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Was Patton killed?
New York Post ^ | December 18, 2010 | ROBERT K. WILCOX

Posted on 12/19/2010 12:17:44 PM PST by ConservativeStatement

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To: ConservativeStatement
This kind of thread always draws the folks who scoff at the idea and post messages ridiculing this or any 'conspiracy theory'. I can see why.

General Patton's death was under questionable circumstances and he was a 'controversial' figure but I see no hard evidence of an assassination conspiracy. Frankly, after 65 years, even if Patton was killed because he was publicly opposed to Democrat presidents too-cozy accommodations with the then-dangerous Soviet Union, it is virtually impossible to prove and, 65 years later, there is no one left to prosecute. Interesting theory - but hardly worth pursuing.

51 posted on 12/19/2010 1:23:01 PM PST by Jim Scott
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To: Cicero

Exactly, Roosevelt had no problem with communists nor communism. He was always busy trying to figure out how to incorporate its principles into our representative republic.


52 posted on 12/19/2010 1:28:46 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Mouton

The media hated him which was a pretty good sign.

Merry Christmas


53 posted on 12/19/2010 1:29:13 PM PST by bray (Sarah Palin will destroy the Repub Party, hopefully!)
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To: Jim Scott

Well, yes, it is worth pursuing, from the standpoint that there’s always a war above the war that most see, and it’s much more viscous, interesting and important for the future.


54 posted on 12/19/2010 1:30:43 PM PST by de.rm (Bang, bang, . . bang. Shhh=Bush, the elder, E. Howard Hunt, LBJ, Mrs, Edgar Hoover)
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To: cripplecreek
Even more amazing is the fact that the Titanic sank exactly 47 years (and some months and days) after Lincoln’s “assassination”.

And recall how Obama mentioned "57 states", which is 47 plus 10, the number of the horns of the Beast of Revelation?

And 57 +47 = 104, and 104 FM plays easy-listening mellow rock you can listen to at home, at the office, or on the road? And they played commercials for Lincoln car dealership Kennedy Pontiac?

We're through the looking glass here people...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

55 posted on 12/19/2010 1:34:22 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

I once read the detailed story of Patton’s last days. One thing which differs from the story here is that his driver was driving recklessly.

The guy who drove Patton all through the war was from Abbeville, Alabama and never had an accident. He had gone home just before the accident and Patton got a young reckless driver which Patton, of course just loved.

The accident was just that, an accident. Patton was extremely unlucky as he was the only one seriously hurt.

At first he did not do well then a Scottish Doctor was called in and ordered hooks be attached to Patton’s cheekbones which had weights attached to them. This worked and his neck eventually straightened out.

Just as it looked like Patton was going to recover, he had a sudden setback and died.

The only place I can see where there may have been a conspiracy/murder was at the very last but I doubt even that.

There is one interesting possibility. Patton ordered that Beadle Smith not be allowed at his funeral. I think Smith was in fact sympathetic to the Communists and was in a position of great power.


56 posted on 12/19/2010 1:38:34 PM PST by yarddog
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To: centurion316
Conspiracy, no. Automobile accident, yes.

Oh you're no fun anymore.

Patton was obviously killed because the person he was riding with that day was Gay.

57 posted on 12/19/2010 1:38:54 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Makes as much sense as punishing all of us financially today for the sins of slavery perpetrated by the people who lived 150 to 400 years ago.

Yep, that make sense.

58 posted on 12/19/2010 1:39:47 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Patton@Bastogne

I’ve got a copy of that prayer in my wallet. It was given to me by Patton’s granddaughter at a dinner in Luxembourg celebrating the 60th anniversary of VE day. My Dad, who served in Patton’s Ghost Troops, still has his original. You should have seen the look on her face when she offered him a copy, only to have him reach into his wallet and pull out his original!

The war museum in Bastogne is amazing.

For anyone who hasn’t read the entire card:

Back Side:


HEADQUARTERS
THIRD UNITED STATES ARMY

To each officer and soldier in the Third United States Army. I wish a Merry Christmas. I have full confidence in your courage, devotion to duty, and skill in battle. We march in our might to complete victory. May God’s blessing rest upon each of you on the Christmas Day.

G. S. Patton, JR.
Lieutenant General,
Commanding, Third United States Army

Front Side:


PRAYER

Almighty and most merciful Father, we humbly beseech thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate rains with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for Battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call upon Thee that armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies, and establish Thy justice amoung men and nations.

