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Congress Overturns Ban of Gays Serving Openly, Sends Bill to Obama's Desk
Fox News ^ | Dec. 18, 2010

Posted on 12/18/2010 12:48:49 PM PST by Jess Kitting

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To: Jeff Head; All
There will literally be hell to pay in the military as this ruling goes into effect.

I am curious -if you do not know the answer maybe anyone reading this can answer?

We see now the States challenging The Federal as far as the health care reform garbage. Can the States as well challenge this nonsense e.g. Do the States set their own eligibility, policy and conduct requirements for the national guard units?

401 posted on 12/18/2010 9:07:35 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: traditional1
We are now moving into the Greek and Roman Empire-like collapse phase of our Country.

Yep.

402 posted on 12/18/2010 9:30:06 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Fantasywriter

Thanks for that information. From what I heard on the news they said this could take years.


404 posted on 12/18/2010 10:19:34 PM PST by matt04
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To: LeoWindhorse
they have no right to compel the United States Armed Forces to accept this

Well, technically they [Congress] do, and therein lies the problem. I agree that this vote is unfortunate to say the least.

If you're looking for silver linings, it will take a considerable amount of time to implement this. That means it's still theoretically possible to reverse it. Tough, though. Once you let the cat out of the closet, as it were, facts on the ground start becoming hard to roll back.

405 posted on 12/18/2010 10:36:17 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Fantasywriter

You haven’t read the Tea Party Quadrennial Report...eh?

It’s a whole new ballgame for the military in the good ole US of A.

Massive Overhwhelming destructive force must be used in all war theaters of military operation.

The Cold War ended twenty years ago...time to drawdown troops from Germany and South Korea.

We need a future President of the United States with the COJONES, if necessary, to sign the order to get the men in the silos with the little brass keys to turn ‘em on and nuke Islamabad,Pakistan if it is deemed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff that IT IS IN THE DIRECT NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO DO SO.

Now...which of the prospective Republican Presidential candidates can briddle that saddle?

And one final note, the United States Military is not a social science ‘laboratory’ for aging Leftists to tinker with...thank you very much...

All cases of Sodomy or Adultery will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the United States Military Code of Justice.

Carry On...


406 posted on 12/18/2010 10:42:26 PM PST by bigoil
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To: matt04

You’re welcome. I just found out there is a sixty day minimum waiting period before anything can be done, even IF the DoD signs off on it. A lot can happen in sixty days. Obama’s approval #s are sinking like a rock through water. If we keep the heat on our senators, who knows? Maybe it will never be implemented at all.


407 posted on 12/18/2010 10:42:58 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Jess Kitting
Time for Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen, to begin the vote with their feet. Meaning when EAOS arrives go home. Openly gays in the ranks doesn't work. For one thing they can't control themselves. For another they are not wanted despite all the hype. Especially on ships where berthing quarters are real crowded. Congress may have the Constitutional authority to regulate the military but they have no right to destroy it or lower morale and morality to a dangerous level.

Since Inauguration day 1989 there has been an ongoing and deliberate effort from every POTUS and most members of both houses to demoralize and destroy our military. The next time our so called leaders want a military response to a conflict Draft only Gays and then put Barney Frank as their Field Commander.

As a two branch of services Vet I would discourage anyone at this point from joining the United States Armed Forces. I could not in good conscience encourage someone to enlist under current terms or our national leadership.

408 posted on 12/18/2010 11:30:38 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Jess Kitting

It’s unfortunate that the lame duck congress managed to sneak this through, but at least it wasn’t another TARP. I’m more concerned about the economic legislation than gays.

In the bigger scheme of things I just can’t bring myself to care enough about homosexuals one way or another. Gays don’t affect me. Economic stimulus does.


409 posted on 12/19/2010 12:04:57 AM PST by Zombie Lincoln (Don't you know it's gonna be alright)
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To: tyke
I don't believe I have ever called a smoker evil...

Well I most certainly will call this particular smoker evil:

On the other hand, this guy makes me want to light up a Marlboro and, like you, I don't even smoke:


410 posted on 12/19/2010 12:45:07 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: Jess Kitting

Wonder how Hussein will stage the signing ceremony? Will Lady Gaga participate?


411 posted on 12/19/2010 1:51:59 AM PST by Dagnabitt ("Obama" - Swahili for "Fail")
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To: livius
Rosary Man Praying
... you have a society that is doing everything possible to destroy its own children.
Yes, the ones that slip by being aborted, need to be destroyed (or their morale attacked) in one way or another, according to the devil, and what better way than through the forced acceptance of the homosexual (hence, his perverse lifestyle?) in a closed setting, that has numbers, numbers, however, the ultimate weapon for battling the gay lifestyle (not the person himself) is very much available to anyone courageous (and man enough) to use it. "The Rosary Is Not For Wimps"; It Is A Lethal Weapon In Combat!

