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Congress Overturns Ban of Gays Serving Openly, Sends Bill to Obama's Desk
Fox News ^ | Dec. 18, 2010

Posted on 12/18/2010 12:48:49 PM PST by Jess Kitting

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To: saneright

As an American, I’m a live and let live guy. As long as they leave me alone, I’ll leave them alone. What people do in their bedroom isn’t my business and I don’t care. We’re not going to be checking to see what soldiers do off duty. As long as they’re on duty they’re governed by regulations on fraternization and inappropriate conduct. That already applies to heterosexuals and it will now apply to gays as well.


151 posted on 12/18/2010 1:46:28 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: elpadre

They will be allowing gays with “partners” to live in family quarters. It’s in the report.


152 posted on 12/18/2010 1:46:55 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Jess Kitting

EVERY DEMOCRAT IS PERVERTED!! AND 8 PUBBIES ARE ALSO.... IMMORAL AND PERVERTED!!!


153 posted on 12/18/2010 1:46:57 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: newzjunkey

If you support the homosexual agenda, then get the hell off of FR!! Continue supporting it on FR beyond this point, newbie, and you will get the ZOT!! Period. End of fricken story!!


154 posted on 12/18/2010 1:47:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: BenLurkin

Even BEFORE that Nov 4 date....when the people elected DEMOCRATS in HUGE NUMBERS!


155 posted on 12/18/2010 1:48:00 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Racehorse

I can’t believe that putting a penis into a poop filled colon is called SEX by these people. The fact it, if they were able to straighten out there twisted minds, homosexuals would realize the reason for want to put their penises anywhere stems from the natural act of procreation with a woman.


156 posted on 12/18/2010 1:48:04 PM PST by NowApproachingMidnight (purple durple lips)
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To: Cheerio

The greatest perversion is that Congress thinks it can change an unnatural act into a natural one.


157 posted on 12/18/2010 1:49:13 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: EGPWS

They did.
She lost the primary.
But Mookowski made a deal with the devil for her seat.
How do you think all those bad write ins happened?
Improperly filled out, mis-spelled name etc etc etc all being counted against Alaska law..


158 posted on 12/18/2010 1:49:26 PM PST by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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To: Inwoodian
I’ve never heard of a real-world homosexual dying to go in the service.

What kind of women do you think enjoy combat boots and blowing things up?

159 posted on 12/18/2010 1:50:13 PM PST by Saint Reagan
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To: apronius

I like your attitude. We are organizing and will win this before it is over. I am adding you to my ping list for Patriots.

Merry Christmas


160 posted on 12/18/2010 1:50:16 PM PST by bray (Sarah Palin will destroy the Repub Party, hopefully!)
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To: central_va; jimrob
IMO this deserves the ZOT.

I agree 100% with you on the need to dis-invite this guest. We're all Jim's guests here and should behave accordingly. It's been made clear that FR is pro-God, pro-life, pro-Gun and opposed to homosexuality in ALL forms. My opinion is that any FR participant (regardless of membership tenure here) who advocates homosexuality in any way disrupts the Conservative nature of this fine forum.

We can certainly have divergent (and often passionate) viewpoints on how best to advocate Constitutional Conservatism. But there are some fundamental, immutable positions upon which we must all form a consensus. All IMHO, of course.

161 posted on 12/18/2010 1:50:25 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: DJlaysitup
Now they may share more... Image and video hosting by TinyPic
162 posted on 12/18/2010 1:50:43 PM PST by imfrmdixie
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To: Irenic

“Now any that are serving in the military, who have a religious or moral belief/objection against homosexuality— they best keep their mouth shut.”

I won’t keep my mouth shut. What’s true is true and I won’t be forced to accept a lie.


163 posted on 12/18/2010 1:50:43 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Racehorse

Maybe they will only court martial HETEROSEXIALS!!


164 posted on 12/18/2010 1:51:05 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Maybe this will stir up enough conservative outrage that it will be an issue for the GOP pres. canadidate in 2012. Repeal the repeal.

But don’t go back to DADT, go back to the pre-Clinton policy.


165 posted on 12/18/2010 1:51:37 PM PST by Little Pharma
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To: Jet Jaguar

I feel sorry for American youth who join the military, they are sooooo used and abused. I wish there was a way for them to better their lives rather than having to submit themselves before this Politically Correct BS PANSY way that is America today.


