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Senate Passes Bill to Lift Military Gay Ban
WSJ On-Line ^ | 12/18/10 | NATHAN HODGE

Posted on 12/18/2010 1:13:48 PM PST by Pontiac

The Senate Saturday repealed the military's ban on gays serving openly in the military, by overturning the policy known as "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

Senators voted 63-33 to advance the bill to the floor, passing a 60-vote procedural hurdle. Final passage Saturday afternoon was 65-31.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 0bamacare; 0bamanomics; 0bamaqueer; dadt; gayagenda; homosexualagenda; showandtell
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1 posted on 12/18/2010 1:13:51 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: GOP_Lady; Swordmaker

Ping


2 posted on 12/18/2010 1:14:56 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac
They did this after they were dis-elected.

Disgusting.

3 posted on 12/18/2010 1:16:40 PM PST by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Pontiac

Years ago, when I was younger and — argueably — more foolish than now, I loved a lady. We had a young daughter and had started another child. I was looking forward with happy anticipation to that second child but my lady was not. Instead, she saw that child as an embarassment to be avoided so she chose to abort it. Of course, I had no say in the matter — the father never does — so I sat at home with our daughter, watching the clock and waiting.

Since then, I have learned of a man and a woman whose son was condemned to death for a terrible murder. They too sat home, watching the clock and dying inside. I think I know how they must have felt.

Today I sat at my computer, watching the vote in the Senate with much the same feeling of dread and overwhelming sadness at the impending doom of our country.

Oh, I know that the end of DADT won’t kill America but with the Healthcare monstrosity, which will never be repealed, only “modified”, plus all the lesser bills, rules and regulations already in the pipeline to “fundamentaly change America”, the greatest country in the history of the world will, within a generation, be reduced to third-world status alongside such luminaries as Kenya, Bangladesh and Haiti. By that point we may be reduced to asking for aid from the likes of France and Italy.

I think I’ve lived too long.


4 posted on 12/18/2010 1:17:31 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


5 posted on 12/18/2010 1:20:27 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: oldfart
I think I’ve lived too long.

Thanks to the Democraps, Obama and the Obama Health Care Act you don’t have to worry about that much longer.

6 posted on 12/18/2010 1:22:36 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac

Basically the military considers all recruits as gays who need to become real soldiers and men, but this means this policy is done.

I know some gay but manned up soldiers who are mad as hell their new peers will have to be “respected”, treating them as if they had to play the begging dogs.

The liberal power fantasy goes on to its destruction.


7 posted on 12/18/2010 1:23:00 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Pontiac

Being ex military I don’t think this is the catastrophe many would believe except in a political way (it’s a loss for our side and yes the American people). Soldiers have their own way of handling these things and those of you who served well know what I mean.


8 posted on 12/18/2010 1:23:16 PM PST by 101voodoo
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To: oldfart

Sadly, many younger people have been conditioned for the last 30 years for this transformation. Many really don’t comprehend what it means to have economic liberty and other freedoms. They fear their government and are more than happy to conform. This road only leads to tyranny. I hope to be dead when America dies with a whimper.


9 posted on 12/18/2010 1:24:17 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: 101voodoo

I call B$, on that.


10 posted on 12/18/2010 1:26:40 PM PST by itsahoot (We the people, allowed Republican leadership to get us here, only God's Grace can get us out.)
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To: oldfart

Today is the second time I have felt the same way as you are now. Health care was the first. I sit here and watch the Nation spin down the hole thru debts that will never be paid, a marxist take over of the Govt. and now sanctioning homosexuality. I joined with thousands of Americans last November to protest and remove from power these people only to be stabbed in the back by my own party. I to am just sick.


11 posted on 12/18/2010 1:26:40 PM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Pontiac

Well, this gives the Taliban and Al Qaeda something else to be pissed off at us about. If I were still in the military, I’d make sure that they’d never capture me alive.


12 posted on 12/18/2010 1:28:32 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all of my FReeper FRiends!)
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To: Pontiac
The whole meme about a ban is BS, there was NO ban, only requirement was to keep their mouth shut about where they want to stick it.

Why do the Republicans always let the dimwits control the dialogue?

13 posted on 12/18/2010 1:29:25 PM PST by calex59
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To: Pontiac

If I was soldier, I could live with the knowledge someone was gay. I don’t care if they’re doing it, as long as they don’t make it MY business. Live and let live.


14 posted on 12/18/2010 1:30:51 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pontiac
Now will the lift the ban on chaplains who are now restricted as to Christian worship services?
16 posted on 12/18/2010 1:31:50 PM PST by maine-iac7 (We Stand Together of We Fall Apart)
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To: Pontiac

When they reveal the vote tally we need to keep a record so we know who to hold accountable when the gay lobby lawsuits start flying because someone was reprimanded for having sex in the shower or showing up in drag at the Px while off duty.


