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Was Patton killed?
New York Post ^ | December 18, 2010 | ROBERT K. WILCOX

Posted on 12/19/2010 12:17:44 PM PST by ConservativeStatement

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To: Cheetahcat

His death wasn’t an accident, he had outlived his usefulness and became a threat.


101 posted on 12/19/2010 3:27:31 PM PST by wrench
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To: cripplecreek

And that the Titanic had Isador Straus on board, not long after Levi Strauss invented the blue jean. Clearly a fouled-up attempt to stop the westernization of the world.


102 posted on 12/19/2010 3:28:24 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LS

And American Motors once made a special edition “Levi Gremlin”. The clues are all there if you know where to look.


103 posted on 12/19/2010 3:38:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: wrench

“His death wasn’t an accident, he had outlived his usefulness and became a threat.”

He knew too much also.


104 posted on 12/19/2010 3:39:31 PM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
You all are idiots. It was the Klingons.
105 posted on 12/19/2010 3:41:17 PM PST by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground - the Hogwarts of Stupid.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Ike off’d him.


106 posted on 12/19/2010 3:53:53 PM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

All your Patton are belong to us. Your country big liberal and conservatives in bad conditions.


107 posted on 12/19/2010 3:53:59 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
It was the British Royal Family,

acting at the behest of Montgomery,

who did the dastardly deed,

as they also snuffed out Diana

a la mismo modus operandi.

108 posted on 12/19/2010 4:06:45 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: ex-snook

They were ivory. Only a pimp in a New Orleans whorehouse would have pearl handled revolvers!


109 posted on 12/19/2010 4:11:38 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: LS

Some of what you say makes sense such as the U.S. being tired of war but some of it is more nonsense than some of the conspiracy stuff.

I just glanced at my world map and the distance from much of Europe to Moscow was quite a bit shorter than from Tinian to Tokyo. B-29’s could easily have made the round trip and escorted at that.

With atomic weapons we could have told Stalin to get out of town before sundown and he would have had no other choice but to do it. That is if he did not have spies in our government who would have assured him we would never do it.


110 posted on 12/19/2010 4:14:20 PM PST by yarddog
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To: ex-snook
I think it was an accident.

It was ... it could be construed that God was calling Patton home in order to make him available for another war. Patton always believed he was reincarnated from an earlier warrior who commanded in war.

111 posted on 12/19/2010 4:38:50 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: runninglips
So what, he hit the plexi-glass partition that didn’t exist at that time?

Not sure if he hit the partition or not, or even if there was a plexiglass partition in the vehicle. However plexiglass did exist in WWII ... it was used in aircraft all the time.

112 posted on 12/19/2010 4:44:15 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping. Patton was a great general, but he wasn’t popular with the military or civilian hierarchy. That much is known. As to whether he was murdered, I will reserve judgment.


113 posted on 12/19/2010 4:59:10 PM PST by zot
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To: LS
And they had top equipment because we gave it to them (except for their tanks and artillery, which often used our designs).

Most of the vehicles we gave the Soviets were trucks, which they need badly. We gave them relatively M4 Sherman tanks. The didn't need them. They had the T34, the best tank of the war. It was in production into the 1950's and was still in use as late as the 90's.

Tank for tank, a late war T-34 will eat a Sherman for breakfast.


114 posted on 12/19/2010 5:03:29 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Wow I loused that post up badly, let’s try it again:

Most of the vehicles we gave the Soviets were trucks, which they needed badly. We gave them relatively few M4 Sherman tanks. The didn’t need them. They had the T-34, the best tank of the war. It was in production into the 1950’s and was still in use as late as the 90’s.

Tank for tank, a late war T-34 will eat a Sherman for breakfast.


115 posted on 12/19/2010 5:04:57 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Now really. Can you think of any time period in history, when there were more seasoned, skilled killers hanging about looking for something to do, than the second half of 1945? And when a hit is called for, a fairly extraordinary target too, they can’t do better than this?


116 posted on 12/19/2010 5:23:25 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Merry Christmas!)
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To: Mouton

“FDR was reelected in 44 and would not stand for reelection, and coronation, until 48. I am not so sure Patton would have been his adversary”

FDR kicked the bucket in the spring of ‘45. Wait that was impossible, I mean he bought the farm ‘45.


117 posted on 12/19/2010 5:39:36 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: cripplecreek

I seem to recall seeing faded bloodstains on the top of the back cushion.


118 posted on 12/19/2010 5:43:21 PM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: BluH2o
It was ... it could be construed that God was calling Patton home in order to make him available for another war. Patton always believed he was reincarnated from an earlier warrior who commanded in war.

