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Dreamliner's woes pile up
The Seattle Times ^ | December 18, 2010 | Dominic Gates

Posted on 12/19/2010 8:27:52 AM PST by buzzer

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To: Paladin2

Says a lot about their maintenance program.


41 posted on 12/19/2010 11:22:14 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: biff
"What I meant was going to the moon or space flight had never been done before."

Uh, I think Buck Rogers did it a few decades earlier.

42 posted on 12/19/2010 11:29:44 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Joe Boucher
"Says a lot about their maintenance program."

I think there may have been at least a couple of upgrade programs too.

43 posted on 12/19/2010 11:32:03 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

I have a sneaking suspicion they are having big problems with the integrity of the composite fuselage.


44 posted on 12/19/2010 11:34:32 AM PST by TruthFactor (The Death of Nations: Pornography, Homosexuality, Abortion)
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To: TruthFactor

I read that they had some issues assembling the “big” pieces. The “rain in the plane” doesn’t sound too good either.


45 posted on 12/19/2010 11:38:31 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: TruthFactor

I understand that they made the first ones with the old modeler’s trick of using enough force to bend the parts to get the edges to match up, and then strong enough glue to hold it.


46 posted on 12/19/2010 11:43:56 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Paladin2

As part of their maintenance program, each or the B-52’s have been taken apart and put together better.
Each part has a time limit and it is replaced.
Still an incredible flight machine.


47 posted on 12/19/2010 12:07:24 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: biff
"No, I am not wrong."

Of course you are wrong.

Building a hybrid car is very technical, uses lots of new technology and engineering. But it still is just a modification and extension of those who invented engines, vehicles, etc.

The Apollo program was certainly the same, NOT a start from zero.

48 posted on 12/19/2010 12:56:52 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: =8 mrrabbit 8=

You’re correct.
Without “our” Germans it would have taken a lot longer.


49 posted on 12/19/2010 1:01:39 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: Captain Peter Blood

“Why in the Hell would you want to have different locations laid out all over the world planning and designing, then try and assemble the plane the same way?”

Reminds me of the Tower of Babel!!

BTW - I think part of the reason was cost (to avoid our high union labor wages), and also to get promises of orders from the countries that they subbed things out to.


50 posted on 12/19/2010 1:10:52 PM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: nascarnation

yes many of the decisions that led directly to these problems were made on his watch. So he shouldn’t get a total pass on it.


51 posted on 12/19/2010 2:56:02 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: diogenes ghost

Hint - Putting a man on the moon with the biggest rocket know to man is a gigantic leap from putting a basketball sized satellite in orbit.

No, I am not wrong.


52 posted on 12/19/2010 2:58:24 PM PST by biff
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To: Brilliant

You can blame unions for some things, but not for this.


53 posted on 12/19/2010 3:00:13 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: buzzer
If Boeing would spend less time on social issues like diversity in the work place and hiring affirmative action engineers then they might be able to design and build planes like they did in the 60s and 70s.

Our youth spend more time on the computer and video games than actually building something with their own hands. It is the rare individual that builds Ham radios, RC planes or does home shop machining. Probably a major of the engineers at Boeing haven't even built a kite out of paper and balsa wood and made it fly.

54 posted on 12/19/2010 3:02:25 PM PST by pterional
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To: AFreeBird

You are really reaching here.

There is plenty of blame to go around on this one. SPEEA would be at the bottom of the list.


55 posted on 12/19/2010 3:07:46 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: jnsun
My engineering friends to a man, and all are, vow over and over the worse thing that has happened to American technical production is MBA's in management. Even ex-engineers who have become MBA's have diverted their focus.

How true that is. I saw the MBA's destroy Hughes Aircraft Company.

56 posted on 12/19/2010 3:10:07 PM PST by saminfl
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To: djwright

Oh, I wasn’t putting all the blame there. Mgm’t has an equal share.


57 posted on 12/19/2010 3:10:26 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: djwright

Not true. First, the union went on strike for two months, and you can bet that the actual days they were on strike were a small part of the slowdown which has now stretched the development of the Dreamliner to 3 years. Second, they extracted concessions which have made the marketing of the Dreamliner more difficult, and have made it more difficult to justify the expense of development, particularly on the schedule that was originally anticipated. When you have a union in the mix that is not working with management, you are going to have these problems. It does not surprise me a bit.


58 posted on 12/19/2010 3:15:36 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: AFreeBird

Most of the problems are a direct result of decisions made by top management at the very start.

The engineering unions share is NOT equal.

Ignoring your engineers’ advice doesn’t mean you both share the blame equally.


59 posted on 12/19/2010 3:15:44 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: Brilliant
I am talking about the engineering union.

But the IAM strike happened after the airplane was already delayed. You can maybe blame them for a day for day slide so 50 days out of 3 years.

I hate unions as much as anybody but you just can't blame them for everything.

There is much Boeing could do to avoid strikes and to shorten them. There are two sides to a negotiating table.

60 posted on 12/19/2010 3:20:19 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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