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Enrollment of Muslim students is growing at Catholic colleges in U.S.
Washington Post ^ | December 20, 2010 | William Wan

Posted on 12/20/2010 5:01:32 AM PST by Hawk720

On a quick break between classes last week, Reef Al-Shabnan slipped into an empty room at Catholic University to start her daily prayers to Allah.

In one corner was a life-size painting of Jesus carrying the cross. In another, the portrait of a late priest and theologian looked on. And high above the room hung a small wooden crucifix.

This was not, Shabnan acknowledged, the ideal space for a Muslim to pray in. After her more than two years on campus, though, it has become routine and sacred in its own way. You can find Allah anywhere, the 19-year-old from Saudi Arabia said, even at the flagship university of the U.S. Catholic world.

In the past few years, enrollment of Muslim students such as Shabnan has spiked at Catholic campuses across the country. Last year, Catholic colleges had an even higher percentage of Muslim students than the average four-year institution in the United States, according to the Higher Education Research Institute. The influx has astonished and sometimes befuddled administrators. Some Catholic campuses are creating prayer rooms for new Muslim students and hiring Islamic chaplains to minister to them. Others are unsure how to adapt.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholiccolleges; globaljihad; highereducation; muslimstudents

1 posted on 12/20/2010 5:01:36 AM PST by Hawk720
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To: Hawk720
Others are unsure how to adapt.

...while your unsure,they are not......

2 posted on 12/20/2010 5:07:15 AM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Hawk720

They’re not even presenting a horse statue to trick us, they’re just going right past the portcullis and the open square and plopping down in the middle of the yard with prayer mats in hand.

Folks, we’ve crossed so many points of no return that we’re barreling down the track at full speed with the approaching bridge collapsed in the river below.


3 posted on 12/20/2010 5:10:09 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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Ashura — a religious holiday commemorating the death of Imam Hossein

May be she/he/it wanted to celibrate by bloodying people around her/him/it.

4 posted on 12/20/2010 5:11:06 AM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Hawk720
Some Catholic campuses are creating prayer rooms for new Muslim students and hiring Islamic chaplains to minister to them.

Am I the only one that sees a problem with this?

5 posted on 12/20/2010 5:13:23 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: Hawk720

How about the Catholic administrators NOT catering to their false religion? Are they so blind or just stupid?! Don’t come to a Catholic Univ unless you accept the faith. PERIOD!


6 posted on 12/20/2010 5:14:35 AM PST by NewCenturions
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To: Hawk720
Some Catholic campuses are creating prayer rooms for new Muslim students and hiring Islamic chaplains to minister to them.

This is just wrong on so many levels.

This epitomizes what is wrong with our country today.

7 posted on 12/20/2010 5:17:11 AM PST by Allegra (I painted fuchsia stripes on my elbows.)
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To: Hawk720
“Some Catholic campuses are creating prayer rooms for new Muslim students and hiring Islamic chaplains to minister to them. “

WHY!

Catholicism has NOTHING in common with Islam except maybe Fatima. Mohammad's daughter claimed she saw Mary. It's nuts but that's the only thing they may have in common. How anyone that claimed to see a ghost would KNOW it was Mary is beyond me since there are NO IMAGES of her. A fallen angel was certainly rewarded by Satan. For Christians, it's ALL ABOUT CHRIST!

8 posted on 12/20/2010 5:21:27 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Allegra
Merry Christmas, Allegra!

Remembering fondly our lunch at Reagan...was it 4 years ago?!

9 posted on 12/20/2010 5:21:39 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: Just A Nobody
I don't understand it.

Accommodating EVIL is not the Christian thing to do!

Islam is EVIL to the core.

Didn't the Catholic Pope also warn their followers NOT to marry Islamic people? I'm not Catholic, but I thought I read this somewhere on FR. If this is true, then WHY cater to EVIL?

10 posted on 12/20/2010 5:24:32 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Just A Nobody

No, YOU’RE NOT THE ONLY ONE !!!

I just forward this to my sweetie. His dad, Knights of Columbus bigwig, will be incensed.


