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Free Republic ^ | 12/18/2010 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 12/19/2010 7:55:43 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan

Saturday night, December 18, 2010, Jim floated the idea of forming a political action committe to organize an effort to defeat the RINOs in the upcoming 2012 and 2014 Congressional elections.

"Yup, I do believe it’s time. We need to organize an anti-RINO PAC and get it going in all 57 states to support and elect True God and Country Conservatives™. We can do it!! FReeperPAC is born!"

472 posted on Saturday, December 18, 2010 6:46:47 PM by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)

Many FReepers expressed interest in helping with the PAC, posted research/resources, made relevant suggestions, offered advice, etc. It's time to move that effort to its own thread.

Please continue you contributons here. If you posted important information to the other thread, please consider re-posting it here. You will not automatically be added to the FReeper PAC ping list. You must request to be added if you want to receive pings to important updates.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2644629/posts?page=472


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Note: Thus far humblegunner has been compiling the ping list. I am doing research and plan to write a summary for group consideration. Neither humblegunner nor myself are attempting to manage this effort. All ideas are welcome.

To move forward, we have to make some decisions. That's the purpose of this thread.

1 posted on 12/19/2010 7:55:46 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Pls add me to the ping list


2 posted on 12/19/2010 7:57:08 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: afnamvet; Allegra; BuckeyeTexan; Col Freeper; GitmoSailor; humblegunner; Kevmo; manc; mojo114; ...

Ping to new thread for discussion on FReeper PAC.


3 posted on 12/19/2010 7:59:15 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: afnamvet; Allegra; BuckeyeTexan; Col Freeper; GitmoSailor; humblegunner; Kevmo; manc; mojo114; ...

Ping to new thread for discussion on FReeper PAC.


4 posted on 12/19/2010 7:59:28 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I’m game.


5 posted on 12/19/2010 8:03:38 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I have no idea how a PAC works but I’m willing to learn. Please add me to the ping list too!

“All 57 states”, LOL. JimRob, you crack me up! ;-)


6 posted on 12/19/2010 8:04:57 PM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: All

JimRob

Okay, first things first. In order to set up a “Nonconnected” PAC, we must designate a Committee Treasurer whose name and address will be public information; We’ll need to select a bank to handle our account/ funds; We’ll need an address for the Committee; We must file with he FEC before we collect or spend $1000.

If we need attorneys to handle/file the federal paperwork, do you want to use FR’s regular attorneys or should we plan to find another firm? I know several FReepers who are attorneys. Maybe they’ll do it pro bono or at cost.

1,328 posted on Sun Dec 19 17:04:00 2010 by BuckeyeTexan


7 posted on 12/19/2010 8:07:30 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Would like to be on the ping list and may participate as able.


8 posted on 12/19/2010 8:09:23 PM PST by Persevero (Merry Christmas!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Please add me to the ping list!

I want these fu**ing RINOs defeated...for good!

They’re a cancer on our party and the country!

And FUJM!


9 posted on 12/19/2010 8:11:29 PM PST by Artcore
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To: Red Steel

Will you review your research posted on the other thread and add it over here? Please?


10 posted on 12/19/2010 8:12:49 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

> “Neither humblegunner nor myself are attempting to manage this effort”

.
Everything needs a manager, or it becomes a headless horseman.

Do we have a mission statement yet?
(just something so everyone knows in general where we are headed and so won’t get their panties in a bunch)


11 posted on 12/19/2010 8:13:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Me, too. Thanks,


12 posted on 12/19/2010 8:16:08 PM PST by MamaB
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Please add me to your ping list. I’ll participate as I’m able.


13 posted on 12/19/2010 8:17:17 PM PST by Prov3456
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Sounds like a plan being created.


14 posted on 12/19/2010 8:17:31 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: editor-surveyor
Do we have a mission statement yet?

Here's a couple of short versions from the text in the body of the thread:

Form a Political Action Committe to organize an effort to defeat the RINOs in the upcoming 2012 and 2014 Congressional elections.

And

An anti-RINO PAC and get it going in all 57 states to support and elect True God and Country Conservatives™.


15 posted on 12/19/2010 8:19:37 PM PST by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I’m in. Please add me to the PAC list. I’ve had it with this out of control “government”.


16 posted on 12/19/2010 8:22:21 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all of my FReeper FRiends!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

The loony left progressive have the Tides Foundation to help set action groups. You may want to check with conservative foundation for guidance.