Amen.


59 posted on 12/19/2010 1:41:12 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: Cheetahcat
“From the grassy knoll.”

No from behind

Yep : )

60 posted on 12/19/2010 1:42:23 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: The Comedian

The chair Lincoln was sitting in when he was shot is on display at (you guessed it) Henry Ford museum’s Greenfield village like some kind of grisly trophy.

The answer is obvious, the car companies were behind his assassination.


61 posted on 12/19/2010 1:43:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: zot; The Shrew; GreyFriar

Ping.


62 posted on 12/19/2010 1:46:54 PM PST by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Let’s start at square one. Has anyone actually seen Patton’s birth certificate?


63 posted on 12/19/2010 1:48:51 PM PST by Joe Miner
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To: Patton@Bastogne
General Patton was the kind of man that Americans will "always" want to follow into battle ...

Well, yes and no. I admire his aggressive use of shock and speed. I admire his 'American-ness'. I admire him seeing through the Soviets.

I don't admire his insistence on neckties and shined boots and fresh shaves and the rest of the drill-field BS that he forced on his men. Field hygiene yes, by all means- but Patton took it into the realm of the absurd.

64 posted on 12/19/2010 1:49:03 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

You’re right. It was murder. The President should resign his post immediately.


65 posted on 12/19/2010 1:49:09 PM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Joe 6-pack
As much as one wants to believe our government would not have one of its greatest warriors iced

That premise is easy to accept if you also accept, which I do, that our government we see or are allowed to see is like the 10% of an iceberg above the water.

The part we see gives us just enough not to create waves and make us feel good about our "way of life" while the ruling, not governing, and self enrichment is done out of sight and hearing from all except the select members of the inner circle.

Anyone threatening the inner circle becomes a member of the expendable list.

66 posted on 12/19/2010 1:51:39 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: BluH2o
It was an accident people ...

How can you possibly know that? Have you read this guy's book? Have you spoken to someone who was there?

67 posted on 12/19/2010 1:52:24 PM PST by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: BluH2o

So what, he hit the plexi-glass partition that didn’t exist at that time?


68 posted on 12/19/2010 1:53:25 PM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: trumandogz

Stuff it, not funny.


69 posted on 12/19/2010 1:53:42 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: varon

Perfectly said.


70 posted on 12/19/2010 1:54:23 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: Cicero

Truman didn’t give China away. Chaing Kai-shek did.


71 posted on 12/19/2010 1:56:01 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Yes.


72 posted on 12/19/2010 2:01:13 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: Riley

he won battles that way ...


73 posted on 12/19/2010 2:05:19 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: de.rm
Well, yes, it is worth pursuing, from the standpoint that there’s always a war above the war that most see, and it’s much more viscous, interesting and important for the future.

If there is no hard evidence available and, after six and a half decades have passed, no one left alive to corroborate even the rumors and suspicions regarding the possible assassination of General Patton - which I do not rule out as a possibility - I cannot see the point of attempting to pursue this very cold case. However, I do see the value of understanding the unseen but active forces at work that you refer to as "the war above the war".

I believe that, on a practical basis, attempting to generate interest in such an old, virtually unprovable case of possible assassination of an American hero by either the U.S.and/or Soviet government is basically futile. Still, I understand the interest and do not reject the premise of assassination, only the reality of ever finding the truth after all this time. Investigations such as this need to be performed close to the actual act, not decades later. Because investigations of this (and other) suspicious deaths of American heroes were often successfully 'controlled' and/or thwarted at the time they occurred, making further investigation ineffective, attempting to re-start an investigation into General Patton's untimely, accidental death seems like a Sisyphean task that I can't see bearing any real conclusions.

74 posted on 12/19/2010 2:12:33 PM PST by Jim Scott
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To: Patton@Bastogne
he won battles that way ...

I can't see how taking time away from much-needed weapon and equipment maintenance was anything other than a hindrance. I think that he won battles in spite of the drill-field spit-shine-in-combat BS, not because of it.

75 posted on 12/19/2010 2:13:53 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: BluH2o
"was sitting on the edge of his seat"

No one was more surprised than me. I was in Patton's army for about 3 weeks in 1944. He always seemed to be 'on the edge' of something. I think it was an accident. Patton lived only for war. He died on active duty, in uniform, no doubt wearing his pearl handled pistols. War was over, peace reigned, Patton was no more. Let it be.

