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Posted on 12/18/2010 3:11:51 PM PST by jazusamo
Complete title: Military Should Expressly Prohibit Heterosexuals from Using Separate Showers from Homosexuals After Repeal of DADT, Says DOD Working Group
A special Defense Department working group appointed by Defense Secretary Robert Gates has recommended that the military should expressly prohibit heterosexuals from using separate showers, bathrooms and bunking facilities from homosexuals when the repeal of the law banning homosexuals from the military goes into effect.
The working group has also recommended that commanding officers be left with the authority to exempt individuals from using the same showers, bathrooms and living facilities as homosexuals, but only on a case-by-case basis.
The House voted earlier this week and the Senate voted this afternoon to repeal the military ban on homosexuals, which has often been referred to as Dont Ask, Dont Tell.
The working groups Nov. 30 reportReport of the Comprehensive Review of the Issues Associated with a Repeal of Dont Ask, Dont Tell--concluded that permitting heterosexuals to use separate showers, bathrooms and bunking facilities from homosexuals of the same gender would stigmatize homosexuals and be reminiscent of separate but equal facilities for blacks prior to the 1960s. The working group was co-chaired by Jeh Charles Johnson, the Defense Departments general counsel, and U.S. Army Gen. Carter F. Ham.
In the course of our review we heard from a very large number of Service members about their discomfort with sharing bathroom facilities or living quarters with those they know to be gay or lesbian, said the report. Some went so far to suggest that a repeal of Dont Ask, Dont Tell may even require separate bathroom and shower facilities for gay men and lesbians. We disagree, and recommend against separate facilities. Though many regard the very discussion of this topic as offensive, given the number of Service members who raised it, we are obliged to address it.
The working group said that having homosexuals use different bathrooms and living facilities from heterosexuals would not only create a logistical nightmare but would be discriminatory.
The creation of a third and possibly fourth category of bathroom facilities and living quarters, whether at bases or forward deployed areas, would be a logistical nightmare, expensive, and impossible to administer, said the report.
And, even if it could be achieved and administered, separate facilities would, in our view, stigmatize gay and lesbian Service members in a manner reminiscent of separate but equal; facilities for blacks prior to the 1960s, said the report.
Accordingly, the report concluded, we recommend that the Department of Defense expressly prohibit berthing or billeting assignments or the designation of bathroom facilities based on sexual orientation. At the same time, commanders would retain the authority they currently have to alter berthing or billeting assignments or accommodate privacy concerns on an individualized, case-by-case basis, in the interests of morale, good order and discipline, and consistent with performance of mission.30 It should also be recognized that commanders already have the toolsfrom counseling, to non-judicial punishment, to UCMJ prosecutionto deal with misbehavior in either living quarters or showers, whether the person who engages in the misconduct is gay or straight.
The report also said a survey of more than 115,000 active duty service members indicated only 29.4 percent would take no action if they were assigned to share an open bay shower with a homosexual.
The other 70 percent of service members answered this way when asked what they would do if assigned to an open bay shower with someone they believed to be a homosexual: 25.8 percent said they would use the shower at a different time than the homosexual, 17.7 percent said they would talk to a superior to see if they had a different option, 11.1 percent said they would have a discussion with the other person to see how they would handle the situation, 7.9 percent said they did not know how they would handle the situation, 7.0 percent said they would do something else, and 1.3 percent said they would talk to a chaplain, mentor or leader about how to deal with it.
The report acknowledged that in focus groups conducted for the working group a frequent concern expressed by some Service members was personal privacy in settings where they may be partially or fully unclothed in the presence of another Service member they know to be gay or lesbianfor instance, shared showering facilities or locker rooms.
However, the report concluded that the concerns that heterosexual service members in this regard were based on stereotypes about homosexuals and stated that homosexuals have learned to avoid making heterosexuals feel uncomfortable or threatened in situation [sic] such as this.
The report argued that heterosexuals and homosexuals shower together every day in college and high school gyms and in professional sports locker rooms and that it should be no different in the military.
Here again, we are convinced that separate bathroom facilities would do more harm than good to unit cohesion and would be impracticable to administer and enforce, said the report. Concerns about showers and bathrooms are based on a stereotypethat gay men and lesbians will behave in an inappropriate or predatory manner in these situations. As one gay former Service member told us, to fit in, co-exist, and conform to social norms, gay men have learned to avoid making heterosexuals feel uncomfortable or threatened in situation [sic] such as this. The reality is that people of different sexual orientation use shower and bathroom facilities together every day in hundreds of thousands of college dorms, college and high school gyms, professional sports locker rooms, police and fire stations, and athletic clubs.
The report quoted the adverse sentiments of a number of service members who participated in focus groups where they indicated they did not want to have to shower, use the bathroom or roommate with homosexuals.
I live in the barracks and I dont think that it would go over well in that kind of environment, one service member told a DOD focus group. Im concerned about how people would treat that individual.
In the privacy side of the thing, theyll have to make some changes to the current infrastructure, [for example] privacy stalls in the bathrooms, said another service member.