166 posted on 12/18/2010 1:51:43 PM PST by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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To: goldstategop

You said “As an American, I’m a live and let live guy. As long as they leave me alone, I’ll leave them alone. What people do in their bedroom isn’t my business and I don’t care. We’re not going to be checking to see what soldiers do off duty. As long as they’re on duty they’re governed by regulations on fraternization and inappropriate conduct. That already applies to heterosexuals and it will now apply to gays as well.”

I would agree with that as a system of rights. But we all know that many of the Gays are going to want parades and half naked “diversity days” before long - they will push it as far as they can push it.

Give em an inch....


167 posted on 12/18/2010 1:51:59 PM PST by DJlaysitup
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To: jeltz25
Long ago, I was a lowly E-3 on a waiting list for base housing. The rent where I was stationed was more than excessive.

Higher ranking service members joining the waiting list would take priority.

Now imagine Maj. Tom and and Lt. Mike getting priority over SSgt Lauren and SrA Jim.

Just one issue I see causing problems for the military.

168 posted on 12/18/2010 1:52:43 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (WE'RE SCREWED '08)
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To: goldstategop

So you’re all for those mentally unstable people who commit violent sex assaults?
(Yes, the reports are out there, homosexuals in the military commit violent sex assaults mroe often than their straight peers... imagine that.)


169 posted on 12/18/2010 1:52:43 PM PST by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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To: Saint Reagan

Me...and I’m not a lesbo!


170 posted on 12/18/2010 1:53:37 PM PST by imfrmdixie
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To: Jess Kitting
Coming to a base near you!
171 posted on 12/18/2010 1:53:51 PM PST by NowApproachingMidnight (purple durple lips)
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To: traditional1

Now ndeed, the rescued wretch intended to be lynched might still need to be arrested and handed over to the law,,, but lynching is disgusting.
Vigilantism in this country was honorable,, those committees of vigilence stopped looting after disasters, etc,,crime. But they were not at all the same animal as lynch mobs.


172 posted on 12/18/2010 1:54:17 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DJlaysitup

>>>Give em an inch.... Is that all they want? Hmmm, I thought they liked the BIG ONES? /sarc


173 posted on 12/18/2010 1:54:26 PM PST by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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To: re_nortex

Anyone that doesn’t have a problem with men acting like barnyard animals and putting their penises into each others anuses while wearing a uniform that we all paid for should not be heard on FR.


174 posted on 12/18/2010 1:55:06 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: goldstategop

If you support the homosexual agenda, then get the hell off of FR!! Continue supporting it on FR beyond this point, newbie, and you will get the ZOT!! Period. End of fricken story!!


175 posted on 12/18/2010 1:55:15 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Saint Reagan

“I’ve never heard of a real-world homosexual dying to go in the service.”

“What kind of women do you think enjoy combat boots and blowing things up?”

Sorry, but I really dislike your comment.


176 posted on 12/18/2010 1:55:51 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Dick Vomer
Yes, the unintended consequences are unquantifiable. When I was in BCT I was a squad leader. At 2 in the morning my DI wakes me up and tells me to get Smith and bring him to the DI's office. So I go get Smith who has a swollen right eye when I get there.

We're both in skivvies and standing at attention in front of DI Thorpes desk. Thorpe starts ranting and raving about "queers" in his Army. BTW Thorpe was a tough looking black warrior with thighs and arms the size of tree trunks and a Ranger with 3 tours. Next thing I know I'm standing in a puddle of pee, Smith had peed down his leg. No exaggeration here I assure you, one never forgets standing in somebody elses urine in bare feet.

Turns out Smith had made an unwanted advance in the latrine and got punched in the face for his troubles. Sgt Thorpe tells me to get his personal stuff packed and gives me the guys civvies to get him dressed. Never saw Smith again. We assumed he went to the brig until they out processed him.

I'll be 60 this year and my fear is the guy who would have gone to the brig after the liberals get done is the guy who rightfully punched out Smith.

That is the unintended consequence I am talking about.

177 posted on 12/18/2010 1:55:53 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Jess Kitting

I have news for the half and half who calls himself a Christian. He is going to pay dearly at the Great White Throne for this. He is going to pay with a lake of fire for his eternity.


