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Gays in the Military (by Lt. Col. Oliver North)
National Review ^ | Dec. 7, 2010 | Oliver North

Posted on 12/18/2010 2:48:10 PM PST by Innovative

Obama's social experiment would have devastating effects on the finest military force the world has ever known.

At issue is a pending vote in the Senate on repealing Section 654 of Title X of the U.S. Code. This law, on the books since 1993, states: "The presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability."

The authors acknowledge that 67 percent of all Marines, more than 60 percent of special-operations personnel, and 57 percent of soldiers in Army combat units believe changing the law would hurt military efficiency, unit cohesion, readiness, and retention. Overall, 35 percent of service members deployed overseas said that changing the law in current circumstances would have a negative impact on combat effectiveness. And, perhaps most telling, nearly one-third of all those who are now part of the best-educated, best-trained, and most-combat-experienced military in history will consider "getting out" rather than serve side by side with openly homosexual men or lesbians.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; dadt; dadtrepeal; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; north; obama; olivernorth; ollienorth
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Once again, Obama and Congress (including some RINOs without conscience) undermine our military, homeland security and defy the will of the American people putting the agenda of a small group of activists ahead of the will of the troops and the American people.
1 posted on 12/18/2010 2:48:12 PM PST by Innovative
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To: Innovative

When your approval rating is in the teens, you just don’t care. We’re getting closer to a time of pitchforks and torches.


2 posted on 12/18/2010 2:51:15 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Innovative
Obama's social experiment would have devastating effects on the finest military force the world has ever known.

That's their agenda.

3 posted on 12/18/2010 2:51:15 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: Innovative
Congress would be better without gays serving there too.

Can't think of a good one I've ever heard of in Congress.

4 posted on 12/18/2010 2:51:33 PM PST by Paladin2
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Bump!


5 posted on 12/18/2010 2:52:24 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Innovative

How hasd this worked out in with the IDF? I remember reading an article in the NYT which said (of course) that all was hunky-dory but haven’t read anything on gays in the israeli forces for a long time.


6 posted on 12/18/2010 2:53:19 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: Innovative

“The military should have as much say
as you Americans. ... NONE.”

7 posted on 12/18/2010 2:53:43 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Innovative
The economy near depression, the military stuck in Obama's never ending wars and extended beyond their ability and the last act the US Congress prioritized before the Christmas break is repeal of Bill Clinton's double-minded, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"? MERRY CHRISTMAS FORM THE DEMOCRATS; "Come here soldier and scrub my back!". The enemies of America have just been handed the victory they have long dreamed of, a divided military. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." A. Lincoln حفظ الله أمريكا
8 posted on 12/18/2010 2:53:54 PM PST by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: Innovative

Once again I would like to add that this FIGHT is not over; We conservatives in the next Congress need to call Congressional-Hearnings; and really highlight to both the Military and the Public (as well as the elites in the media), the REAL and negative effects this will have on our military..

Does anyone have any links to how this has effected the British Military or others..?


9 posted on 12/18/2010 2:55:42 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: Innovative

Mighty fine looking drapes you’ve put up there, Soldier. Thank you, Sir, I sewed them myself.


10 posted on 12/18/2010 2:57:04 PM PST by JPG (Sarah dedicated her new book to Trig: "I'm glad you're here.")
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To: Innovative

Putting the agenda of a small group of activists ahead of the will of the American people is what this administration is all about.


11 posted on 12/18/2010 2:57:07 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah

MORAL ABSOLUTES *(ping)


12 posted on 12/18/2010 2:57:43 PM PST by JSDude1
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And, perhaps most telling, nearly one-third of all those who are now part of the best-educated, best-trained, and most-combat-experienced military in history will consider "getting out" rather than serve side by side with openly homosexual men or lesbians.

It bears repeating, the goal of the LEFT is to weaken and destroy the combat effectiveness of America's military.

Any senator that supported this repeal did so willingly and knowingly.


13 posted on 12/18/2010 2:59:27 PM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: pyx

So at the Marine Corps Ball, we’ll have lesbos doing the cha-cha and the queers doing the tango.

Makes me wanna puke up codfish bones.


14 posted on 12/18/2010 3:03:10 PM PST by ak267
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

What good are pitchforks and torches when the military cannot even defend itself, neither at Fort Hood nor in the shower? Homosexuals and Atheists have left the foxholes and taken over our liberty.

The core of this issue is not about so called, “homosexuals” but about the First Amendment right to dissent. Anyone who does will now be guilty of “discrimination”.

Your “government” has just taken sides in the age old debate on original sin and the government sided with the sinners. Objection=discrimination.

Discrimination against believers in the word of God are now guilty without trial. The official persecution has just begun.

Your fate is now in the hands of Janet Nepolitano, Ellen Degeneress, Lily Tomlin et al.

There will be no mercy from those who are already willfully separated from God.