Pray the Rosary for Peace.

"The Wearable Service Rosary is a traditional five-decade rosary that can be worn about the neck. These are VERY popular with the troops!"

The Rosary in Battle (Google search terms).
The Rosary in Battle (Bing search terms).
412 posted on 12/19/2010 1:55:15 AM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued

Ensign outta consider not running. We’d probably have a better chance if that seat is open.

Indeed Princess Lisa’s shackles are off. Alaska Republicans should eject the de facto third party Pork/Abortion Liberals. They have as big a problem as Illinois does with the combine.


413 posted on 12/19/2010 3:18:43 AM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Jess Kitting

...and only 14,000 new unemployed gays lose their jobs! Most democrat laws create unemployment....what century will the dims figure it out! Tis the season!


414 posted on 12/19/2010 5:26:00 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Jess Kitting

The rule of “Unintended Consequences” has just been given full steam!

Watch the lawsuits spring up from this further paralyzing the military.

This is the main intention.

Communists = Democrats


415 posted on 12/19/2010 5:34:08 AM PST by Lessthantolerant (The State is diametrically opposed to our search for a better living.)
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To: DBeers

The states could create their own military establishments, independent of the national guard. Then create a unified command ala NATO, thus creating a nation-wide military independent of Washington’s.


416 posted on 12/19/2010 5:41:28 AM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: BenLurkin
THE REPUBLIC IS DEAD! LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC! R-E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N! WE DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE THE LEFTIST CRAP!!!!
417 posted on 12/19/2010 6:02:05 AM PST by Gomer1066
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To: Stepan12

“I wonder if America needs a Pinochet to straighten things out?

The world’s greatest intellectual, Thomas Sowell, Ph.d, warned that there may come a day when the American military just won’t take it anymore.”

The Roman Emperor Caligula was assassinated in 37 A.D. by the commanding officer of his own Praetorian Guard just after Caligula changed the password for all Roman soldiers stationed anywhere in the Empire to, “Kiss me!” which implied all Roman troops were homosexuals.

Every organization has a breaking point.


418 posted on 12/19/2010 6:14:27 AM PST by Gomer1066
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To: NewEnglander

So the solution is to bring in a Democrat instead of this RINO? A true conservative isn’t going to win in Massachusetts.


419 posted on 12/19/2010 6:32:47 AM PST by imfleck
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To: imfleck

They do not exist in the Northeast. Even if they state they are Conservative, they are usually not as Conservative as their counterparts in the South and more conservative parts of this country.


420 posted on 12/19/2010 6:35:57 AM PST by seoul62
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To: IrishCatholic
This will be used to hammer gay marriage nationwide and invalidate any state opposition. That’s the purpose. That’s the goal.

--bears repeating.

421 posted on 12/19/2010 7:00:51 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Jess Kitting

On reflection, this does not really surprise me but it is one of the saddest days in my memory.

The country has become Politically Correct with diversity and affirmative action ruling the day.

I am one of those older conservatives who has witnessed a decline in our morals and honesty.

There was a time when Hollywood was run by conservatives and movies like the Greatest Story Ever Told were made and “shown” on television.

There was a day when our children, myself included, conducted a daily, morning prayer in school.

There was a day when Generals like George Patton were revered and honored.

Now, I’m told the old ways of family, God, Chivalry and manhood are relics of the past.

I’m afraid the once great U.S. military has become a home to political correctness, affirmative action and weakness.

May God help us...


422 posted on 12/19/2010 7:09:00 AM PST by Lonely Are The Brave
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To: Lonely Are The Brave

Why would God help a country that has turned it’s collective back on Him?

A sad day for America - the end is near.

Come soon, Jesus. Amen!


423 posted on 12/19/2010 7:12:19 AM PST by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: Jess Kitting

Hey Scott, hope your enjoying your (abreviated and short-lived) ONE TERM as a US Senator

I pray ‘we the people’ field a good candidate to challenge


424 posted on 12/19/2010 8:06:50 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: Gomer1066
The Roman Emperor Caligula was assassinated in 37 A.D. by the commanding officer of his own Praetorian Guard just after Caligula changed the password for all Roman soldiers stationed anywhere in the Empire to, “Kiss me!” which implied all Roman troops were homosexuals. Every organization has a breaking point.

It is really something. Even the Germans did not vote Hitler into office (though he was later confirmed by a plebiscite afterward). Even the Bolsheviks did not win election when the Bolsheviks held an election in the early 1920s, but we elect an enemy of America gifted with utter incompetence here.