178 posted on 12/18/2010 1:56:12 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Read, learn, know: 1 Cor 15: 1-4; THAT IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW!)
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To: DJlaysitup
"...why fix something not broken?'

Political agitation to support wider goals. This was never about the 500 or so a year that where kicked out, it's about leverage for more change.

The only change in DADT that should have been considered was giving commanders the discretion not to act in instances of a person other wise following the policy being "outed" for retribution, etc.

179 posted on 12/18/2010 1:56:26 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: tyke
"Since when did this become a "whites only" board?"

LOL

Lighten up, Francis.

I was responding to a post that claimed that since we (heterosexuals) far outnumbered the homosexuals, that made us the rulemakers. In response, I noted that Affirmative action programs for blacks and Hispanics will now include homo's, in that once minority preference status is achieved, benefits unavailable to others becomes the Law.

180 posted on 12/18/2010 1:56:46 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Wicked rulers with evil intent need an immoral military to do thier bidding.

A large percentage of Hitler's brownshirts and SS sinned in this manner before God.

The normal patriotic god fearing Boy-Scout majority types currently enlisted will not fire on or disarm American citizens of the same type.

Gays and liberals HATE Christian "gun nuts".

The time for preparation is coming to and end.

SENTINEL = Eagle Scout, SGT USMC.

181 posted on 12/18/2010 1:57:17 PM PST by SENTINEL (Mormonism...from Ezra Taft Benson to Reid and Romney in only one generation.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Anyone have the names of Republicans voting for this BS?

The usual TRAITORS or course.

182 posted on 12/18/2010 1:57:20 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Darksheare

Then discipline them... can them and fire them if they do something illegal. That’s a rule both straight and gay people live by. The law should apply equally to every one. There should be no special privilege on account of sexual orientation, any more than there is on race, gender, income, etc.


183 posted on 12/18/2010 1:58:13 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: libh8er
Will not allowing gay soldiers to sleep in the same tent or share a bunk bed amount to discrimination?

Excellent question, libh8er. The repeal of DADT has never been about homosexuals serving "openly" in the military; it's always been just another part of the homosexual agenda to normalize their lifestyle. Look at this like a chess game, and know that the homosexual crowd is already thinking ahead 4 or 5 moves. They have anticipated the potential problems that will crop up and are more than prepared to scream "Homophobe!".

It doesn't matter what homosexuals do, how they try and change public opinion (and they may eventually), or how much they work to break down the traditional family struture---God will still consider their lifestyle an abomination. And that keeps them constantly stirred up.

Kharis13

184 posted on 12/18/2010 1:58:53 PM PST by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: goldstategop

“I don’t have a problem with it. Its silly to have to have people hide who they are. I’ve always thought there was a case to be made for banning homosexuality in the armed service but DADT is offensive and hypocritical. Its like saying a woman can be pregnant but she needs to hide it so people won’t have to face it. This is one fight that is now history.”

Are you in the military? I would guess not because you appear clueless.


185 posted on 12/18/2010 1:58:53 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: central_va

>Our fighting men (and women) can handle this.
>
>Zot?

Zot what? The troops have been surveyed and the results are pretty clear - most don’t think this will have any effect (neutral).

The SecDef and JCS have said they support repeal.

So, can anyone tell me why it’s a surprise this was passed?


186 posted on 12/18/2010 1:59:48 PM PST by bigbob (.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

“They will be allowing gays with “partners” to live in family quarters. It’s in the report”

Good Lord!


187 posted on 12/18/2010 1:59:57 PM PST by greene66
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To: Jess Kitting

Two words:

CODE RED!


188 posted on 12/18/2010 2:00:37 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Terry Mross

“If two gay male “sailors” and two lesbian female “waves” get to live together why can’t a straight sailor and a straight wave live together?”

As our future Secretary of Defense, Barny Frank, would say, “Those Mixtht Mawwidges never work.”


189 posted on 12/18/2010 2:00:48 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: ohiobuckeye1997

It was planned from the beginning...either START or DREAM gets pulled or the fag nonsense will.

The dumocraps knew it was a toss up between the 2.


190 posted on 12/18/2010 2:00:57 PM PST by max americana
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To: apronius
My "Senators" are 1) an avowed Socialist (Sherrod Brown), and 2) Asshole Joinovich (Voinovich) who will never-too-soon-for-me be replaced by Rob Portman.

