Skip to comments.FReeper PAC discussion thread
Posted on 12/19/2010 7:55:43 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan
Saturday night, December 18, 2010, Jim floated the idea of forming a political action committe to organize an effort to defeat the RINOs in the upcoming 2012 and 2014 Congressional elections.
"Yup, I do believe its time. We need to organize an anti-RINO PAC and get it going in all 57 states to support and elect True God and Country Conservatives. We can do it!! FReeperPAC is born!"
472 posted on Saturday, December 18, 2010 6:46:47 PM by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
Many FReepers expressed interest in helping with the PAC, posted research/resources, made relevant suggestions, offered advice, etc. It's time to move that effort to its own thread.
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To move forward, we have to make some decisions. That's the purpose of this thread.
Pls add me to the ping list
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I have no idea how a PAC works but I’m willing to learn. Please add me to the ping list too!
“All 57 states”, LOL. JimRob, you crack me up! ;-)
Okay, first things first. In order to set up a Nonconnected PAC, we must designate a Committee Treasurer whose name and address will be public information; Well need to select a bank to handle our account/ funds; Well need an address for the Committee; We must file with he FEC before we collect or spend $1000.
If we need attorneys to handle/file the federal paperwork, do you want to use FRs regular attorneys or should we plan to find another firm? I know several FReepers who are attorneys. Maybe theyll do it pro bono or at cost.
1,328 posted on Sun Dec 19 17:04:00 2010 by BuckeyeTexan
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I want these fu**ing RINOs defeated...for good!
They’re a cancer on our party and the country!
Will you review your research posted on the other thread and add it over here? Please?
> “Neither humblegunner nor myself are attempting to manage this effort”
Everything needs a manager, or it becomes a headless horseman.
Do we have a mission statement yet?
(just something so everyone knows in general where we are headed and so won’t get their panties in a bunch)
Me, too. Thanks,
Please add me to your ping list. I’ll participate as I’m able.
Sounds like a plan being created.
Here's a couple of short versions from the text in the body of the thread:
Form a Political Action Committe to organize an effort to defeat the RINOs in the upcoming 2012 and 2014 Congressional elections.
An anti-RINO PAC and get it going in all 57 states to support and elect True God and Country Conservatives.
I’m in. Please add me to the PAC list. I’ve had it with this out of control “government”.
The loony left progressive have the Tides Foundation to help set action groups. You may want to check with conservative foundation for guidance.
I agree. I wanted Jim to designate someone to manage it. I also think we should break down tasks into assignments and create small groups each lead by a senior FReeper.
I willing to do whatever. I’m hesitant to jump up and start giving direction, because let’s be honest, I’m not the most popular FReeper, and also because long-time FReepers don’t want a snot-nose newbie managing anything.
So I’m just fascilitating discussion and tossing out ideas.
Good start, thanks very much.
I’ll check with you all tomorrow.
I’m in....we would need legal advice....there are varying kinds of PACS....some 9-12 groups have caused problems for themselves by the way they set up their PACs....tread carefully....and be certain of the goal(s) the PAC is interested in before making that decision.
Simple - just like you’ve stated.
Add me to the list.
While you’re doing that, add this thought to the mental mulch:
Much time has been spent in the drive-by media and on talk radio as well (e.g. Rush) trying to analyze just who it is that comprises the “Independent” voters, who ultimately decide most elections.
Popular wisdom has it that those folks are “moderates” and that those candidates who have the most “moderate” views (read that as “unprincipled’) will appeal to this bloc.
My opinion is that nothing could be further from the truth. I believe that the great majority of Americans - especially those inclined to vote - are principled people. They take a stand in the way they live their lives and respond to candidates who will do the same.
Sometimes their reasons are thoughtful, even esoteric. But whether they get their opinions from careful reading of history and political philosophy, or just from the gut-felt sense of right and wrong that comes from their Christian and American upbringing, they naturally gravitate toward candidates who echo that sense in their hearts.
They have lines in the sand drawn on many issues, and whether they say it out loud or not, the spirit says “This far and NO FURTHER!” - and today, more have reached that point than ever before since the first American Revolution.
The time is right for a Conservative PAC, a Conservative party and truly Conservative candidates.
Compromise be damned. It serves only the end of evil. There is such a thing as right and wrong and America’s wars were not fought so that perverts, misfits, looters and leeches could feel warm and fuzzy about themselves at our expense.
Definitely noted! I’ll include some of that potential for trouble in my summary report to the group.
Exactly. Big Tent = No Principles.
It’s not going to take that much, once a summary is submitted and Buckeye Texan has volunteered to do that.
Research is underway, -— Brices Crossroads told me that he will look over the summary; laws, rules, regulations etc.
I’ll check here tomorrow.
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For your consideration.
Ping to the:
Nikki Haley list
Linda Graham list
Alvin Green list
Jim DeMint list
There are different catergorizations of Political Action Committees: connected and non-connected. Have you decided which one.
ADD me to the list as well...
humblegunner reviewed the prior thread for respondents and sent a Freepmail. Thank you very much humblegunner for doing that.
I responded using Freepmail describing my professional and political experience and limits of those so that my efforts can be as well utilized as possible.
WooHoo! Lets Roll!
We don’t have a sponsoring corporation and the PAC needs to be separate from FR, so a nonconnected PAC seems the only way to go at the moment.
But I’m not making decisions. I’m just compiling research.
Ok. Just checking where you are at
Have no experience in the workings of a political organization or PAC (not including watching the outcome of the life of the chief community organizer and his cohorts, who’ve brought us to this brink).