An election is not an audience vote on "American Idol." I hope Americans will learn that sometime.

425 posted on 12/19/2010 8:50:56 AM PST by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: matt04
"...From what I heard on the news they said this could take years."

But the psychological effect on our Troops and their morale is immediate. That is the intention of those hellbent on this evil inflicted upon them.

426 posted on 12/19/2010 8:59:43 AM PST by 444Flyer ("The contest for ages has been to rescue liberty from the grasp of executive power." -Daniel Webster)
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To: Jess Kitting

As I’ve been saying for a long time. It’s time for the military to bunk everyone together. Male, female, gay or straight. If everyone in the military is the color of olive green, navy or sky blue, everyone in the military can be genderless.


427 posted on 12/19/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: airborne
Why would God help a country that has turned it’s collective back on Him?

A sad day for America - the end is near.

Come soon, Jesus. Amen!

Amen, Airborne. I believe our nation has crossed the final rubicon here. :(

Once you go down this road, short of a Ninevah-type repentance, there is no turning back.

Even Ninevah was eventually destroyed when it once again, turned its back on the Lord.

428 posted on 12/19/2010 9:23:23 AM PST by 444Flyer ("The contest for ages has been to rescue liberty from the grasp of executive power." -Daniel Webster)
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To: Stepan12

Allow any Tom, Dick, Harry, or Jane to vote and low life like Obama you get as president...Restrict the franchise to property owners and military veterans and giants like George Washington you get as president.

This is a REPUBLIC not a democracy - no one has a right to vote. The right to vote must be earned by either hard work or service to the REPUBLIC.


429 posted on 12/19/2010 9:46:32 AM PST by Gomer1066
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To: Jess Kitting

This will be corrected down the road.


430 posted on 12/19/2010 10:17:50 AM PST by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: Baladas
This will be corrected down the road.

Agreed.

431 posted on 12/19/2010 10:49:14 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Our congress should pass a bill to go along with the don’t ask don’t tell that will cover all manner of sexual perversion’s .
For the troops that like bestially we will have new barn’s erected on all military bases for all the little critters to be housed in.
There will also be motel’s for the use of prostitute’s as the lady of the night need not to be out on the street’s .
There will play ground’s and parks for the pedophile’s to indulge their pleasures on the children In and around our bases,
Let’s not forget those troops that like there mother , sisters , brothers , we need special places for this incest.
For those in the navy ,we will have the same thing for them on a new fleet of ship’s called the love boats.
Homosexuality, fetishism, transvestism, zoophilia, pedophilia, exhibitionism, voyeurism, sexual masochism, sexual sadism, and “atypical paraphilia”.
Where will it stop after all under the constitution are not these rights to be protected the same as gay’s life style

What could possibly go wrong?


432 posted on 12/19/2010 11:52:35 AM PST by Country Patriot
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To: goldstategop

Yup, you’re for homosexuals and their mental disorder.
Thanks for confirming that!
Now I know how deluded you are.


433 posted on 12/19/2010 12:17:04 PM PST by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Those 8 Republicans yesterday convinced me I no longer have a home in that party. Not only am I leaving the GOP, the GOP already has left me.

Screw ‘em. I’m done with that party.


434 posted on 12/19/2010 4:51:17 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: LeoWindhorse

According to the Constitution they do.


435 posted on 12/19/2010 5:23:16 PM PST by DemonDeac
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To: TCH

Why? Wouldn’t this place be an absolute bore if every single person said the exact same thing?


436 posted on 12/19/2010 5:24:55 PM PST by DemonDeac
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To: traditional1

You can’t honestly be calling for lynching, can you? If so then you should be in an institution.


437 posted on 12/19/2010 5:25:56 PM PST by DemonDeac
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To: traditional1

You can’t honestly be calling for lynching, can you? If so then you should be in an institution.


438 posted on 12/19/2010 5:26:05 PM PST by DemonDeac
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To: Jess Kitting
The new salute:


439 posted on 12/19/2010 5:29:39 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: ScottinVA

well, you’re brilliant, so whatever new home you find will sure to be successful.


440 posted on 12/19/2010 6:01:04 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: Gomer1066

You’re all too correct. I don’t even recoginize this country anymore..