His account of his memories from those earlier lives is a fascinating chapter in his autobiography. If one goes along with your idea, then in the next big war, can we expect to see his reincarnated self. In times of grave national crisis, do you expect to see American patriots reincarnated in this time to continue their fight for our country ? This makes interesting speculation if so. I think Ben Franklin has already reincarnated as Rush.

119 posted on 12/19/2010 5:49:16 PM PST by Red Boots
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To: ConservativeStatement
Was Patton killed?

Does the writer mean, "Was Patton murdered?"
120 posted on 12/19/2010 5:52:59 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Erasmus

Sounds like you’ve been to Greenfield Village. Seems to me that they also have Washington’s camp cot, the Wright bros bicycle shop, Edisons Menlo park lab and lord knows a lot of other historical artifacts. I believe the Kennedy assasination car is in the Henry Ford museum now.

I haven’t been over there for years but it seems like the automotive history museum had some interesting things in it. One that stuck with me was a Trans Am station wagon concept car.


121 posted on 12/19/2010 5:53:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
"Are we to assume that the Russians don’t know how to do this properly?"

Ever read the account of Rasputin's assassination(s)?

122 posted on 12/19/2010 6:04:25 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: muawiyah

Please excuse this OT diversion, but your comment about Hamid Karzai piqued my curiosity. If you really have met him (and if I’m not missing a subtle joke on your part... /g), does he, in your opinion, deserve the bad press and criticism he’s getting.

I’ve posted in previous discussions about seeing a Military Channel program in early 2002 showing Karzai fighting alongside our SpecOps guys and providing invaluable liaison and intelligence services as they were rooting al Quaida and the Taliban out of Afghanistan in the wake of 9-11.

My impression has always been he’s getting a bum rap and has been set up as a fall guy by our side. Any opinions?


123 posted on 12/19/2010 6:13:09 PM PST by tarheelswamprat
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To: Joe 6-pack
Ever read the account of Rasputin's assassination(s)?

The Thing that Wouldn't Die. Stabbed, repeatedly shot, poisoned, clubbed. Finally drowned when they bound him and chucked him in a river with all that damage- and even that almost wasn't enough, he managed to get free of his bonds. I think I read that he got trapped under the ice.

124 posted on 12/19/2010 6:17:14 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: tarheelswamprat
Karzai has a lot of relatives around here. My kids went to school with his nephew and other relatives. He used to walk around the neighborhood regularly on his visits down from Baltimore where he had a successful restaurant.

You can't help meeting a guy like that.

Yes, he gets an unfairly bad press ~ that's due to the fact he's been killing commies since the beginning of time. You can't expect the fruitcakes at the WashPost or NYT or their friends to deal fairly with the man.

125 posted on 12/19/2010 6:27:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: GreenLanternCorps
We were sending the Russians "tank chassis" and the Russians were providing their own gun and armor. This was one of those "from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". We could build vehicle chassis like crazy, and those guns and turrets were heavy but the Russians had the capacity to pour them day and night.

Remember, they relocated all their industry some 800 miles to the East. Indianapolis, Louisville and Detroit were the major centers of war materiel and canned spam shipped to the Eastern front. These were deep inland cities selected for the most serious of war-making capacity ~ and all you had to do was look at what was happening to the Russian territories "deep inland" to see what was up.

The folks designing and commanding the war were not at all confident that we were going to win.

126 posted on 12/19/2010 6:36:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Joe 6-pack

>> Ever read the account of Rasputin’s assassination(s)?

Hasn’t everyone? They weren’t professionals. If I were the hitman responsible for Patton surviving an “accident” like that, I’d be so mortified I’d hang up my piano wire and retire. Open a bait and tackle somewhere on the lower Rhine.


127 posted on 12/19/2010 6:45:58 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Merry Christmas!)
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The Mysterious Death of George Patton
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1622901/posts

General Patton was assassinated to silence his criticism of allied war leaders
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2152563/posts


128 posted on 12/19/2010 6:50:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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129 posted on 12/19/2010 6:59:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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General Patton was assassinated to silence his criticism of allied war leaders claims new book
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2152105/posts


130 posted on 12/19/2010 7:00:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: cripplecreek
It's been twenty-plus years for me, but I saw an armored Lincon Continental convertible (there we go with the theories again!) that I believe was the Kennedy assassination vehicle. Of course, cars, cars, and more cars. Also a Ford Trimotor, a Jenny, and a few other aircraft; railroad locos, etc.; giant collections of timepieces and musical instruments; and historical (stationary) steam engines.

Lincoln's Salem courthouse, stone cottages from the Cotswolds, Luther Burbank's greenhouse (Burbank, Edison, and Harvey Firestone were all friends whom Ford idolized); and so on and so on!

131 posted on 12/19/2010 7:12:06 PM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: Erasmus

Something well worth a visit to the detroit area.

It was a pretty common field trip destination for my school when I was a kid.


132 posted on 12/19/2010 7:45:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: GSP.FAN

ping....