Pinging to a positive step forward, and soliciting those with experience and interest in this venture to chime in. Time to really work to take this country back !
Note: moderation isn’t a 4 letter word, yet it is .. ;).
OK, I'll copy to here.
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I’m in. Please add me to the ping list.
I’m sick of RINOS. If they don’t get their way they just stab conservatives in the back. See Lisa Murkowski, Mike Castle, etc.
OK, that’s good news. The bad news is that I won’t be able to contribute much money but I will give what I can.
Thanks for the ping.
"SSFs and Nonconnected PACs"
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Note: Portions of this publication may be affected by the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United v. FEC. Essentially, the Court's ruling permits corporations and labor organizations to use treasury funds to make independent expenditures in connection with federal elections and to fund electioneering communications. The ruling did not affect the ban on corporate or union contributions or the reporting requirements for independent expenditures and electioneering communications. The Commission is studying the Court's opinion and will provide additional guidance as soon as possible.
The press and public refer to all nonparty, noncandidate committees as PACs or political action committees. However, the Act and Commission Regulations distinguish between two types of PACs: separate segregated funds and nonconnected political committees (or nonconnected PACs). The article below discusses some of the major differences between these two types of political committees.
The Act prohibits corporations (profit or nonprofit), labor organizations and incorporated membership organizations from making direct contributions or expenditures in connection with federal elections. 2 U.S.C. §44lb. These organizations may, however, sponsor a separate segregated fund (SSF), popularly called a PAC, which collects contributions from a limited class of individuals and uses this money to make contributions and expenditures to influence federal elections. 11 CFR 100.6. As the sponsor of the SSF (i.e., its "connected organization"), the corporation, labor organization or incorporated membership organization may absorb all the costs of establishing and operating the SSF and soliciting contributions to it. These administrative expenses are fully exempted from the Acts definitions of "contribution" and "expenditure." 11 CFR 114.1(a)(2)(iii).
By contrast, a nonconnected political committee, another type of PAC, is financially independent. This means that the nonconnected political committee must pay for its own administrative expenses, using the contributions it raises. Although an organization may spend funds to establish or support a nonconnected PAC, these expenditures are considered contributions to the PAC and are subject to the dollar limits and other requirements of the Act.
Yes. An SSF is not required to report any fundraising or administrative expenses that are paid for by its sponsoring organization. (The SSF must, however, report these expenses if it pays for them.) On the other hand, a nonconnected PAC must report all its operating and solicitation expenses.
One of the things to consider is whether the donations would be tax deductible. There is still time before 2010 closes out. It could be significant.
FYI - FReeper ErnstStavroBlofeld has experience in PACs and has been in leadership positions in them too.
Recommended reading here from the FEC:
Nonconnected PAC Registration Toolkit
- FEC Form 1 - Statement of Organization [PDF]
- Screen-fillable FEC Form 1 [PDF]
- Screen fillable FEC Form 1 with audio instructions [PDF]
- Committee Treasurers Brochure [PDF]
- Campaign Guide for Nonconnected Committees [PDF]
- Compliance with Laws Outside the FEC's Jurisdiction [PDF]
- Special Notices on Political Ads and Solicitations Brochure [PDF]
- Partnerships Brochure [PDF]
From this page:
I believe if it is one of those 501(c) catagories that is tax deductable that candidates cannnot be endorsed
So IMO the donations will not be deductable for the type of PAC that is needed.
Im a big tent republican.
Heres an analogy to work with. Take a small box and fill it with some rocks. Then add some rice, filling it to the top. Now take all the same stuff, but in a different order. Put in the rice first, then add the rocks. What youll find is that if you put in the big stuff first, the small stuff will fit around it. But if you put in the small stuff first, the big stuff wont have room. The republican tent is the box. The Big issues are the socon issues, to be put in first. The little issues are things that can be accommodated around the bigger stuff. A candidate who tries to focus on the smaller issues first and leave out the bigger issues has no way of getting all of us into the tent. He splits the party. The candidate who gets the big stuff right and as much of the little stuff that will fit, he can fit more into the tent. Were often amazed at how much rice can keep fitting in. Rudy Giuliani flunks some of the big issues, and on some of the little issues it looks to me like anyone elses rice would do just as well. All that remains for us to agree on is which are the bedrock principles and which are not. Why would there be so much invective aimed at rudy from the right? Because there are some bedrock principles that he is leaving out. Bad move. I see rudybot postings all the time saying that they would vote for Hunter, and I see socon postings that say they would not vote for rudy. Thats a BIG indicator of a few bedrock principles that are being left outside the tent in order to let in some rice.
To get started this is the place.
From the Federal Election Commission:
Quick Answers to PAC Questions and where to download the "PAC Registration Toolkit."
Quick Answers to Common Questions
"How to Create a Political Action Committee"
From what I’ve read thus far, no political contributions are tax deductible as the PAC is not a charitable org.
Yup, the treasurer signs his/her name to the FEC 1 form.
You'll notice the FEC does recognize others can perform the Treasurer's duties.
I would suggest that a salary isnt going to be feasible until/unless the PAC is well established.
Have you served as a Treasurer of a PAC? Our filing must designate a Treasurer, bank, and website.
Even if the PAC incorporates to limit liability, the FEC can still go after the Treasurer in his personal capacity if they believe he knowingly and willingly broke the law and/or recklessly failed to perform his duties. So our designated Treasurer must understand the implications of accepting the responsbility. He will be responsible for ensuring that the PAC complies with all federal laws.
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