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Who Killed DREAM? The Tea Party Did (1 vote away from Amnesty!)
Newsweek ^ | Dec 19, 2010 | Mickey Kaus

Posted on 12/19/2010 8:17:24 AM PST by heiss

1) It was "closer than it looked"—not because Harry Reid had 59 votes secretly locked up if he could only have gotten one more (though that's possible) but because if one or two senators had ostentiously switched in the weeks leading up to the vote then "at least three other votes would have gone with them and we would have lost."

..... "Translation:The Tea Parties did it."

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; dream; dreamact; illegals; immigration
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We should really appreciate the victory. This is defining moment in amnesty fight.

1 Senate vote was the difference between 100M illegals / new dem voters and the current state. Even RINOs votes against this (Brown, Kirk, Maine sisters etc). Without Tea Party this win would not have been possible!

Reinforcements are arriving soon and we should be safe in the Congress and can actually start offensive. Let Obama veto or Senate Dems to vote against border security before 2012!

1 posted on 12/19/2010 8:17:31 AM PST by heiss
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To: heiss

Thank goodness manchin didn’t show up. Now he can state that he didn’t vote for the DREAM.


2 posted on 12/19/2010 8:19:22 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: heiss
"Translation:The Tea Parties did it."

Then the American people did it.

3 posted on 12/19/2010 8:20:14 AM PST by Jim 0216
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To: freeangel

Manchin was scared to death about DADT and DREAM ACT.

This should be good campaign material in 2012: “Coward”.


4 posted on 12/19/2010 8:21:30 AM PST by heiss
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To: Jim 0216

“Translation: The Tea Parties did it.”
+++++++++++++++++++

The liberal’s way of saying “The dog ate my homework”.


5 posted on 12/19/2010 8:22:13 AM PST by ak267
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To: heiss

Must be painful for you guys at NewsWeak.


6 posted on 12/19/2010 8:22:45 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: heiss

Those RINOs came up huge yesterday. I’ve made this comment a couple times now but they really did. They have and will pi$$ us off on other votes (e.g., DADT) from time to time but even the Maine Girls are nowhere close to be a Joe Liberalman in their voting records. I’m truly thankful to them. Props to everyone calling in the days and weeks leading up to this vote yesterday.


7 posted on 12/19/2010 8:23:15 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: heiss
The TpCaucus is GroWING everywhere... even in San Fransicko... and Madison, Wisconsin.. and Delaware..

2010 was a rehearsal, 2012 will be Opening NIGHT!!!... (Jaws theme)...

8 posted on 12/19/2010 8:23:51 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: heiss

We haven’t won until they are out of session


9 posted on 12/19/2010 8:25:55 AM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: heiss

Funny, given that Manchin turned the race and won on that one macho ad. In office, he’s a coward.


10 posted on 12/19/2010 8:26:54 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: GeronL

good point. You never know what happens there, until the Congress gets in.


11 posted on 12/19/2010 8:27:24 AM PST by heiss
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To: heiss

“ostentiously”

This is not a word in the English language.

ostenTAtiously?

ostensibly?


12 posted on 12/19/2010 8:27:50 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder ("Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: heiss

Let all the illegals move into the areas that those that voted for it represent. These politicians vote for their own reasons, not for what 80% of people of this nation want.


13 posted on 12/19/2010 8:30:15 AM PST by RC2
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To: heiss
Who killed DREAM?

Obama will never get citizenship now.

14 posted on 12/19/2010 8:30:24 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (oy. Again I say, oy.)
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To: heiss; All

Sorry I say in ain’t over yet...Harry had 4 bills out there with some form of the DREAM ACT in it...only 1 went down yesterday...


15 posted on 12/19/2010 8:31:23 AM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: heiss

We won the battle again but it was close, we have to stop this for once and for all to win the war.


16 posted on 12/19/2010 8:33:11 AM PST by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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To: Jim 0216

That is true, however, without the organization [women developed the tea parties, BTW] of the Tea Party it wouldn’t have mattered if it had solely been the American people. Until the Tea Party Organization and the fear it has brought to DC...we’d have lost this.


17 posted on 12/19/2010 8:35:28 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Jim 0216

I have been on the immigration issue about 6 years and it has been a ROUGH RIDE to get Americans to see what the full ramifications are of demographic warfare. Many were so programmed to think of others first. Immigration fighters were completely isolated in many ways especially as they were drowned out in the R-party by biz interests. Then notice how the TEA PARTY were able to quickly equate the spending taxing problem into a lost future..etc. It took awhile for them to realize that the open borders excess is one and the same.
The “hunters” will become the “hunted”.


18 posted on 12/19/2010 8:38:17 AM PST by magna carta
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To: GeronL
"We haven’t won until they are out of session."

True for this battle. But for the war, we haven't won until both the foreign invasion & occupation has been ended.

That means no more Amnesties/Legalizations! The 1986 Amnesty/Legalization proved conclusively that Americans can never allow those who entered legally to legalize without encouraging more of the same.