As far as marching in the streets and joining anti-homo groups, there are no groups other than chruch groups now around me that abhor sexual deviant conduct, and we also closely involve ourselves with School Board meetings to see what socialist agenda items they may have up their NEA sleeves.

Law Enforcement has a helluva time now controlling drugs, gangs, and the ne'er-do-well certain inner city population, so also expecting them to quell the "civil disobedience" (which I call the Gay Pride events) is far from the top of their involvement.

Freedom of Association is tops in my list of Freedoms; and if I'm called bigot, racist, homophobe, etc., I wear it as a badge of honor nowadays.

191 posted on 12/18/2010 2:02:12 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: jwalsh07

In the Army we had stockades dumdum.


192 posted on 12/18/2010 2:02:29 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ViLaLuz

Oh well - so what I guess - as long as they keep the the damage control fittings greased and know how to fight a shipboard fire...they can f__k each other in the _ss all they want I suppose.

Thank goodness I’m retired....:-)


193 posted on 12/18/2010 2:03:54 PM PST by DJlaysitup
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To: Jet Jaguar

The problems will be endless. Including many many that im sure we cannot even imagine yet. This will be a disaster. This policy is proof that we have not faced a strong enemy in decades.
Our brushfire insurgency wars have lulled our leaders into a soft mindset.

This will bear it’s true fruit when we fight a true war again. Stalin slaughtered his officer corps in the mid-30s. It wasn’t until the Nazi invasion in 1941, that the weakness he caused in his military was exposed.


194 posted on 12/18/2010 2:04:11 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

A very sad day for our nation, and for our brave troops fighting two wars. We will not forget!

Republican Senators who voted to repeal DADT

Scott Brown (R-Mass)
Susan Collins (R-Alaska)
Mark Kirk (R-Ill.)
Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)
Olympia Snowe (R-Maine)
George Voinovich (R-Ohio)
Richard Burr (N.C.)
John Ensign (Nev.)

Republican Congressmen who voted to repeal DADT

Judy Biggert (R-IL)
Mary Bono Mack (R-CA)
John Campbell (R-CA)
Joseph Cao (R-LA)
Mike Castle (R-DE)
Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL)
Charles Djou (R-HI)
David Dreier (R-CA)
Vernon Ehlers (R-MI)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Ron Paul (R-TX)
Todd Platts (R-PA)
Dave Reichert (R-WA)
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL)


195 posted on 12/18/2010 2:04:15 PM PST by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: Bobby_Taxpayer
I would not have joined the USMC back in my day if open homosexauls were allowed. I have read that the “troops” are ok with it, I find that hard to believe and fully expect recruiting to get a lot harder and a mass exit of straight troops with good job prospects back in the world. Our Congress is so bad, so destructive I fear we are all doomed. Well on the other hand as soon as gov makes the money worthless we will have much bigger things to worry about.
196 posted on 12/18/2010 2:05:14 PM PST by jpsb
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To: ViLaLuz

Are you going to advocate a ban on homosexual behavior in the military? That’s my preferred position. I do NOT support DADT because I think homosexual behavior is a sin.

But if we’re not going to have the courage to do what is right, then this entire debate is pointless. I do agree with JimRob about homosexuality, I just don’t see the point in defending what is effectively a fig-leaf for immoral behavior. My point to fellow conservatives is: change it or move on.


197 posted on 12/18/2010 2:05:34 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: jessduntno

You know of the infamous YouTube video that depicts members of the “global warming” crowd having possession of a small black box that, with the press of a large red button, causes the offending disbeliever to explode?

Conservatives should produce a similar video, only the “box” has a large “blue” button, the activation of which results in the disembodiment of RINOs.

We could post the production on YouTube, then we shall see how the other side reacts, when it is similarly targeted.


198 posted on 12/18/2010 2:05:41 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: bigbob
So, can anyone tell me why it’s a surprise this was passed?

Because the combat arms guys who actually do the fighting, killing and dying overwhelmingly oppose it might be a reason to be surprised.

199 posted on 12/18/2010 2:06:12 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Make that PINK RINOs


200 posted on 12/18/2010 2:06:53 PM PST by Rodm
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