11 posted on 12/20/2010 5:25:21 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Hawk720

The Catholic Universities began to break away from the faith more than 40 years ago. The saddest part is that they were allowed to do so. As far as I can see, these are, for the most part, no longer Catholic in anything but name. None of my children will ever attend at most of them. And it’s the weaselish, sniveling political correctness and lack of moral center that is causing events like those described in the article to occur. By the same token, classes on islam (forever small i) at a purported Catholic university. How low we have fallen from the days when the Catholic university was a bastion of civilization. (Sorry for all the vitriol - celiac issues today)


12 posted on 12/20/2010 5:26:17 AM PST by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: Hawk720

That would be liberal catholic schools.Unreal.


13 posted on 12/20/2010 5:26:28 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: nmh

nmh, look up the Land-o-lakes rebellion. These were once (not now), Catholic in much more than name. Not anymore. Otherwise, BHO wouldn’t have been invited to speak, solely based on the abortion/embryonic stemm cell stance/actions.


14 posted on 12/20/2010 5:29:24 AM PST by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: nmh
Because America is under the most aggressive attack ever ... by Satan.

We started as a Christian nation and as long as we were primarilly Christian; God fearing, honoring and believing .. we were blessed and protected by God.

When we complacently told God to leave our hearts and ignored His pleas, He, though still knocking, lost effectiveness because of the hardness of our hearts.


I'm sorry, but Catholicism was an easy target and wholly conquerable religion with it's diversity of worship ... The traditional God, Jesus and Holy Spirit .. but Mary, many saints, holy places and icons as well.


One could almost make a comparison to the many gods of Buddhism.


Dear Catholics ... if you decide to truly accept the holy war against the satanic Allah and it adherants... I will be there with you.

15 posted on 12/20/2010 5:32:01 AM PST by knarf (Who's Holi ? - Christ I know, you obviously don't - let me tell you about him - Romans 10:13)
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To: Hawk720
The influx has astonished and sometimes befuddled administrators.

Just wait until they begin demanding equal rights .... and their own prayer rooms ... and prayer times ... and the right to 'process' a goat in their dorm room.

By then, the 'administrations' will be so dependent on the arab oil money coming in that they will capitulate to the demands.


16 posted on 12/20/2010 5:32:22 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: knarf

diversity of worship ... The traditional God, Jesus and Holy Spirit .. but Mary, many saints, holy places and icons as well.

Roman Catholics do not pray to icons,Mary or the Saints.

They ask them to pray for them.


17 posted on 12/20/2010 5:42:13 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Just A Nobody
Merry Christmas, Allegra!

And a Merry Christmas to you, too!

Remembering fondly our lunch at Reagan...was it 4 years ago?!

Good grief...it sure was. It was in December of '06. Time sure flies when you're having fun!

(I keep telling myself this is "fun.") ;-)

18 posted on 12/20/2010 5:45:17 AM PST by Allegra (I painted fuchsia stripes on my elbows.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

I understand that, but generally speaking .. people do not see it that way.


19 posted on 12/20/2010 5:45:19 AM PST by knarf (Who's Holi ? - Christ I know, you obviously don't - let me tell you about him - Romans 10:13)
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To: knarf
Yes ... but Christians do have common ground with Catholics and that is Christ. The unwise use of PRAYING TO Mary and other dead sinners does separate us as well as some “interpretation” differences but still, CHRIST is the centerpiece of their religion. Catholics should know better than to accommodate Islam which is totally evil.
20 posted on 12/20/2010 5:49:53 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
Again, most people do not see Catholicism that way.

I don't want to pick a fight with Catholics here ... I did that years ago ... I'm commenting on what is now a reality in America and it BY GOD should never have gotten this way.

21 posted on 12/20/2010 5:57:35 AM PST by knarf (Who's Holi ? - Christ I know, you obviously don't - let me tell you about him - Romans 10:13)
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To: sayuncledave
“nmh, look up the Land-o-lakes rebellion. These were once (not now), Catholic in much more than name. Not anymore. Otherwise, BHO wouldn’t have been invited to speak, solely based on the abortion/embryonic stemm cell stance/actions.”

What does ANY of this have to do with accommodating ISLAM at a Catholic College?