19 posted on 12/19/2010 8:38:32 AM PST by drpix
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To: GeronL
CORRECTION:

those who entered legally = those who entered illegally

20 posted on 12/19/2010 8:39:28 AM PST by drpix
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To: GeronL
We haven't won until they are out of session

Words of wisdom here!! Watch out for midnight legislation. Its all they know and have.

21 posted on 12/19/2010 8:42:44 AM PST by rodguy911 (Sarah Palin,Michelle Bachman, Marco Rubio--The unbeatable Reagan Trio !!)
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To: magna carta

yep. I have nothing against some form of legal immigration (e.g. merit based system, e.g. get a physics PhD from Stanford and get temporary green card), but this amnesty idea must be killed once and for all.

I don’t know Congress rules well enough if it is still possible to sneak it somewhere (e.g. “deemed passed” or similar crap), but I assume Tea Party Senators are on full alert.


22 posted on 12/19/2010 8:43:42 AM PST by heiss
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To: magna carta

The worst part is that the true numbers are never released.


23 posted on 12/19/2010 8:43:52 AM PST by rodguy911 (Sarah Palin,Michelle Bachman, Marco Rubio--The unbeatable Reagan Trio !!)
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To: heiss

Disgusting that this vote was even this close. There are far too many traitors serving in our Congress.


24 posted on 12/19/2010 8:44:03 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: rodguy911

I predict it will pass. SOMEONE will be bought off and switch their vote.

Also, don’t forget Reid’s dirty tricks such as “budget reconciliation.” Simple majority only.

So, get ready for the bad news.


25 posted on 12/19/2010 8:45:43 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: heiss; All
The Tea Party was a latecomer this fight. Many of us had to work hard to convince some that this was not a "social issue", like abortion and DADT, but rather a financial and constitutional one. Thankfully they got on board in a big way. Aside from FReepers of course, credit for this win goes to:

1. NumbersUSA - Critical leadership; free fax service
2. Stand With Arizona - Delivered their 500k members with massive calls and faxes; huge use of Facebook
3. Michelle Malkin - Leadership, dogged persistence, and exposés on the pro-illegal lobby
4. Bloggers: Mickey Kaus, Ed Morrissey and David Frum (yes, amazingly Frum really made a lot of folks see behind the lies of vile RINOs like Michael Gerson about the 'DREAM' scam)
26 posted on 12/19/2010 8:58:44 AM PST by montag813
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder; heiss
“ostentiously”

This is Newsweak. But it is also Mickey Kaus.

Anyone knows where he stands with respect to supposed intellectual superiority to Sarah "refudiate" Palin?

Oh, and this was a written piece, apparently, and not a Tweet.

Cheers!

27 posted on 12/19/2010 9:01:22 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: GeronL
When I first read it I thought you said "out of season".

My first thought was, RINOs and Progressives should never be out of season.

28 posted on 12/19/2010 9:05:14 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: ak267

Nice analogy.


29 posted on 12/19/2010 9:09:47 AM PST by 3rdcoastislander
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To: heiss
This should be good campaign material in 2012: “Coward”.

It might.....if the WV GOP had a candidate.

30 posted on 12/19/2010 9:24:24 AM PST by Roccus
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To: All

So, was Brown the “41st” vote as he promised?


31 posted on 12/19/2010 9:30:58 AM PST by Terry Mross ( Reagan made one mistake: He chose Bush as his veep. We've been paying for it ever since.)
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To: magna carta

The vote should have been unanimous against this bill. They are not going to give up. They have momentum. The DREAM Act will become a battering ram. Hispanic groups have called for demonstrations nationwide and civil disobedience for Monday December 20th.

So where do these lawmakers come from? Do they have no sense of loyalty to American citizens first? No love of country? No historical memory?

Each time we get another assault on sovereignty, constitutional restraint and rule of law, the votes get closer and closer, whether it takes the form of an election, or a proposition on a ballot, or a congressional vote on a controversial bill, or a federal or Supreme Court ruling.

There is never anything close to unanimity. We constantly seem to escape the most seditious and outrageous shifts in policy by a hairs-breadth, on proposals which the vast majority of Americans (Congress included) clearly should identify as inimical to the values this country was founded upon.

The winning margins are getting smaller, not larger. I think the fate of a nation rests largely on its ability to cohere and share a unifying identity, and system of belief.

I think these close calls are an indication we are as a nation very near to being completely bifurcated. On this earth, historically, that has proven a very dangerous place to be.


32 posted on 12/19/2010 9:49:33 AM PST by 4Runner
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To: heiss

With apologies to Langston Hughes…

What happens to a DREAM deferred?

Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore—
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over—
like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.

Or does it explode?


33 posted on 12/19/2010 9:56:05 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: the invisib1e hand

Post of the week! LOL


34 posted on 12/19/2010 10:03:11 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: whitedog57

I think Rush explained last week that there can’t be a “budget reconciliation,” and thus a simple majority, because there is no budget.


35 posted on 12/19/2010 10:15:34 AM PST by Atlantan
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To: 4Runner
demonstrations nationwide and civil disobedience for Monday December 20th.