441 posted on 12/19/2010 7:28:37 PM PST by LeatherDad
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Mark Kirk of Illinois
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
George Voinovich of Ohio
Richard Burr of North Carolina
John Ensign of Nevada
Scott Brown of Massachusetts
Olympia Snowe of Maine
Susan Collins of Maine

Kirk is a squish RINO who we have there merely to have blocked Giannoulias and eventually assume the majority and committees. Other than that, rely on him only to B.S. you about how great he is.
Murkowski will be with us for 6 more years, unless Miller’s hobbled lawsuit prevails. What a disappointment. Or, we could get lucky when she decides to visit constituents by bush plane Ted Stevens style....
Voinovich is retiring, so this is a big Chuck Hegel-style F-you vote. No, F-you George. You will not be missed.
Burr, flipping after cloture vote, I have no idea how to explain. I would guess he has a family like Cheney or Gingrich.
Ensign flipped too like Burr, maybe has a nose for what gays might do to his re-election in a state willing to re-elect Reid. Not waiting around to find out (see below).
Brown is a special case perhaps. Trying to keep the Kennedy seat in Taxachussetts must be tough. It will be tougher after this because his tea party backing is now probably slashed in half.
Snowe, we predicted this.
Collins, ditto.

Who is up for re-election on the Republican side?

I think the top 3 below need primary challenges owing in part to this monstrosity that will insinuate gay marriage legally around the country through the courts via the back door of the military (pardon the obvious pun, but it works).

[Aside: How? Differential pay treatment for married folks in the military. It will be a civil rights issue if the state they are from allows their marriage, but the military doesn’t recognize it in re: pay. Lawsuits ensue, and you can see how this plays out. A court order from a Berkeley judge will instruct the Pentagon to respeck marriage in all 50 states and territories. Don’t get me started on AIDS, or naturalization or partners, or adoption, or artificial insemination.]

John Ensign of Nevada (this lying marital cheater / bribing extortionist needs to find other work)
Olympia Snowe of Maine (this one like her other Maine sister is like a scab that will not heal: chronic, infected, and you keep picking at it hoping for new skin underneath that never grows. Cure: rip off the scab with needlenose pliers and debride with a wire brush and alcohol)
Scott Brown of Massachusetts (some say this is a special case, I say he will learn quickly that people like me would rather give money to Deval Patrick out of pure spite than sweat whether he feels like deigning to give us a cloture vote....he will be made far less consequential in about 2 weeks anyway, what McConnell calls “breathing room” in the new Senate.)

Richard Lugar of Indiana (he is wrong on START and is a fossil, would somebody please challenge this pr1ck?)

Roger Wicker of Mississippi
Bob Corker of Tennessee
Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas
Orrin Hatch of Utah
John Barrasso of Wyoming
Jon Kyl of Arizona (Making noises like he may not stick with us; based on age, I hope he taps a winner to replace.)

I don’t have a ton ill to say about the last 6, but let me point out that people have been saying Hatch is Bennett, and he just isn’t.


442 posted on 12/19/2010 8:59:25 PM PST by hausermann (Barackus Primus Libertatis Malleus)
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To: Stepan12

Ever see “Seven Days In May” with Frederic March and Burt Lancaster? I used to think it could never happen here, but now I’m not so sure.


443 posted on 12/20/2010 5:00:53 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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To: traditional1

I am going to claim to be a gay black man with vitiligo and progressive alopecia who only acts heterosexual because I am mentally confused. What can I get for that? Oh, I will need some very dark contact lenses to cover my Caucasian eyes.


444 posted on 12/20/2010 6:38:02 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: Stepan12

Thomas Sowell is an intelligent man, not an “intellectual”.


445 posted on 12/20/2010 6:40:29 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: Terry Mross

That comes under, “Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.”


446 posted on 12/20/2010 6:49:03 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: RipSawyer
Sounds like a PLAN !

You can get in with the crowd below!


447 posted on 12/20/2010 6:52:38 AM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: ScottinVA

I’m done now with the GOP, thought long and hard over the weekend with my wife and now my wife and I have had it with the cowardly GOP, talk show hosts like Hannity, TV shows hosts etc.

We will not watch them, listen to them, give them money and do a boycott of their shows.

FOX can piss off too BTW.

If the likes of Hannity etc had been talking and showing videos of their parades, folssom fair etc then asked their followers to have made calls then this could have been different
But now to say they back our troops but can’t even help our troops due to their fear of being called a name is disgusting .

GOP, you never stood against them , you always wanted to appease the homosexual agenda.
If you had got your acts sorted you would have noticed most of the country does not want their agenda, nor their marriage, nor their repeal of don’t ask etc.

You were all spineless and let them take the conversation and debate to how they wanted it.


448 posted on 12/20/2010 9:07:40 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: manc
Then there is the print media...
449 posted on 12/20/2010 9:14:18 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

true as for the civil rights victory well seeing as we are not giving equal and civil rights based on what turns folks on sexually and how they get off will we also now give civil and equal rights to those with 9 wives, have sex with animals etc?
Hey after all it would be discrimination if we did not and we can’t have that now can we.

You are right about print media too.

All of them can go to hell now and they certainly will not get any money off my family.


450 posted on 12/20/2010 9:21:32 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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