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Senate Repeals ĎDonít Ask, Donít Tellí
New York Times ^ | DEcenber 18, 2010 | Carl Hulse

Posted on 12/18/2010 6:57:49 PM PST by lbryce

The Senate on Saturday voted to strike down the ban on gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, bringing to a close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced thousands of Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep secret their sexual orientation.

By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining Democrats, the Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the Clinton-era law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” a policy critics said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that treated gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class citizens.

Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge to reverse the ban, and said it was “time to close this chapter in our history.”

“As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced that making this change will only underscore the professionalism of our troops as the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world has ever known,” he said in a statement after the Senate, on a preliminary 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block final action on the repeal bill.

The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with the end of racial segregation in the military.

It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that determined the policy could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit cohesion and retention, though members of combat units and the Marine Corps expressed greater reservations about the shift. Congressional action was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative to a court-ordered end.

Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to abolish what they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable personnel and forced troops to lie to serve their country.

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Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to abolish what they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable personnel and forced troops to lie to serve their country.
If they are so concerned about those having to lie to serve our country, they ought to start with Congress where lying in service to your country is an art form.

“We righted a wrong,” said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, the independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort to end the ban. “Today we’ve done justice.”
No, you have wronged a right. Today, you have done an injustice.

1 posted on 12/18/2010 6:57:51 PM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Join the Army - test positive for AIDS/HIV - draw 100% disability for the rest of your miserable life.

If you don’t believe me check the VA regulations.


2 posted on 12/18/2010 7:02:20 PM PST by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: lbryce

65 of our elected representatives voted to destroy the United States military, disrespecting those that have served in harms way and those that have sacrificed for this Nation. If we do not vote each and every one of them out of power we deserve to lose this Nation.........


3 posted on 12/18/2010 7:03:44 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA
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To: lbryce
"voted to strike down the ban on gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military"

vs

"the Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the Clinton-era law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,”

So which is it? Did they end the ban or did they repeal DADT?

Like the 13 month extension of unemployment that still has some fox news guests claiming the 99 weeks is now 155 weeks...there seems to be some confusion on what was actually done here.

4 posted on 12/18/2010 7:04:21 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be ustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: lbryce

It’s called orientation for a reason. It’s under your control.


5 posted on 12/18/2010 7:04:51 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: lbryce

Prepare for a reactivation of the Selective Service System.The Only way the military is going to meet its manpower needs is with a Draft.That was Probably the plan all along.

I hope I’m wrong because I wouldn’t want my child going into that circus.


6 posted on 12/18/2010 7:05:31 PM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: lbryce

Well, the Military just had too many dedicated, senior NCO’s, you know, the ones who are going to retire now. We’ll be much better off with a bunch of Marine Gunnery Sergeants wearing skirts leading the attacks on the National Republican headquarters.


7 posted on 12/18/2010 7:07:06 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: lbryce

This will effectively decimate the U.S. Military. Honorable men will not want to live with sodomites who view them as easily-accessible prey.


8 posted on 12/18/2010 7:07:13 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Onward to the battle royal!)
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To: lbryce

In anticipation of the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, in 2007, the Pentagon prepared a list of new or reinterpreted nomenclature and practices familiar to many older veterans. The gay EM who supplied Wikileaks sent us a copy just before his arrest. Some of the more interesting items are below.

All marching commands ending in “March” will now end in either “MINCE” or “SWISH,” at the option of the individual issuing the command;

The command “Right dress right,” will be replaced with “Right strapless evening gown, allrighty;”

Due to the distinct possibility that it may be misinterpreted, the command “To the Rear March” will be replaced with “OK, Fellas, Turn Around;”

Marching cadences employing “Jodie” will now replace that archaic appellation with the more metro-sexually appropriate “Brucie:”

The humorous but now out-dated phrase “Drop your c**ks and grab your socks” is to be replaced with “Drop your c**ks and grab the fella’s over there;”

A “Junk on the bunk” inspection will now allow a soldier’s “junk” to actually be displayed on his bunk;

If it will not interfere with “his” duties, a “Latrine Queen” may wear a pair of high heel pumps if they are OD in color;

The rank of “Private” will be replaced with “Newby.”

For those still smoking, as it could lead to serious unit cohesion break-down, the phrase “Field strip that butt” will no longer be used.

As we did deeper into the documents we were provided, we will add other changes.

PS: A bonus INVESTMENT TIP: Buy shares in firms that manufacture SOAP-ON-A-ROPE!


9 posted on 12/18/2010 7:07:46 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: lbryce

It’s painful to see the destruction of this country by “elected” officials. No quarter must be given to all the bastards that voted for this repeal. Any rino that tries to justify this kind of crap must be run out of the party. We start with the scum rinos that voted with the rest of the traitors in the rat party!