17 posted on 12/19/2010 8:23:45 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: editor-surveyor

I agree. I wanted Jim to designate someone to manage it. I also think we should break down tasks into assignments and create small groups each lead by a senior FReeper.

I willing to do whatever. I’m hesitant to jump up and start giving direction, because let’s be honest, I’m not the most popular FReeper, and also because long-time FReepers don’t want a snot-nose newbie managing anything.

So I’m just fascilitating discussion and tossing out ideas.

Tex


18 posted on 12/19/2010 8:24:26 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; humblegunner; Red Steel

Good start, thanks very much.
I’ll check with you all tomorrow.


19 posted on 12/19/2010 8:27:23 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I’m in....we would need legal advice....there are varying kinds of PACS....some 9-12 groups have caused problems for themselves by the way they set up their PACs....tread carefully....and be certain of the goal(s) the PAC is interested in before making that decision.


20 posted on 12/19/2010 8:27:35 PM PST by goodnesswins (You deciding how to spend your health care $, thatÂ’s freedom. Govt deciding, thats a death panel)
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To: Syncro

Simple - just like you’ve stated.

RINOFreeAmerica

RINOFreeCongress


21 posted on 12/19/2010 8:29:04 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; humblegunner; Jim Robinson; Markos33

Add me to the list.

While you’re doing that, add this thought to the mental mulch:

Much time has been spent in the drive-by media and on talk radio as well (e.g. Rush) trying to analyze just who it is that comprises the “Independent” voters, who ultimately decide most elections.

Popular wisdom has it that those folks are “moderates” and that those candidates who have the most “moderate” views (read that as “unprincipled’) will appeal to this bloc.

My opinion is that nothing could be further from the truth. I believe that the great majority of Americans - especially those inclined to vote - are principled people. They take a stand in the way they live their lives and respond to candidates who will do the same.

Sometimes their reasons are thoughtful, even esoteric. But whether they get their opinions from careful reading of history and political philosophy, or just from the gut-felt sense of right and wrong that comes from their Christian and American upbringing, they naturally gravitate toward candidates who echo that sense in their hearts.

They have lines in the sand drawn on many issues, and whether they say it out loud or not, the spirit says “This far and NO FURTHER!” - and today, more have reached that point than ever before since the first American Revolution.

The time is right for a Conservative PAC, a Conservative party and truly Conservative candidates.

Compromise be damned. It serves only the end of evil. There is such a thing as right and wrong and America’s wars were not fought so that perverts, misfits, looters and leeches could feel warm and fuzzy about themselves at our expense.


22 posted on 12/19/2010 8:29:10 PM PST by shibumi (Trailerpark Viking Overlord Pablo (with His Dark Yet Whimsical Band of Cut Throats))
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To: goodnesswins

Definitely noted! I’ll include some of that potential for trouble in my summary report to the group.


23 posted on 12/19/2010 8:29:48 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: shibumi

Exactly. Big Tent = No Principles.


24 posted on 12/19/2010 8:32:23 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: editor-surveyor; BuckeyeTexan; Red Steel; Brices Crossroads; Syncro; Jim Robinson; kristinn; ...

It’s not going to take that much, once a summary is submitted and Buckeye Texan has volunteered to do that.

Research is underway, -— Brices Crossroads told me that he will look over the summary; laws, rules, regulations etc.

I’ll check here tomorrow.


25 posted on 12/19/2010 8:36:57 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
"Exactly. Big Tent = No Principles."

And in a small tent, you get to know exactly who it is that's keeping your "wig warm."

(Waiting for the tortured groans from the aidience I just "pun"ished.)
26 posted on 12/19/2010 8:40:18 PM PST by shibumi (Trailerpark Viking Overlord Pablo (with His Dark Yet Whimsical Band of Cut Throats))
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Please add me to the ping list.


27 posted on 12/19/2010 8:41:26 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; A Strict Constructionist; ..

For your consideration.

Ping to the:

SC list

Nikki Haley list

Linda Graham list

Alvin Green list

Jim DeMint list


28 posted on 12/19/2010 8:46:49 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

There are different catergorizations of Political Action Committees: connected and non-connected. Have you decided which one.


29 posted on 12/19/2010 8:53:21 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: BuckeyeTexan

ADD me to the list as well...


30 posted on 12/19/2010 8:55:20 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: BuckeyeTexan; humblegunner; onyx; Jim Robinson

humblegunner reviewed the prior thread for respondents and sent a Freepmail. Thank you very much humblegunner for doing that.