I do not have to shower or sleep in a room with men so I do not want to shower or sleep in the same room as a woman who is homosexual, said a female service member. I would feel
uncomfortable changing and sleeping as I would if it was a man in the room. I should not have to accept this.
Tell him if he hits on me I will kick his - - -! said another service member who participated in a DOD focus group.
I had hoped that “fragging” was a term that our military would never hear again. Perhaps the elitists in DC should think very carefully about the limits of their power before they do yet another stupid thing.
This is unbelievable.
Yes, and following this logic, all males and females in the service should be forced to shower together as well!
Another indication the world is almost 100% bass-ackwards.....”Good is called bad; bad is called good.” and insanity is normal.
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A special Defense Department working group appointed by Defense Secretary Robert Gates has recommended that the military should expressly prohibit heterosexuals from using separate showers, bathrooms and bunking facilities ...”
Then, women and men will not be seperated either? When you got someone who is sexually attracted to you, naturally or unnaturally, and remove any and all barriers to intimacy, you get what this law calls for .. a free for all.
And what will they do with the Bi- and Tran- sexuals that the libbies always include in their official nom de merde, LGBT?
This gives new meaning to the old adage:
“Don’t bend over to pick up the soap!”
Let me just say this to the gay freaks. I would be very careful about letting the government document your abnormalities. There may come a day when health care cost grow to a point where a final solution must be implemented by purifying the population. Not possible you say, well I once thought we would never give up our freedom with out a fight. Now I know anything is possible.
Anotherwords, Muslims won't have to shower with homosexuals (unless they want to - wink, wink) but Christian and Jewish soldiers will.
It has everything to do with weakening our military by lawsuits, threats of lawsuits, and creating discomfortable situations within our uniformed services, and inviting good soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines to leave and be replaced by...(use your imagination).
It also has to do with destroying the military traditions and culture.
It has precisely nothing, NOTHING to do with gays. (Actually, one could argue that gays are being used and taken advantage of for the dark purposes of weakening and corroding our precious military.)
And, most vets, just like me, feel the same way.
That’s food for thought.
The Death Panels won’t just be for old people.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
The smart ones who want to honorably serve their country will keep their sexual preference secret. But this is nothing but a way to punish people for not bowing to the homosexual agenda.
The homos will now be able to do a little recruiting of their own in our military. This is sick. The U.S. Congress is nothing but a bunch of sick bass turds. Wake up America!
THIS is untenable. Stand by for a reinstatement of the draft, because I can easily imagine a mass migration out of the service, if this continues.
And it begins...
Next week: Sensitivity training and indoctrination seminars.
So much for all of those posters who do not believe that this issue is one that will gravely, if not fatally, harm our military, our society and our ability to defend this country. I am stunned by this latest development.
Get with the program, program!!
Gods this is terrible. You watch that 70% vote with their feet.
That DOD Working Group is in fact Gate’s Working Group, a complete sham.
Welcome to the Pink Corps.
We have a lot to look forward to;
The Sunday Times - UK
The army came out in style this weekend when it launched a recruitment drive aimed at tempting more gays, lesbians, transvestites and even transsexuals into the ranks.
It set up a recruitment stall at the Gay Pride festival in Manchester, backing its new-found commitment to homosexual rights by sending 10 gay and lesbian soldiers in combat trousers and tight T-shirts to join thousands of marchers on a five-mile parade through the city.
They strode out behind a float put together by the RAF, which was also recruiting. Themed on a fighter jet, it featured an oversized cockpit and a banner proudly proclaiming, “RAF rise above the rest”.
At the stall, the men in uniform, complete with medals, mingled with eager would-be recruits, one dressed in tight leather shorts and a pink cowboy hat.
The social agenda nuts didn’t learn from Bussing blacks into white schools & neighborhoods-——In Los angeles, it caused White Flight out of the L A School district. The blacks didn’t learn anything better than before. The cost of the busses & drivers & fuel and maintenance cots millions of dollars. It was and still is a fiasco.
Now they will decimate the military with this law.
I predict a mass resignation by all branches of the military when their current tours are up.
Those who are in for 15-30 eays will leave & tht will be an instant BRAIN DRAIN of the finest of the finest in the world.
I agree. My guess is that the lawsuits (discrimination, unequal accommodation, spousal rights, etc.) begin as soon as the ink has dried. The military will be unable to extricate itself from all the litigation. We will be defenseless.
All I can see is the fiends in human form in DC and other positions of power are cruisin’ for a bruisin’.
And I mean by mother nature.
Indeed, “code pink” will be the new “code red”. This problem will be dealt with by those directly involved. No worries there. My advice to homosexuals is don’t buy the hype...you’re better off making dresses, cutting hair, or interior decorating. Oh, and making movies.
It can and I believe will have a lot to do with the ones having an LGBT agenda and by repealing DADT it gives them the inroad.