133 posted on 12/19/2010 7:58:43 PM PST by goat granny (Great dad's are a blessing to son's but more so to daughters...)
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To: Red Boots
In times of grave national crisis, do you expect to see American patriots reincarnated in this time to continue their fight for our country? I think Ben Franklin has already reincarnated as Rush.

George Washington has reincarnated as John Huntsman, Sr.
Thomas Paine has reincarnated as Glenn Beck.

134 posted on 12/19/2010 8:06:37 PM PST by Publius (No taxation without respiration.)
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To: goat granny
Thanks for ping.....
135 posted on 12/19/2010 8:16:20 PM PST by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Cicero

Of course not. But to think that we “lost China” makes about as much sense as the thought that the United States “lost France” to Nazi Germany in 1940.


136 posted on 12/20/2010 4:40:41 AM PST by Ghotier
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Not exactly. What you say is true overall. But a new study came out about two years ago showing that at the battle of Moscow (41-42) the OVERWHELMING number of tanks were either Shermans or British tanks, and 85% of their heavy tanks were Brit. We made, or designed, Soviet aircraft engines until 1945; we made all their radio wire; we made a lot of their radios; and it was the shipping through the Arctic ports (thanks Henry Kaiser) that kept the USSR afloat (no pun intended) at all. Moreover, new studies on US/Brit intelligence show that the Russkis won key tactical showdowns because of what we were feeding them. Oh, and the T-34 was based on an American design.


137 posted on 12/20/2010 4:51:50 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: yarddog

Big difference. The Japanese had no more fighters. But to cross Europe to Moscow??? Fuggedabout it. We would have encountered hordes of Soviet planes the whole way-—and remember, the weight of the Bomb was so great that I don’t think you could carry more than one per plane, meaning every plane that went down was a complete loss to our nuke arsenal. Then there were the duds. As late as the 1970s, a full 15% of our rockets and bombs failed (this is actually pretty low). But still, take a 100 plane raid, spruce it up with 100 decoys, then siphon out 15% duds, then apply Soviet air defenses . . . .? Nope, wouldn’t be sufficient to even make a dent in Soviet ground capabilities.


138 posted on 12/20/2010 4:54:25 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: yarddog

And let me again refer you to THE book on the subject by Col Harry Borowski, “Hollow Threat.”


139 posted on 12/20/2010 4:54:56 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: cripplecreek

OMG, I forgot about that. Along with the LawnDart Pinto, who could miss it?


140 posted on 12/20/2010 4:55:45 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Getsmart64

;-) !!


141 posted on 12/20/2010 5:51:01 AM PST by Logic n' Reason (You can roll a turd in powered sugar; that don't make it a jelly donut)
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To: LS

Your point is well taken. My premise of being a different country is intact. Hitler said the world will only survive in ‘Eternal Conflict”. When will the world prove him wrong?The islamofacists are even more ruthless than the Germans or the Russians could ever be. Our grand children’s lives are at stake and it is good to know that WE the people are very aware of our new enemy. The coming war is at hand and pray to God it does not start we us first.


142 posted on 12/20/2010 6:34:28 AM PST by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: PapaBear3625
Your point is really an eye opener! I have never heard it put that way. I will go talk with my buddies about your premise and see what their reaction will be.
143 posted on 12/20/2010 6:37:35 AM PST by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: GreyFriar
One of the reasons for the “medical facilities 20 miles away” instead of in Mannheim, was that the facility was much better quality.

Not to mention the other problem with the hospital in Mannheim. It's very very noisy there because it's located right next to the steamroller factory.

144 posted on 12/20/2010 7:29:22 AM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

lol


145 posted on 12/20/2010 7:35:22 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Interesting Times; zot; The Shrew

See my post #21. Don’t spend your money on the book. It reads like a rehash of a 1970’s novel about an assassination plot to kill Patton using a rubber bullet.


146 posted on 12/20/2010 8:48:14 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: cameraeye

No question, and I think this battle has to be fought in the cultural arena as well as military and political. I favor a new “Radio Free Islam/Voice of America” to erode and undermine Al-Jazeera.


147 posted on 12/20/2010 9:06:42 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Publius
George Washington has reincarnated as John Huntsman, Sr. Thomas Paine has reincarnated as Glenn Beck.

I don't know of John Huntsman, Sr., but the Glenn Beck/Thomas Paine is one of those things where you just slap your head, of course !

148 posted on 12/20/2010 10:55:02 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: LS

“Radio Free Islam/Voice of America”

I really like your thinking. How about some audio guys telling us how it can be done?


149 posted on 12/20/2010 11:41:50 AM PST by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks! I won’t spend my money on this rehash of a 1970’s novel.


150 posted on 12/20/2010 2:21:19 PM PST by zot
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