FWIW,
I responded using Freepmail describing my professional and political experience and limits of those so that my efforts can be as well utilized as possible.
WooHoo! Lets Roll!


31 posted on 12/19/2010 8:56:17 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward with Confidence!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
BTTT
32 posted on 12/19/2010 8:56:49 PM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

We don’t have a sponsoring corporation and the PAC needs to be separate from FR, so a nonconnected PAC seems the only way to go at the moment.

But I’m not making decisions. I’m just compiling research.


33 posted on 12/19/2010 8:59:14 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Ok. Just checking where you are at


34 posted on 12/19/2010 9:00:38 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: onyx; Red Steel; humblegunner; BuckeyeTexan; penelopesire; maggief; hoosiermama; SE Mom; ...

Have no experience in the workings of a political organization or PAC (not including watching the outcome of the life of the chief community organizer and his cohorts, who’ve brought us to this brink).

Pinging to a positive step forward, and soliciting those with experience and interest in this venture to chime in. Time to really work to take this country back !

Note: moderation isn’t a 4 letter word, yet it is .. ;).

BUMP!!


35 posted on 12/19/2010 9:01:56 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Will you review your research posted on the other thread and add it over here? Please?

OK, I'll copy to here.

36 posted on 12/19/2010 9:03:16 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: steveab

Please add me to the ping list.


37 posted on 12/19/2010 9:04:46 PM PST by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I’m in. Please add me to the ping list.

I’m sick of RINOS. If they don’t get their way they just stab conservatives in the back. See Lisa Murkowski, Mike Castle, etc.

OK, that’s good news. The bad news is that I won’t be able to contribute much money but I will give what I can.


38 posted on 12/19/2010 9:04:54 PM PST by Ticonderoga34 (Free Obama's Birth Certificate!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Thanks for the ping.


39 posted on 12/19/2010 9:05:53 PM PST by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
From the other thread.


"SSFs and Nonconnected PACs"

http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/ssfvnonconnected.shtml


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"Published in May 2008


Note: Portions of this publication may be affected by the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United v. FEC. Essentially, the Court's ruling permits corporations and labor organizations to use treasury funds to make independent expenditures in connection with federal elections and to fund electioneering communications. The ruling did not affect the ban on corporate or union contributions or the reporting requirements for independent expenditures and electioneering communications. The Commission is studying the Court's opinion and will provide additional guidance as soon as possible.

 

The press and public refer to all nonparty, noncandidate committees as PACs or political action committees. However, the Act and Commission Regulations distinguish between two types of PACs: separate segregated funds and nonconnected political committees (or nonconnected PACs). The article below discusses some of the major differences between these two types of political committees.

 
What is the principal difference between separate segregated funds and other PACs?

The Act prohibits corporations (profit or nonprofit), labor organizations and incorporated membership organizations from making direct contributions or expenditures in connection with federal elections. 2 U.S.C. §44lb. These organizations may, however, sponsor a separate segregated fund (SSF), popularly called a PAC, which collects contributions from a limited class of individuals and uses this money to make contributions and expenditures to influence federal elections. 11 CFR 100.6. As the sponsor of the SSF (i.e., its "connected organization"), the corporation, labor organization or incorporated membership organization may absorb all the costs of establishing and operating the SSF and soliciting contributions to it. These administrative expenses are fully exempted from the Act’s definitions of "contribution" and "expenditure." 11 CFR 114.1(a)(2)(iii).

By contrast, a nonconnected political committee, another type of PAC, is financially independent. This means that the nonconnected political committee must pay for its own administrative expenses, using the contributions it raises. Although an organization may spend funds to establish or support a nonconnected PAC, these expenditures are considered contributions to the PAC and are subject to the dollar limits and other requirements of the Act.

 
Do the reporting requirements vary for SSFs and nonconnected PACs?

Yes. An SSF is not required to report any fundraising or administrative expenses that are paid for by its sponsoring organization. (The SSF must, however, report these expenses if it pays for them.) On the other hand, a nonconnected PAC must report all its operating and solicitation expenses.

40 posted on 12/19/2010 9:06:52 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: BuckeyeTexan

One of the things to consider is whether the donations would be tax deductible. There is still time before 2010 closes out. It could be significant.


41 posted on 12/19/2010 9:07:14 PM PST by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: All

FYI - FReeper ErnstStavroBlofeld has experience in PACs and has been in leadership positions in them too.