Let them demonstrate...disply their mexican flags. It will show the rest of the public who these illegal aliens are in their heart of hearts...and it's not American, they're mexicans first, foremost, and always. Wherever these cockroaches congregate it begins to look like the third world, then becomes a third world craphole like the ones that they left.

36 posted on 12/19/2010 10:19:26 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Terry Mross

“So, was Brown the “41st” vote as he promised?”

Yes. Brown, Kirk and Maine sisters all opposed DREAM ACT. Their vote was crucial. Had libs managed to get one of them to switch, it would have passed (absent dems would have shown up and voted for it, just like in Obamacare).


37 posted on 12/19/2010 10:57:44 AM PST by heiss
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To: montag813

Thanks for the Correction..

From Yours Truly:

Chicagolady and one of the Original Minutemen on the US/Mexico Border in 2005.

The MINUTEMEN: The ORIGINAL Tea Party Folks!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQThm-RxOw8


38 posted on 12/19/2010 11:17:51 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: heiss

“I have nothing against some form of legal immigration”

Everyone who comes out sensibly against amnesty feels compelled to add the ‘legal immigration is okay’ disclaimer. You have ‘nothing against it’... but do you really think it’s been good for the country? I don’t. The harm to my culture done by foreigners outweighs the interesting food, or whatever else you got.

You think we benefit from a foreign ‘physics PhD from Stanford’? Show me the evidence that America lagged technologically before mass waves of immigration became the norm.

We should encourage replenishing our own population without foreign help. If all jobs went to Americans, maybe Americans would have more kids. And remember, children of even ‘temporary green card’ holders are citizens if they’re born here. That’s got to stop.

I’d support a candidate who calls for shutting the door. No legal immigration for at least twenty years. Sorry, Mister But I’m a Phd! Mister Drug Mule-slash-Drunk Driver-slash-Child Rapist-slash-Terrorist wrecked it for all of you. Go home.


39 posted on 12/19/2010 11:32:17 AM PST by Blue Ink
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To: heiss
Score one for losing Delaware Tea Partier Christine O'Donnell, who knocked off establishment pick Rep. Mike Castle (who voted for DREAM) in the GOP primary.

Thank you Christine and all who supported her.

40 posted on 12/19/2010 12:07:23 PM PST by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: montag813

Let’s just hope that 2012 doesn’t bring us yet another ‘path to citizenship’, ‘compassionate’ progressive conservative that we are going to find ourselves doing battle with over this issue and, instead, someone who will IMMEDIATELY, effectively secure our borders and win attrition through enforcement of our current immigration laws. Ending birthright citizenships would be a huge plus!

We must find THAT candidate NOW.


41 posted on 12/19/2010 12:29:43 PM PST by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote! ~ DeMint, 2012)
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To: Red_Devil 232

lol!


42 posted on 12/19/2010 12:49:18 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: muddler

It wasn’t a battle. It was just a skirmish.

As long as RINOs roam, we are all in danger.


43 posted on 12/19/2010 12:59:17 PM PST by ratsreek
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To: shield
I love the Tea Parties and what they are doing. We are living at a time when, for whatever reason, women, often instead of men, are taking the bull by the horns - probably at least partially due to the deliberate ans systematic emasculation of America. Nevertheless, God bless the Tea Parties. And to their credit, they have stayed away from centralization or becoming a distinct party.

The point here is that the LibTards try anything they can to marginalize these results including trying to make it seem like smoke and mirrors by some faction called the Tea Parties. As they have done before, the Tea Parties in the wake of victories should (and I'm sure are) be saying this very thing: "This is the American People at work, we're just a vehicle to get it done." This is the way Reagan always characterized his efforts - it wasn't phony - he really believed his victories were victories for America and the American people and he didn't care who got the credit. The liberals don't like being characterized as going against the Ameican People.

44 posted on 12/19/2010 1:10:16 PM PST by Jim 0216
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To: grey_whiskers

There was about three words spelled incorrectly in this article.


45 posted on 12/19/2010 1:20:09 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Nuc 1.1

Thx. I ripped it off from a comic I heard on, of all places, a public radio station.


46 posted on 12/19/2010 1:26:25 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (oy. Again I say, oy.)
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To: heiss

“Manchin was scared to death about DADT and DREAM ACT.”

Wasn’t Manchin a no-show on DADT? If Manchin killed it, the libs would have killed him. So he was a ‘dont ask dont tell’ vote.

DREAM? Well thank goodness for cowardice in the Senate for once. If these clowns didnt fear re-election defeat it would have passed.


47 posted on 12/19/2010 1:50:16 PM PST by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: heiss
We have just begun to fight. The sleeping giant is awake and will build exponentially up to November 6, 2012 - and beyond.

America - steel yourself and prepare for the big fight. This is about the survival of the USA and truly, that of Western Civilization.

48 posted on 12/19/2010 2:33:55 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Even PBS is getting the idea? We must be in more serious trouble than I thought.


49 posted on 12/19/2010 2:41:24 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Dead Corpse

” Disgusting that this vote was even this close. There are far too many traitors serving in our Congress.”

No joke, brother!


50 posted on 12/19/2010 2:51:05 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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