Wait until the homosexuals start wanting on base quarters together as couples. Housing for families will be interesting when you turn society upsidedown. There are enough issues for couples in the military. This will become a huge problem. Congress shloud have left don’t ask don’t tell in place. They have now opened a pandora’s box. How much time did Scott Brown really serve on active duty? I am thinking he was never in the trenches much.
Just as the old media ignored the impact of the homosexuality of PFC Manning, no stories will appear there of the harm done to the best fighting force in history. Still, the word will get out despite an old media blackout.
In 2012 the homoerotic rat party will wish it was 2010 all over again.
“I’ll venture a guess the accident rate for in-your-face homosexuals in the military will high.”
And sometimes fatal.
Robert Gates, under Republicans or Democrats, was and is a NWO Marxofascist tool.
Did they repeal article 125 or the UCMJ?
Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
ART. 125. SODOMY
(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.
(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
Not just accidents, but any number of murderous, violent crimes that have *NOTHING* to do with their homosexuality. Not a bit. No sir.
Because if the homosexual is beaten to death because of their perversion, the entire command will be punished, and likely there will be extra punishment for the murderer; instead, the homicide will be blamed on anything else.
And even the murderer will agree that getting the typical 3 years for homicide in the course of robbery is far better than 7 years because the victim was in a “protected class.”
Apparently, BTW, not “protected” enough.
The truly funny thing is that the big advocates of having homosexuals in the military do not care one bit if those homosexuals who are identified are murdered. In fact, the advocates are probably all in favor of homosexuals being murdered by soldiers, because the advocates can then call them “martyrs”.
Martyrs for the cause of forcing the homosexual agenda on others.
The bottom line is that many in our military are very capable in inflicting destruction and harm to the enemy. All the repeal of DADT will accomplish is for “the enemy” to be redefined.
“The enemy” will now be al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and homosexuals.
Expressing regret that he will soon be forced to retire from the Guard, Brown has said: "I'm probably one of the most qualified soldiers in the entire Massachusetts [Guard].... I have enlisted service, I have infantry, quartermaster, JAG, I'm airborne qualified, I've been to all the courses."
He has not served in Iraq or Afghanistan, but Brown said he was prepared to go if called. "I go where they order me to go... I'm just proud to serve and be part of the team." He spent ten days to two weeks with the Guard in Kazakhstan and a week in Paraguay.
Pure evil and degeneracy have now taken hold of our military. No decent Christian or moral citizen should have anything to do with the institution. That it comes to this, as a lifetime supporter of the armed forces, makes my jaw drop. But that’s the reality of the times.
The very large number be damned, the political directive was handed down.
Just as perverse as some guy saying, I won the election and so I do not have to qualify as prescribed by the Constitution.
Perhaps the military now realizes the Lakin case was decided a few days too soon.
I guess they had better start letting men and women bunk and shower together too, then. Why not? I thought the point was to not have the distraction of being attracted to each other get in the way of living the Military life. I am heartbroken for straight men in our Military. They are the latest casualty in the Great Socialist Social Experiment.
Shitstorm in progress. Gates is a disgrace and should be run out on a rail!
That’s why soap on a rope was invented!
SO much to say about this:
I would ask this....are heterosexual soldiers or marines required to shower, or share barracks with those who are naturally attracted to them, i.e. women? Of course not. In fact, it is not allowed because it is assumed that these men would be focused more on getting with the women than doing their jobs. But somehow, it’s okay ...in a voluntary military...to require men to share quarters with those who are attracted to men. Somehow, heterosexual men are stereotyped as unable to control themselves when seeing a naked woman....but we are to believe that homosexual men are above all that...they all know how to behave themselves in these situations. IN the meantime, we have Private Manning who traitorously uploads military secrets because he is upset about a love gone bad...and no one hears about it. BUt then....Obama wants to reduce the military anyway, so threats of people leaving don’t bother him in the least. Gives more money to his social programs
maybe start the fragging in D.C.
Gates, Texas A&M called. They want you to take their name off your resume.
AMEN to that!
Noone can convince me that Gates didn't stay on for this very reason, he and Zer0 deserve each other.
You might want to sit down for this one (if you're not already). Here is WA State, they have been replacing old National Guard armories with newer facilities. It's bad enough that these facilities are shared with civilian agencies. Worst still, in at least one new armory I know of, there is a single locker room for both genders. I am serious. Evil is afoot in America.
PS-I hate ‘working groups’. They are nothing but a vehicle to give cover to and pretend to validate what ‘community organizers’ already want anyway.
I think every “yes” voter should get a rubber dildo in their stocking, and perhaps a male blow-up doll with back door entry. They’re a bunch of girly-men afraid to stand up for our military (but apparently not afraid to bend over for it). K-Y jellies all around!
During Viet Nam many gays admitted they were gay to avoid being drafted. Now it will be straight people who will object and rightfully so. Will the courts rule that a man must live and shower with another man who wants him sexually? Not saying this will always be the case but you know it will come up every now and then. No pun intended.
Gates, and all 8 alleged Republicans who voted for this abomination.