42 posted on 12/19/2010 9:07:23 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Some links.


Recommended reading here from the FEC:


toolkitNonconnected PAC Registration Toolkit

Essential:

 

Recommended:

TOP

 

From this page:

http://www.fec.gov/info/toolkit.shtml#nonconnected

43 posted on 12/19/2010 9:08:59 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Kevmo

I believe if it is one of those 501(c) catagories that is tax deductable that candidates cannnot be endorsed

So IMO the donations will not be deductable for the type of PAC that is needed.


44 posted on 12/19/2010 9:11:50 PM PST by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I'm in. We would need a logo like this, modified somewhat. Image and video hosting by TinyPic
45 posted on 12/19/2010 9:12:11 PM PST by adm5 (AMERICA HAS ONLY GOD AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT LEFT TO SAVE THE REPUBLIC. by: LibLieSlayer 3/18/10)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

___________________________________________________________________

I’m a big tent republican.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821435/posts?page=6245#6245
Here’s an analogy to work with. Take a small box and fill it with some rocks. Then add some rice, filling it to the top. Now take all the same stuff, but in a different order. Put in the rice first, then add the rocks. What you’ll find is that if you put in the big stuff first, the small stuff will fit around it. But if you put in the small stuff first, the big stuff won’t have room. The republican tent is the box. The Big issues are the socon issues, to be put in first. The little issues are things that can be accommodated around the bigger stuff. A candidate who tries to focus on the smaller issues first and leave out the bigger issues has no way of getting all of us into the tent. He splits the party. The candidate who gets the big stuff right and as much of the little stuff that will fit, he can fit more into the tent. We’re often amazed at how much rice can keep fitting in. Rudy Giuliani flunks some of the big issues, and on some of the little issues it looks to me like anyone else’s rice would do just as well. All that remains for us to agree on is which are the bedrock principles and which are not. Why would there be so much invective aimed at rudy from the right? Because there are some bedrock principles that he is leaving out. Bad move. I see rudybot postings all the time saying that they would vote for Hunter, and I see socon postings that say they would not vote for rudy. That’s a BIG indicator of a few bedrock principles that are being left outside the tent in order to let in some rice.

___________________________________________________________________


46 posted on 12/19/2010 9:12:30 PM PST by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Some more...




Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:33:47 PM · 714 of 1,579
Red Steel to Jim Robinson; humblegunner; onyx; Syncro; BuckeyeTexan; GitmoSailor; kristinn; All

Great! We’ve got to get up to speed on the laws for organizing PACs at the federal level and separately in each and every state. Ain’t gonna be easy but it can be done! We should organize at the federal level immediately to target the RINO Senators due up in 2012!


To get started this is the place.

From the Federal Election Commission:

Quick Answers to PAC Questions and where to download the "PAC Registration Toolkit."

http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers_pac.shtml

And

Quick Answers to Common Questions

http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers.shtml

And

"How to Create a Political Action Committee"

http://www.ehow.com/how_2077352_create-political-action-committee.html

47 posted on 12/19/2010 9:12:39 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Kevmo

From what I’ve read thus far, no political contributions are tax deductible as the PAC is not a charitable org.


48 posted on 12/19/2010 9:13:37 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Red Steel
And at least one more.



Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:29:13 PM · 1,550 of 1,579
Red Steel to BuckeyeTexan; onyx; humblegunner

Just FYI - Even if the PAC incorporates for liability reasons, the FEC can go after the Treasurer in his personal (and official) capacity if it believes the Treasurer knowingly and willfully violated the law and/or recklessly failed to perform his duties.

Yup, the treasurer signs his/her name to the FEC 1 form.

The duties

Treasurer Responsibilities

You'll notice the FEC does recognize others can perform the Treasurer's duties.

http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/committee_treasurers_brochure.pdf

I would suggest that a salary isn’t going to be feasible until/unless the PAC is well established.

I agree.

49 posted on 12/19/2010 9:15:49 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Have you served as a Treasurer of a PAC? Our filing must designate a Treasurer, bank, and website.

Even if the PAC incorporates to limit liability, the FEC can still go after the Treasurer in his personal capacity if they believe he knowingly and willingly broke the law and/or recklessly failed to perform his duties. So our designated Treasurer must understand the implications of accepting the responsbility. He will be responsible for ensuring that the PAC complies with all federal laws.


50 posted on 12/19/2010 9:18:47 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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