10 posted on 12/18/2010 7:08:18 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (Fire all the damn rino!)
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To: lbryce

Why isn’t anyone talking about the possibility/probability of overturning it in the House when our new folks get in there in January?


11 posted on 12/18/2010 7:12:22 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: lbryce; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; Impy; campaignPete R-CT
>> “We righted a wrong,” said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, the independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort to end the ban. “Today we’ve done justice.” <<

I wonder what happened to all those freepers who proudly donated to Al Gore's running mate and boosted about it on FR. We never hear from them anymore. How are the donations to the "Independent" workin' out for them? Conrad Burns, Jim Talent, and George Allen sure could have used that money instead of the socialist they helped elect.

12 posted on 12/18/2010 7:17:56 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: lbryce

Did any Republicans vote for this?


13 posted on 12/18/2010 7:18:44 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: lbryce

Make no mistake, this was a vote that codified, and etched in stone, the now unstoppable American decline. America is finished.


14 posted on 12/18/2010 7:20:10 PM PST by Obadiah (BHO -- out the door in 4!)
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To: puppypusher

“Prepare for a reactivation of the Selective Service System.The Only way the military is going to meet its manpower needs is with a Draft.That was Probably the plan all along.”

Well, then we can throw the “Hell no, we won’t go” thing right back at them.


15 posted on 12/18/2010 7:21:23 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: puppypusher
I wouldn’t want my child going into that circus.

Same here. Until this week I thought it would be good for my son to enter the military; I even thought about preparing him to apply for West Point. Now I don't want him going anywhere near the military.

I'm not so worried about gays hitting on the straight guys - there probably won't be more than a handful of gays who actually will serve - but there will now have to endless sessions of "diversity" and "sensitivity" training, and the few gays who do enter the service will spend all their time creating incidents. I've seen it all happen in corporate America in the last 15 years, and now it's going to happen in the armed forces.

It's no big deal when all this crap happens in the business world, only money is at stake, but it's different when people's lives are on the line.

And one more thing, the main recruiting ground for the armed forces has been conservative families. Red State conservatives have been the backbone of the service. At one stroke, that is undercut. A lot of conservatives will now discourage their children from serving. And in exchange for what? A handful of gay mascots? We really can't afford that. God help the USA. Now the shield of our armed forces has been cracked.

16 posted on 12/18/2010 7:22:34 PM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: lbryce

GODs Watching


17 posted on 12/18/2010 7:23:49 PM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: lbryce

Thing that gets me is that most work in America is “at will” employment.

So if you wander in to work and brag about your sexual conquests or openly discuss your sexual proclivities, you can be fired! No recourse!

So why should the armed forces not be able to set their standards?

Once again, this is NOT about equal rights. It is about THE GAY AGENDA which is to FORCE US TO BELIEVE that what they do is normal and acceptable.

It is not normal. And they themselves know that. That’s why they are trying so hard to get acceptance from us. THEY KNOW IT’S NOT NORMAL!!!


18 posted on 12/18/2010 7:24:56 PM PST by djf (Touch my junk and I'll break yur mug!!!)
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To: CincyRichieRich
Why isn’t anyone talking about the possibility/probability of overturning it in the House when our new folks get in there in January?

Even if the House passed the law, the Senate would vote it down. If the Senate were to pass the law, Obtuse would veto it.

19 posted on 12/18/2010 7:27:14 PM PST by Know et al
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To: lbryce; Jim Robinson
It is unlikely that the new Congress will be able to re-institute DADT anytime soon. So, in the spirit of helpfulness, I have some amendments I would like to see Congress pass.

1. All males who have openly declared themselves to be homosexuals shall report for HIV screening each year on the anniversary date of enlistment. Failure to report shall result in a reduction of one rank and 50% of pay for each month the member fails to report.

2. All females who have openly declared themselves to be lesbians shall report for psychological counseling each year on the anniversary date of enlistment. Failure to report shall result in a reduction of one rank and 50% of pay for each month the member fails to report.

3. Any enlisted member who receives unwanted sexual advances from another enlisted member of the same sex who has openly declared themself to be homosexual or lesbian shall have the absolute right to file a complaint directly to the senior enlisted member of the command. If there is a true finding of the unwanted sexual advance, the person found guilty shall receive a bad conduct discharge and loss of benefits. Failure to adequately investigate allegations of unwanted same sex advances shall result in a reduction of one rank and pay reduction of 50% for one year to the senior enlisted member who is responsible for conducting the investigation.

4. Any officer who receives unwanted sexual advances from another officer who has openly declared themself to be either gay or lesbian shall have the absolute right to file a complaint directly to the senior officer of the command. If there is a true finding of the unwanted sexual advance, the person found guilty shall receive a bad conduct discharge and loss of benefits. Failure to adequately investigate unwanted same sex advances shall result in reduction of one rank and 50% reduction in pay for one year for the officer who is responsible for conducting the investigation.