Okay, I did look it up. As a nonCatholic I am not familiar with the Land of Lakes Rebellion of 1967. Here is what I found on it

http://archives.nd.edu/episodes/visitors/lol/idea.htm

I'm not going to wade through the gobbledygook.

Thank GOD, I'm Bible based. It's so much easier ... . Canyou cut through the chase and tell me what I am supposed to see?

22 posted on 12/20/2010 5:57:44 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

“diversity of worship ... The traditional God, Jesus and Holy Spirit .. but Mary, many saints, holy places and icons as well.

Roman Catholics do not pray to icons,Mary or the Saints.

They ask them to pray for them.”

Catholics DO pray TO MARY and other dead siiners to INTERCEDE for them.

ROMAN CATHOLICS most CERTAINLY DO PRAY TO MARY and other DEAD SINNERS to INTERCEDE for them. They WILL pray to statues and ICONS to accomplish this. Let’s NOT lie about that FACT.


23 posted on 12/20/2010 6:01:05 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Hawk720

It’s all about the money...tuition from anyone who will pay it.

Astonishingly, Catholic Colleges no longer adhere to Catholic Doctrine.


24 posted on 12/20/2010 6:05:24 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!)
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To: Hawk720

Someday, not too far in the future, these universities will begin to fall to the muslims, one by one.
When that happens you won’t see the muslims allowing Catholics to pray to Jesus on campus.


25 posted on 12/20/2010 6:06:20 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Damn it, Jim! I'm a doctor not a race relations Czar in the Obama administration.")
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To: Hawk720

Very interesting post and thread. The collectivization of collectives...watch Catholic University morph into a mosque, a barracks, a base camp for Allah’s asymmetric warriors.

from citizen warrior...

19. It provides a huge and inspiring goal. Leaders of countries or companies or religions have all discovered that you can get the most motivation and enthusiasm from your followers if you provide them with an expansive vision. An enormous goal. In the Islamic memeplex, the goal calls for a continuous effort to expand the domain of Islamic law until all the world has submitted to Islam.

Many religions have the goal of converting everyone, but Islam has a method available nobody else has: To expand by seizing and converting governments to Shari’a.

20...

Several memes within Shari’a law extend this effect. Non-Muslims are not allowed to build any new houses of worship. They’re not even allowed to repair already-existing churches or synagogues. This puts the houses of worship of any competing memeplex in a state of permanent decline. Brilliant.

Much more...(here)

http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/10/terrifying-brilliance-of-islamic.html


26 posted on 12/20/2010 6:06:24 AM PST by PGalt
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To: sayuncledave

We now see what a disaster it has been to allow Christian religious institutions to be hijacked by secular left wing forces. We have thrown away some of the most powerful weapons in the culture war and then we wonder at the results.

Pathetic and disturbing. The left and radical Islam certainly understood how important it is to suborn these institutions.


27 posted on 12/20/2010 6:08:45 AM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: Hawk720

This is probably caused by many Islamic Studies ‘experts’ come from Catholic Universities, such as Georgetown (John Esposito) and Notre Dame (Gabriel Reynolds). Those schools perhaps start Islamic Studies to prepare missionaries understand Muslims, but later changed into centers for Islamic apologetics.


28 posted on 12/20/2010 6:08:57 AM PST by paudio (The differences between Clinton and 0bama? About a dozen of former Democratic Congressmen.)
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To: Hawk720

>> Some Catholic campuses are creating prayer rooms for new Muslim students and hiring Islamic chaplains to minister to them.<<

“That even the very elect would be deceived.”


29 posted on 12/20/2010 6:09:55 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: knarf
I'm not Catholic but I DO know what they believe.

Catholics have some common ground with Christianity but also UNCOMMON ground.

An honest Catholic will admit that they DO pray to Mary and other dead sinners they believe are in heaven to intercede for them. I don't know HOW they come to this idea but they have told me, they INFER this as being proper.

As a Christian, I would NEVER do that nor “infer” this since the Bible states otherwise. Christ has given us the Holy Spirit who will intercede on our behalf to Christ and Christ on behalf of God (Trinity). Christ is the mediator for Christians.

“And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,”
Hebrews 12:24

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” 1 Timothy 2:5.