Merry Christmas from the Rinos and Democrats. Sodomy in our rear ends without the decency of consent or lubricant. Merciless fascism.


15 posted on 12/18/2010 3:04:03 PM PST by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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16 posted on 12/18/2010 3:06:29 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: squarebarb
... I remember reading an article in the NYT which said (of course) that all was hunky-dory ...

Remember this guy ?

The charges again this homosexual is that she/he/it distributed
classified documents to places like WikiLeaks.


17 posted on 12/18/2010 3:06:54 PM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Innovative

To put it bluntly. “This sucks.”


18 posted on 12/18/2010 3:07:49 PM PST by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
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To: ak267

Bingo. Gay Marriage and repealing DADT officially normalizes homosexuality. As such, gay military personnel now will be able to show gay affection openly, including at formal dances and other events. Whether or not they will actually do it remains to be seen but any objection to it will be seen as discrimination or even a hate crime.

What a mess this is going to be, and what incredible idiots in congress for forcing this. They have indeed unleashed a pandora’s box.


19 posted on 12/18/2010 3:10:09 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: Innovative

For many years - everyone who enlisted to serve in the military was required to read a statement that the policy of the military was that the gay lifestyle was antithetical to military, and would be a cause for discharge from the military.

IMHO - this represents a “contract” - a condition of service - that goes BOTH WAYS.

If the Congress decides to drop that contractual requirement, then perhaps everyone presently serving in the military should be given the option to ask and receive an honorable discharge from military service - since Congress has changed the contract!

If we loose 30% or more of our military - so what. It’s not like we have a country worth fighting and dying for any more.


20 posted on 12/18/2010 3:10:36 PM PST by Vineyard
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To: Paladin2

“Congress would be better without gays serving there too. “

Congress consists mostly of cowards who look for political cover for every vote.


21 posted on 12/18/2010 3:14:29 PM PST by Starboard
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To: pyx
"Any senator that supported this repeal did so willingly and knowingly."

You mean they bent over for it.

PC be damned...I will NEVER hesitate to express my opinion of homosexuality...I have just as much right to my opinion as they do, and they will NEVER, EVER shame me into acceptance.

22 posted on 12/18/2010 3:16:34 PM PST by Mich Patriot
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To: JPG

“Mighty fine looking drapes you’ve put up there, Soldier. Thank you, Sir, I sewed them myself.”

What do you thay we bivouac together tonight?


23 posted on 12/18/2010 3:19:16 PM PST by Starboard
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To: pyx

nearly one-third of all those who are now part of the best-educated, best-trained, and most-combat-experienced military in history will consider “getting out”

When 1/3rd of the military quits..it makes us weaker for sure. Who’s gonna replace them?...the gays...I think not.


24 posted on 12/18/2010 3:23:25 PM PST by justkillingtime
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To: Innovative

Bump.


25 posted on 12/18/2010 3:30:15 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: pyx

The list of targets for the election of 2012 is getting larger & clearer.

Every person that voted FOR this abomination should not survive the next election for their seat.


26 posted on 12/18/2010 3:32:18 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Mich Patriot

PC be damned...I will NEVER hesitate to express my opinion of homosexuality...I have just as much right to my opinion as they do, and they will NEVER, EVER shame me into acceptance.””

AMEN—You are not alone with that thought.


27 posted on 12/18/2010 3:33:58 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: HerrBlucher

As such, gay military personnel now will be able to show gay affection openly, including at formal dances and other events.

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I can’t imagine this happening at the Marine Corps Ball. At one we attended a tipsy grunt was dancing a bit wildly and was dressed down by a superior for it. They keep them in line. Or did, anyway. This could be a real disaster.


28 posted on 12/18/2010 3:34:36 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: pyx
"Do ask, Do tell."

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29 posted on 12/18/2010 3:37:05 PM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: pyx

This “guy” looks a lot like a young Lindsy Graham, don’tcha think?


30 posted on 12/18/2010 3:43:51 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Innovative
Gives a whole new meaning to the following dialog common to Parris Island ... my alma mater.

DI: You eye balling me maggot?

Recruit: SIR ... NO ... SIR!

DI: I don't believe you fluff ball.
You're queer for me boy ... aren't you?

Recruit: Batting his eyes ... SIR ... YES ... SIRRRR!

31 posted on 12/18/2010 3:47:24 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: Innovative

What’s next? Legal protections for school teachers to act on their “genetic” desires to screw underage students?


32 posted on 12/18/2010 3:48:05 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: jazusamo; Innovative

North ping


33 posted on 12/18/2010 3:53:29 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: jazusamo; Innovative; JSDude1
Already posted and list-pinged on the Dec 7th.

Gays in the Military Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:14:54 PM by JSDude1

Not policing duplicate threads, Innovative. Just pointing out the false alert to jazusamo.
34 posted on 12/18/2010 4:00:08 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Innovative
The US Army if liberals and RINOs have their way....