76 posted on 12/19/2010 2:14:48 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: neocon1984

I agree. To some Patton was a pain in the ass because he had the audacity to observe that the king wore no clothes. In other words he spoke openly about things he didn’t agree with.

That said, from everything I’ve read most of the heat to get rid of Patton came from the press (sound familiar) which for one reason or another had taken a disliking to him. I suspect it was because he didn’t treat them like WWII was all about them. The media dogged him for “gotcha” moments or created them out of thin air.

Patton was America’s best fighting general and, despite the “Blood and Guts” label hung on him his units took far fewer casualties than did Bradley’s—or any other general’s— units. Moreover, soldiers who served under Patton come across as being proud of the man and their accomplishments when interviewed.

But Bradley was a politician first and a soldier second. Because of his sycophant association with the media, the scribblers awarded him the title of a “Soldiers General”. Interestingly, I’ve not observed the same level of enthusiasm for Bradley from folks who served under him.

I’m sure there was plenty of envy from other generals because Patton’s skills as a leader, tactician and fighter were so much better than theirs. I’ve always wondered whether or not the Ardennes (Battle of the Bulge) would have happened if Patton was in charge and not Bradley.

In anyh case, I don’t believe that envy or his criticisms would have been sufficient to have him murdered. That’s a big step.


77 posted on 12/19/2010 2:15:31 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: cameraeye
I have always felt that was the case. He would have started a war with the “b@stards”(his words) Russians and we would have become a different people because of it.

More to the point, he would have been relentless about the threat of Communism, he would have found out about the extent of Communist infiltration under FDR, and if he spoke out the common people would have listened to him. He was a threat to the Communists in the US, and to the Dem party.

78 posted on 12/19/2010 2:19:42 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Jim Scott
I believe that, on a practical basis, attempting to generate interest in such an old, virtually unprovable case of possible assassination of an American hero by either the U.S.and/or Soviet government is basically futile.

I can't forget that Obama's regulatory czar Cass Sunstein has spoken about the value of using conspiracy theories as a means of distracting and discrediting political enemies.
79 posted on 12/19/2010 2:21:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Cicero

he was responsible for giving China to the Communists.

>>>

Right. And the massive battlefield incompetence, the corruption, and the utter social decay of “Republican” China and Cash-My-Check (Chaing Kai-Shek) had nothing to do with it.

Please spare us.


80 posted on 12/19/2010 2:23:17 PM PST by Ghotier
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To: ConservativeStatement

Target Patton by Robert Wilcox

a good book for Christmas :)


81 posted on 12/19/2010 2:24:32 PM PST by Germanicus Cretorian
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To: BluH2o
It was an ‘accident’ which failed to accomplish the job, so he was summarily terminated before he could make it back to the U.S. and tell what he so well knew, that the Commies had major plans for Europe which didn't involve democrat elections. Patton also knew the extent of the German atom program and that the data was being given to the Russkies as an appeasement hoping to live at peace with the communists so the Chinese would not become the most powerful world force. Who did the final wet work? That is what is debatable now.
82 posted on 12/19/2010 2:28:08 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
I read an extensive 2 volume biography of the General many years ago in my youth. Something always hit me as drastically wrong with all those events after the war. I wouldn't trust FDR as far as I could throw the old socialist son of a bitch.

Nam Vet

83 posted on 12/19/2010 2:28:15 PM PST by Nam Vet (Are you better off than you were 4 trillion dollars ago?)
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To: ConservativeStatement

I truly believe he was killed by the Communist in the US government.. Patton a strong anti-communist and the powers that be at the time were appeasing the Russians... Its time for the truth to be told..


84 posted on 12/19/2010 2:28:22 PM PST by crazydad
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To: Cheetahcat

Years ago I read speculation that a Czech debris gun was used to try and kill him. Sounds like further efforts may have been used to silence him. As a side note I think Gen Patton was a warrior in a previous life and time. And I can remember doing a book report long ago and I was most curious that it didn’t list his dob - a point I had to defend with the teacher.


85 posted on 12/19/2010 2:32:17 PM PST by mcshot (The golfing dude's grandmother knows where he was born - ask her.)
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To: Logic n' Reason
I think it was a “lone” surgeon and a “magic” scapel. Remember; the gurney went back....and to the left!

Bwahahaha....

86 posted on 12/19/2010 2:35:32 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: ConservativeStatement

Yes, he was taken out by the US Military.


