(rinos who vote for cloture closure but vote against repeal think we are that stupid.)

CALL ALL SENATORS!!


95 posted on 12/18/2010 10:15:49 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: codercpc

My straight son’s best friend is gay, my husband’s brother is gay. I don’t support any acquisition of rights based on group affiliation and I am completely against gay marriage. The issue for me is that the current policy does not exclude gays from military service and why should someone who is gay be kicked out of the military just for being gay if they have served with honor? It doesn’t make any sense to me. And it makes less sense to me that we should hate someone just because we don’t like eho they are.


96 posted on 12/18/2010 10:16:03 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where on Earth is Barack Obama?)
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To: RatherBiased.com

>>”This is one of those moments in our history when we stepped up and squared our policies with the values this nation was founded upon.”<<

Yeah right Harry. They looked forward the degradation and forming a country that has the same situation as Sodom and Gomorrah. /s


97 posted on 12/18/2010 10:16:32 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: greene66
The absolute end of ever again holding any respect for the institution of the American armed forces. Game over.

Well, I'm going to continue to support our military as an institution. It's just too important to abandon.

Everything we cherish depends on our military.

In a few minutes, Senators will be arguing in opposition to repealing DADT. I am hoping that today, just seven days before Christmas, at least one Senator will find the time to at least mention our God and the Bible as a basis for opposing this repeal.

98 posted on 12/18/2010 10:16:38 AM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: codercpc

“Another thing to remember, is that whether we like it or not, most young people (todays soldiers) don’t view homosexuality the same way as the older people do. My husband is a Veteran, and 25 years ago when he was a soldier there is no way a gay serviceman would be tolerated. This just isn’t the case today (as the recent survey proved).”

Surveys can be crocked to say whatever the surveyor wishes it to. In this case, the upper brass gave out a survey whose results were meant to be interpreted only one way. Otherwise Gates would not have been so intent on carrying out the will of his master 0bama.

“I just don’t think that just because someone is gay, they can’t be the best damn soldier in the world. They can be proud Americans, and they can (and do) fight for my freedoms, just as the straight soldiers do now.”
Let us just say that it makes it far less likely, being as they are mentally ill narcissists. As far as their being proud Americans- bah humbug. The very fact of being gay pretty much separates them from the concept of natural law, which assumes that there is a Creator, and that His universe is governed by natural laws- one of which is that He created us male and female.

“As I said, homosexuality is a sin, but let’s let God sort it out!”
God also tells us not to condone these things. We are commanded to call this evil what it is and speak the truth.


99 posted on 12/18/2010 10:17:02 AM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: codercpc
As I said, homosexuality is a sin, but let's let God sort it out!

Do not include me in your "let's let God sort it out!" cr*p.

Comparing divorce and adultery with homosexual sex is called moral relative reasoning -adultery is and will still be illegal in the military after this homosexual sex is okay law if it passes -where is your morally spineless outrage since according to your reasoning it is not fair that some sins are treated differently.

Our law should reflect the highest standards NOT the least common denominator. Our laws to be legitimate should reflect and uphold our morality and the natural law -the law of God. A nation under God founded upon the principles of natural law and unalienable rights endowed by the Creator DOES NOT spit in the face of God by calling homosexual sex good and normal. An individual and for that matter a nation does not believe in God and defy Him.

Make no mistake --this is all about legalizing homosexual sex in the military and as well it is about placing those who have no moral compass nor respect for God in charge of defending that which they consider irrelevant...

Sodom and Gomorrah ring a bell?

You can support evil by yourself.

100 posted on 12/18/2010 10:17:07 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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