17 posted on 12/18/2010 1:33:13 PM PST by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: Pontiac

If I was soldier, I could live with the knowledge someone was gay. I don’t care if they’re doing it, as long as they don’t make it MY business. Live and let live.


19 posted on 12/18/2010 1:33:43 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
If I were still in the military, I’d make sure that they’d never capture me alive.

When they take prisoners they don’t seem to keep them long. Just long enough to make a video.

They are savages and barbarians (not really worthy even of that name).

20 posted on 12/18/2010 1:34:12 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: goldstategop

But you aren’t a soldier, probably never have been....but you sound a lot like a butt boy


21 posted on 12/18/2010 1:37:45 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: 101voodoo
Being ex military I don’t think this is the catastrophe many would believe except in a political way (it’s a loss for our side and yes the American people). Soldiers have their own way of handling these things and those of you who served well know what I mean.

Life can be made miserable for undesirables in ways that the Msgts,Chiefs and Gunnys will never know about let alone the officers.

22 posted on 12/18/2010 1:37:45 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: calex59
Why do the Republicans always let the dimwits control the dialogue?

Considering what you say is true I think you are using the pejorative to refer to the wrong party.

The US has two political parties the evil party and the stupid party.

I am a member of the stupid party.

23 posted on 12/18/2010 1:38:12 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac

I am late but was going to put up the Christmas Tree and decorations this weekend. Won’t bother now. Just the Nativity scene. I’m now rebelling against all aspects of secularized, paganized, no-longer-Christian AMeRiKa.


24 posted on 12/18/2010 1:38:15 PM PST by steve86
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To: calex59

“Why do the Republicans always let the dimwits control the dialogue?”

Apparently because they are also dimwits.


25 posted on 12/18/2010 1:38:50 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: itsahoot

Bullshit on what? that it is no big thing or that the soldiers will take care of the problem?


26 posted on 12/18/2010 1:38:54 PM PST by 101voodoo
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To: Pontiac
It's best for our military.

We can now scare our adversaries to death on the battle field.

Tah...lay down your arms you silly rascal...this is so precious...tah...I'll be friend with you, okay? Tah...

This is sooo silly...tah, don't hurt me and we can be friends...tah

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27 posted on 12/18/2010 1:39:01 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

Thanks for the insult... this is why the DADT lost. When you ridicule people instead of making a case against homosexuality, you’ve lost the battle. Our military will survive it.


28 posted on 12/18/2010 1:39:56 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: JudgemAll

In so few words, you say it all. I served; and I’m sure I served with gays. I didn’t know it, and we all had the same standard.

And I saw it on another post, but if I’m under fire (and was) I don’t give a flying shite who’s next to me as long as they are ready to get the job done.

Bottom line - what you said: The military considers all recruits as gays who need to become real soldiers !

If the change in policy means this don’t happen anymmore, well, there you go.


29 posted on 12/18/2010 1:40:07 PM PST by onona (dbada)
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To: calex59

“Why do the Republicans always let the dimwits control the dialogue?”

Because a lot of repubicans in congress are ALSO SOCIALISTS, now do you understand?


30 posted on 12/18/2010 1:40:07 PM PST by stockpirate (Sen. Mitch McConnel (R) has betrayed the Nov. 2, 2010 voters w/his tax bill!)
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To: Pontiac
To the Republicans and Democrats who voted yes for this bill, you have been warned: You will lose your seat at the election in 2012. (To those who are not up for election in 2012 --> an elephant never forgets.)

To Obambi: If you sign this bill, you, too, will lose your seat in 2012.

Your sin: You have disrespected the very people who have been the backbone of your freedoms.

I am involved now. I NEVER lose. --> Just ask John Kerry (2004)

31 posted on 12/18/2010 1:40:37 PM PST by xtinct (The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you..Be Strong Patriots!)
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To: goldstategop
I don’t care if they’re doing it, as long as they don’t make it MY business. Live and let live.

That's part of the problem. This will give misfits a shield to hide behind... gays will be "protected" from any criticism of anything they do or don't do. Want to criticize a gay soldier for not wanting to pull his own weight in any task? You're a "homophobe" and will be disciplined.

This repeal is not their end-game... this is their opening salvo.

Very bad move by our "leaders".

32 posted on 12/18/2010 1:40:37 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: steve86

“I am late but was going to put up the Christmas Tree and decorations this weekend. Won’t bother now. Just the Nativity scene. I’m now rebelling against all aspects of secularized, paganized, no-longer-Christian AMeRiKa.”

Steve, don’t let these political whores in DC spoil your Christmas. Many will win that way. Don’t let them control you.


33 posted on 12/18/2010 1:41:06 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: steve86

Don’t you love how the perverts vomited their perversion all over the nation right at Christmas season?


34 posted on 12/18/2010 1:41:33 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Pontiac

Great now Homograham (R) can proclaim his gayness to everyone.