5. Anyone who retaliates against a service member who files a same sex complaint shall be punished by courts martial.

The libs just love sexual harassment complaints. Let's see if they love THESE types of complaints.

20 posted on 12/18/2010 7:28:36 PM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: BillyBoy

I always suspected that Lieberman is a queer.


21 posted on 12/18/2010 7:30:30 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: lbryce

Make them wear a pink beret.


22 posted on 12/18/2010 7:32:50 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Enterprise

Yup. This is going to open up one huge can of buttfugly. Idiots have finally totally FUBAR’d the military.


23 posted on 12/18/2010 7:33:27 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: satan; SECURE AMERICA; icwhatudo; Rembrandt; backwoods-engineer; ABQHispConservative; ...

I have some helpful suggestions. See post #20.


24 posted on 12/18/2010 7:36:28 PM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: lbryce
HR2965 Bill renamed "Don't Ask Don't Tell"

New Text here __ http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR02965:

Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---65
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Brown (R-MA)
Burr (R-NC)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Coons (D-DE)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Ensign (R-NV)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kirk (R-IL)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
NAYs ---31
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Not Voting - 4
Bunning (R-KY)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Manchin (D-WV)

25 posted on 12/18/2010 7:38:06 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: satan

Aren’t tests done for HIV before basics/boot?


26 posted on 12/18/2010 7:38:22 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: lbryce

HR2965 Don’t Ask Don’t Tell

As passed by Senate

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR02965:


27 posted on 12/18/2010 7:39:34 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Jim Robinson

My prayer is the Tea Party will grow ever stronger to the point that there are enough conservatives in the House and Senate to re-institute DADT, or something even stronger. The sooner the better, and make it RETROACTIVE. This is so disgusting.


28 posted on 12/18/2010 7:40:35 PM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: Enterprise

I don’t see compromise as being a helpful suggestion.

They should not be allowed in the military at all.

Look. Our guys, when they are in the Armed Forces, can find themselves in some incredibly stressful situations.
And now we are ready to tell them that in addition to the stress and strain of modern warfare, they have to worry if the person next to them wants to get close and personal?

For some of the troops, this will be totally demoralizing. And if some of the troops are demoralized, the whole unit suffers.

Standard rules of civil and Constitutional rights simply DO NOT apply to the military. These guys aren’t on an assembly line making Shop-Vacs or something.


29 posted on 12/18/2010 7:46:46 PM PST by djf (Touch my junk and I'll break yur mug!!!)
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To: lbryce
Republicans (term used loosely) voting for DADT
Brown (R-MA)
Burr (R-NC)
Collins (R-ME)
Ensign (R-NV)
Kirk (R-IL)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Snowe (R-ME)
Voinovich (R-OH)

Republicans Not Voting:

Bunning (R-KY)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)

30 posted on 12/18/2010 7:47:15 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: lbryce

The traitors come out each day and name themselves.

Keep track. Find out if they’re in your neighborhoods...


31 posted on 12/18/2010 7:47:43 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: lbryce

Notice this vote for DADT:

Murkowski (R-AK)

What a pile of smelling crap.


32 posted on 12/18/2010 7:48:56 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Texas Fossil

“The world is trying the experiment of attempting to form a civilized but non-Christian mentality. The experiment will fail; but we must be very patient in awaiting its collapse; meanwhile redeeming the time; so that the Faith may be preserved alive through the dark ages before us; to renew and rebuild civilization, and to save the world from suicide.”
T.S. Eliot, Christianity and Culture


33 posted on 12/18/2010 7:49:33 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: lbryce

satan is pleased


34 posted on 12/18/2010 7:49:37 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: lbryce

Monty Python’s Military Fairy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5Dfs7jqFI


35 posted on 12/18/2010 7:50:08 PM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: djf

I am surprised this thread has been allowed to continue this long unmolested (pun intended). When I first pulled upnthe home page, there was a vanity post suggesting that the states National Guards get together to form a Constitution/Christian based military entity. That was all I could get from the headline as when I clicked thru, the post had been cremated (no pun intended) by a friendly mod that suggested the poster post to another site (perhaps not a bad idea for all of us).


36 posted on 12/18/2010 7:50:08 PM PST by coldbluesteel (Endo)
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To: djf

I do NOT want compromise. I want DADT reinstated. The new congress has enough House members to accomplish it, but it would not get through the Senate. These are amendments I would like to see adopted until then.


37 posted on 12/18/2010 7:50:55 PM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: Enterprise

I want an on going study of violence and attacks on straights. I want to know the number of sex acts in the open. I want this stopped.