35 posted on 12/18/2010 4:04:20 PM PST by indcons (Lurker mode off)
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To: Vineyard

Great idea Vineyard; Please propose this to your local Congressman if they are supportive of your position, if not find a friendly in your current state or the one next door.

-J.S.

~We have to find ways to combat this-figuratively since this would not be a time for puns-THE VERY EXISTENCE of our nation could rest in our hands, unless we want to end up like Rome~


36 posted on 12/18/2010 4:09:14 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: ridesthemiles

December 18, 2010, THE DAY THE LEFT DECLARED WAR ON THE US MILITARY, and Conservatives fought back-this WILL be reversed, but we must fight back and WE WILL win!


37 posted on 12/18/2010 4:12:39 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: squarebarb
This one served in the IDF, but they sent him back to the US...


38 posted on 12/18/2010 4:15:16 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: JPG

I predict an increase in the number of blanket parties. Do you want to be the crewmate of an active pair on a sub? Won’t our Navy be just like the British, but without the rum?


39 posted on 12/18/2010 4:44:53 PM PST by steve8714 (Never again should free men be asked to fight for those without the courage to turn them loose.)
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To: Innovative

In the combat arms, the queers are going to rue the day they “won” this legislation. AWOL and desertion rates for faggots will go up because they’ll be buried out on range 116 East.

For the congress - every last one of you - you are beneath contempt for what you have done to the best armed forces the world has ever known. You shall reap your just rewards in hell for this.

JMHO, of course.


40 posted on 12/18/2010 4:45:25 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (All sweat, no equity)
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To: Innovative
I noticed that the talking heads said that this vote "could pave the way" to homosexuls serving openly in the armed forces. I thought this vote made it done deal. Also, if this is just a repeal of DADT, then does that mean that the armed forces revert to the pre-DADT policy? What was the language of the repeal?
41 posted on 12/18/2010 4:46:42 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Only butch...


42 posted on 12/18/2010 4:47:43 PM PST by steve8714 (Never again should free men be asked to fight for those without the courage to turn them loose.)
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To: squarebarb
"How has this worked out in with the IDF? I remember reading an article in the NYT which said (of course) that all was hunky-dory but haven’t read anything on gays in the israeli forces for a long time."

Israel has a conscript army, so pretty much everybody has to serve in some capacity (apart from religious exemptions).

However, openly gay troops are kept in separate IDF units, usually performing rear support functions.

43 posted on 12/18/2010 4:48:45 PM PST by cookcounty (December 31st is coming.....STOP the Democrats' Midnight Tax Jack-Up!!)
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To: JSDude1
"Once again I would like to add that this FIGHT is not over; We conservatives in the next Congress need to call Congressional-Hearings;

I followed a good chunk of the hearings on CSPAN. With the exception of Inhofe, the Republicans were completely unprepared with their questions. Serious, obvious, fundamental questions about this issue and the study WERE NOT EVEN ASKED.

44 posted on 12/18/2010 4:52:48 PM PST by cookcounty (December 31st is coming.....STOP the Democrats' Midnight Tax Jack-Up!!)
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To: Cementjungle

“What’s next? Legal protections for school teachers to act on their “genetic” desires to screw underage students?”

Pedophelia is the next taboo the perverts are breaking. We’ve already been told that “intergenerational relations” are healthy.


45 posted on 12/18/2010 5:04:25 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: cookcounty
".....usually performing rear support functions. "

Stop it! You're killing me here.

46 posted on 12/18/2010 5:09:48 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Innovative
Its' very clear what Christians MUST DO!!! Christians know why homosexuals are homosexuals, and how to solve the homosexual problem.

It's no longer possible for Christians to be a part of the military, or support the military.

For our Heavenly Father will NOT TOLERATE this rebellion for long, until He rewards them ... according to their works!

Those who OBEY and BELIEVE Jesus Christ and His Heavenly Father,

Your future depends on it, ..."that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out."
47 posted on 12/18/2010 5:12:43 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: ViLaLuz
Pedophelia is the next taboo the perverts are breaking. We’ve already been told that “intergenerational relations” are healthy.

I'm sure. After all, it's just "genetic" so we should all embrace such behavior, right?

48 posted on 12/18/2010 5:20:44 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Innovative

It is no accident that with the most leftist regime in our History (even worse than Wilson), the degrading of the military is a prime objective of the democrats. Pondscum is more to be tolerated than democrats.


49 posted on 12/18/2010 5:24:36 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: steve8714
I predict an increase in the number of blanket parties.

Me too.

But, something tell me that the words "blanket party" ain't gonna mean what it used to!

50 posted on 12/18/2010 5:28:01 PM PST by PalmettoMason (It's easy being a menace to society when WAY OVER half the population is happy being sheep.)
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