35 posted on 12/18/2010 1:42:47 PM PST by stockpirate (Sen. Mitch McConnel (R) has betrayed the Nov. 2, 2010 voters w/his tax bill!)
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To: goldstategop

No, it’s not live and let live. Allowing that type of abomination in this country is what destroys a civilization. It’s one more step of family break up. If you want an example of what can happen to countries or cities that allow and even condone that type of activity you may want to study up on Sodom and Gomorrah.


36 posted on 12/18/2010 1:42:54 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Pontiac

When I was in the military (before DADT) I served with a few gays. Good guys, all of them, and good sailors. I had a gay corpsman cut a chunk of mangled arm off me and sew it up really well.

However, none of these guys put their sexuality out in the open. I liked to think of it as “don’t care, don’t tell.”. I’m more than a little worried that now there going to be gay pride parades on military bases. Seriously.


37 posted on 12/18/2010 1:44:17 PM PST by oldleft
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To: oldfart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur30bn_3G58


38 posted on 12/18/2010 1:44:25 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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This isn’t undermining our military? Guess who provided Assange with all the Wikileaks data...a poor confused gay boy...this is phony politics geared at destroying those who risk their lives and give their lives to defend the country...now with the legalizing of sodomy and bestiality in our military, we’ll see what the brave men and women who serve will be focused on...fighting wars or fighting perversion in the ranks. Our politicians are fools. They will rue the day that they let this happen. Our military has just been weakened. That’s what Obama wanted. The weaker the military the easier it will be for the socialists to take over the country...why with gays at the helm of the military they may turn on the straight citizens, wouldn’t they...?


39 posted on 12/18/2010 1:45:01 PM PST by Chuck N
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I spent most of my adult life in the military. I’m not at all thrilled at the news, but we’ve survived other attacks on the institution, I’m sure that we’ll survive this.


40 posted on 12/18/2010 1:45:57 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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Final passage Saturday afternoon was 65-31.

So we most certainly have documented proof that we have 65 heretics in the Senate. I really feel sorry for the Marines and other military men and officers that will take the brunt of this vile law. ...very sad day for our military and our country.

41 posted on 12/18/2010 1:46:15 PM PST by olezip
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To: goldstategop

Several have gotten the zot already today for taking your position. I would proceed with caution.


42 posted on 12/18/2010 1:46:48 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Don Corleone; 101voodoo

Spot on. Seen it first hand with the druggies.

They we singled out like they were at a cattle drive, hogtied, and branded.

Justice was


43 posted on 12/18/2010 1:46:55 PM PST by onona (dbada)
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To: Pontiac

In principle, I don’t care if gays serve or not, and actually think DADT was a good compromise.

However, now that it has been over-turned, this is going to open a whole can of worms:

Federally recognized gay marriage in the military, death and spousal benefits, bringing homos from overseas as life partners, open gay housing on military barracks with gay couples living like married couples and everything that goes along with it.

Plus, if being gay is the same thing as being heterosexual in terms of sexuality, why would straight men or women want gays ogling them all the time?

Are we going to do away with separation of male and female quarters also and have just have one big happy non-genderized love fest?

The military’s object is to defend the United States; it isn’t about despicable liberal social engineering and turning our culture upside down in deference to cultural Marxism.


44 posted on 12/18/2010 1:47:51 PM PST by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: Pontiac

This goes out to all the conservatives
who refused to vote for McCain (the
dastardly RINO that he is):

You get what you vote for.

Cheers!


45 posted on 12/18/2010 1:49:08 PM PST by WKTimpco (Traditional Values Counter Revolution)
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To: CynicalBear; goldstategop

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING !!


46 posted on 12/18/2010 1:49:15 PM PST by onona (dbada)
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To: steve86
It’s your faith do what you want.

What the symbol means to you is more important than the historical origin of the symbol IMO.

Consider the origin of the cross; a instrument of torture and execution. Now a symbol of redemption.

47 posted on 12/18/2010 1:50:01 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Don Corleone

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman is going to have to change his harangue a bit. Yeah, you know the one.

So the left thinks that the military is just a half-assed jobs program for people who have no options, but they’ll move mountains to get the small minority of our population that is homosexual into it.


48 posted on 12/18/2010 1:51:30 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Pontiac

Its called an ABOMINATION! America sanctions sin.


49 posted on 12/18/2010 1:52:41 PM PST by RocketRoland
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To: CynicalBear
I don't approve of homosexuality. Yet I feel the government shouldn't muck around in people's personal lives as long as they don't harm themselves and others. I want gay people treated as they would want to treat me. We live in a country that prides itself on being civilized and decent. Look at the way they treat gays in the Middle East. We're not going to lose America by acknowledging what's always been the truth: some people are gay and that's how they live their lives. This repeal law won't change it.
50 posted on 12/18/2010 1:52:53 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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