38 posted on 12/18/2010 7:57:16 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Enterprise

DADT itself was a compromise.

It was a compromise crafted to give gays a way to serve in the military and not face expulsion or discipline or discrimination.

Just keep your mouth shut about your sexual leanings.

That was all that was asked of them.

But that wasn’t enough. They want to be able to broadcast to the whole world about their perversions.
And yes, I do think it is a perversion.


39 posted on 12/18/2010 7:59:15 PM PST by djf (Touch my junk and I'll break yur mug!!!)
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To: icwhatudo
So which is it? Did they end the ban or did they repeal DADT?

...there seems to be some confusion on what was actually done here.

In the wwords of Nanct Pelosi, "pass the bill so you know what's in it."

40 posted on 12/18/2010 8:01:46 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: icwhatudo
So which is it? Did they end the ban or did they repeal DADT?

...there seems to be some confusion on what was actually done here.

In the wwords of Nanct Pelosi, "pass the bill so you know what's in it."

41 posted on 12/18/2010 8:01:52 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: lbryce
As Posted on Thomas

HR 2965 EAH

In the House of Representatives, U. S.,

December 15, 2010.

Resolved, That the House agree to the amendment of the Senate to the bill (H.R. 2965) entitled `An Act to amend the Small Business Act with respect to the Small Business Innovation Research Program and the Small Business Technology Transfer Program, and for other purposes.', with the following

HOUSE AMENDMENT TO SENATE AMENDMENT:

In lieu of the matter proposed to be inserted by the amendment of the Senate, insert the following:

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

SEC. 2. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE POLICY CONCERNING HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE ARMED FORCES.

Attest:

Clerk.

111th CONGRESS

2d Session

H.R. 2965

HOUSE AMENDMENT TO SENATE AMENDMENT

42 posted on 12/18/2010 8:01:55 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: djf

I agree. DADT was a compromise, but liberals always get their foot in the door until the time they can get what they want. I would prefer an outright ban on homosexuals serving in the military.


43 posted on 12/18/2010 8:04:56 PM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: lbryce

If the Republicans don’t make undoing this injustice a priority, there will be hell to pay for them.


44 posted on 12/18/2010 8:05:14 PM PST by Antoninus (Fair warning: If Romney's the GOP nominee in 2012, I'm looking for a new party.)
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To: Martin Tell

“gays who do enter the service will spend all their time creating incidents”

I can imagine a gay group marching in a guy military parade. Will they wear leather and carry whips?


45 posted on 12/18/2010 8:05:50 PM PST by Bronzy (We Remembered In November.)
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To: GenXteacher
Well, then we can throw the “Hell no, we won’t go” thing right back at them.

Like that will stop them. They will come for your kids and they won't take no for an answer


46 posted on 12/18/2010 8:07:56 PM PST by Antoninus (Fair warning: If Romney's the GOP nominee in 2012, I'm looking for a new party.)
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To: lbryce

So, we no longer need separate barracks for males and females, if I am following their logic. Women should be allowed to train and sleep with males. If you think about it, sexual situations no longer can be used as a way of housing. They just opened a big can of sh_t.


47 posted on 12/18/2010 8:10:57 PM PST by luv2ndamend (Same party, different letter.)
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To: lbryce
"In addition to Ms. Collins, Republicans backing the repeal were Senators Scott P. Brown of Massachusetts, Richard M. Burr of North Carolina, John Ensign of Nevada, Mark Kirk of Illinois, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Olympia J. Snowe of Maine and George V. Voinovich of Ohio."

All of the above maggots need to be expelled in 2012 if they're up for election. Or, the next time they're up for election. They're obviously RINOS....

48 posted on 12/18/2010 8:13:20 PM PST by xtinct (The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you..Be Strong Patriots!)
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To: Know et al
Why isn’t anyone talking about the possibility/probability of overturning it in the House when our new folks get in there in January?

Even if the House passed the law, the Senate would vote it down. If the Senate were to pass the law, Obtuse would veto it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the House has the testosterone, it can refuse to appropriate, or de-appropriate, anything it wants, at any time, since only the House can spend the government's money.

It takes appropriated money to hire homo-sensitivity counselors; money to schedule the meetings and hire the hotel meeting rooms where recruiting officers will be told how to approach their new, um, assignment; money to print new recruiting and disciplinary manuals. And so on.

And I'm not so sure the Senate would have the moxie to "go homo" again in their new, more conservative configuration, with so many up for re-election in 2012; and I'm not sure Obummer will have the nerve to veto an overturning of this Lavender Militia Act himself, for the same reason.

49 posted on 12/18/2010 8:16:29 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: lbryce

Have we hit bottom yet?


50 posted on 12/18/2010 8:23:03 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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