87 posted on 12/19/2010 2:39:33 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Wouldn’t surprise me that Patton got killed. At that time like today, those people who speak their mind without bowing to the altar of political correctness end up getting silenced !


88 posted on 12/19/2010 2:41:45 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: ConservativeStatement

Neil Armstrong didn’t do the moonwalk—Michael Jackson did.


89 posted on 12/19/2010 2:48:15 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Ghotier

That was the propaganda at the time. Do you think Mao was better?


90 posted on 12/19/2010 2:56:13 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: CORedneck; ConservativeStatement; crazydad
At that time like today, those people who speak their mind without bowing to the altar of political correctness end up getting silenced !

And this is precisely why the truth will likely never be told.

91 posted on 12/19/2010 3:01:48 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (There were no tax "cuts" - they were simply a rollback of Clinton's record tax increases.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

he was murdered. many when i was in the army many were convinced of this.


92 posted on 12/19/2010 3:07:21 PM PST by 1st Division guy
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To: cripplecreek
"Even more amazing is the fact that the Titanic sank exactly 47 years (and some months and days) after Lincoln’s “assassination”."

Ahh but the real kicker is that if you rearrange the letters in "Titanic" and "Lincoln" it doesn't even come close to spelling "Leonardo DiCaprio"...

(However you can rearrange the letters in "Leonardo DiCaprio" to spell "A Ironclad Odor Pie".

93 posted on 12/19/2010 3:07:30 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: bray

“He was also a threat to FDR as a Presidential candidate, he may have changed our future”

Huh? The only way that could be true is if FDR was running for president in hell


94 posted on 12/19/2010 3:09:08 PM PST by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Would it not have been simpler, less suspicious, and more practical for the assassins to have finished the job at the scene of the accident?
You can’t with any degree of certainty kill a person in a slow-moving vehicle by putting a truck in front of him. So let’s say that Patton’s broken neck had some other cause there at the scene of the accident.
Are we to assume that the Russians don’t know how to do this properly? So that he’s dead instead of just paralyzed and requiring additional violence later?
Meanwhile he’s alive and might possibly speak?
Not to mention the witnesses at the scene. Very messy situation, very unprofessionally arranged.
Conclusion: assassination not likely.


95 posted on 12/19/2010 3:10:38 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Merry Christmas!)
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To: mcshot

“Years ago I read speculation that a Czech debris gun was used to try and kill him. Sounds like further efforts may have been used to silence him. As a side note I think Gen Patton was a warrior in a previous life and time. And I can remember doing a book report long ago and I was most curious that it didn’t list his dob - a point I had to defend with the teacher.”

The more I hear it sounds like he was silenced and no accident.


96 posted on 12/19/2010 3:18:25 PM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

He was progressing until ‘specialists’ from Washington arrived to take over his medical care. He didn’t survive long under their ‘treatment’.


97 posted on 12/19/2010 3:18:33 PM PST by PAR35
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To: iopscusa

All conspiracy theories are funny.


98 posted on 12/19/2010 3:23:10 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: cameraeye
If we would have gone to war with the USSR on mainland Europe in 1946, even with atomic bombs, it would have been an absolute disaster. The U.S. public was already incredibly tired of war---look at Ambrose's "Band of Brothers," to see that for the first time European soldiers set to go to the Pacific were "interested in medals" because medals got you points toward getting out. We had capped our infantry at 89 divisions deliberately so that we would outproduce Germany and Japan---but the Soviets could put close to 200 divisions in the field, not counting their recalcitrant allies.

These were not Iranian type "human waves" as were used in Stalingrad, but crack fighting troops that rolled over the Wehrmacht. And they had top equipment because we gave it to them (except for their tanks and artillery, which often used our designs). It would have been a disaster of the first order to send about 80 divisions (allowing for some to police Japan and the Pacific) against 200+.

We didn't have a bomber capable of flying to Moscow and back with atomic bombs (see "Hollow Threat" by USAF Col. Harry Borowski) and only had 100 bombs period by about 1947. When you account for planes shot down---in a-bomb raids you can bet every single Soviet fighter would be up---a-bombs would not have proven tactically useful in an invasion.

Our strat was the right one, as Reagan ultimately showed: box them in, make Communism fail economically, don't give an inch of new ground. Play defense militarily, offense economically and technologically.

99 posted on 12/19/2010 3:26:03 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: centurion316

Agreed. Reality is hard to take for some people.


100 posted on 12/19/2010 3:27:11 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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