NOT Mary or other dead sinners

He is not only God, but man; not only man, but God: a blessed reconciler of man to God, and of God to man. Galatians 4:4-5.

Who intercedes for us?

Romans 8:26 and 27

[26] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

[27] And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

I'm not picking a fight with Catholics. It IS what the Bible states and there is no “mystery” on the interpretation of this. Scripture CLARIFIES Scripture. Dead sinners can't hear anyone on earth, however fallen angels would love to have you DISTRACTED from CHRIST and do all possible to PREVENT a personal relationship with Christ. Through praying to dead sinners, this accomplishes that.

I could say more, but I will stop there.

30 posted on 12/20/2010 6:11:05 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
I agree .. I didn't want this thread to get off track into doctrinal differences/discussions/arguments.

I truly believe it IS .. Onward Christian Soldiers, but I'm afraid many patriots are not ready to be warriors.

And I also truly believe it IS a time for war.

They declared it Sept. 11, 2001.

31 posted on 12/20/2010 6:19:14 AM PST by knarf (Who's Holi ? - Christ I know, you obviously don't - let me tell you about him - Romans 10:13)
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To: Hawk720

We need to remember that there are “Catholic” universities and then there are Catholic universities.

Fortunately, the Church is beginning to take a deeper look at all of this and I expect that we will see some of these institutions eventually lose their official *Catholic* status.


32 posted on 12/20/2010 6:24:31 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: NewCenturions

Ahh, let’s bring back the Knights Templars and I will be a Crusader for Christ. How can this be when a religion allows anopther religion to join them with out converting? What has God brought to his people? First the gays in the priest hood, lack of Nuns and now this? Who ever lets a muslim in a Catholic church with a prayer mat facing mecca, may they be d@mned for all time.


33 posted on 12/20/2010 6:43:50 AM PST by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: knarf
A spiritual war has been going on for some time now ... and the PACE has quickened.

Who would believe that America would exalt PERVERTS, homosexuals and allow them to OPENLY DISPLAY their PERVERSION in our military?

Who would believe that we would ALLOW an evil person like Obama to be elected? He totally MOCKS Christianity?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RWHdQBMgb4

Just look at his ARROGANCE and DEFIANCE!

Nose up in the air - haughty! Try watching Obama's face WITHOUT sound. He can hardly contain his utter disdain of Christians and the Bible. We should also be looking out for Catholics. God loves them too and they have time to reconsider what the TRUTH is. They are so close ... and then deviate.

34 posted on 12/20/2010 6:46:39 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: SumProVita

“We need to remember that there are “Catholic” universities and then there are Catholic universities.”

True, but Catholic University of America in DC that is highlighted in this article is widely considered one of the more stringent Catholic universities. Their president (or did he recently leave?) has taken a lot of flak for trying to keep his Catholic school actually Catholic. We’re not just talking about the Georgetowns and Notre Dames.

Aside from the Catholic schools that turn away federal dollars, and can therefore write their own rules, this will be the trend.


35 posted on 12/20/2010 6:52:46 AM PST by Hawk720
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To: Hawk720
IMHO the admission of so many students from Islamic countries to study at U.S. universities, whether they be Catholic, Private or Public is treasoness and falls at the feet of the U.S. State Department.

They issue the Student Visa's and by issuing these visas so freely, they are setting America up for disasterous consequences.

The U.S. State Dept. acts as if it had nothing to do with issuing visas to the 09-11- hijackers. Their visa give-a-way to Islamic peoples needs to be stopped dead.

36 posted on 12/20/2010 6:54:56 AM PST by gitmogrunt
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To: Hawk720

The Catholic Church in this country is a joke. First they coddle illegals and now this.


37 posted on 12/20/2010 7:04:02 AM PST by DemonDeac
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Many Catholic colleges are no longer really Catholic. Georgetown ceased any pretensions decades ago. Notre Dame was more hypocritical, but lowered the mask when it celebrated and fawned over the Abortionist in Chief while simultaneously persecuting, hounding, and (still) attempting to imprison the 88 pro-life Catholics that peacefully protested the university's overt rejection of Catholic beliefs and arrogant defiance of the Catholic hiearchy. Notre Dame's president is a priest who has clearly lost the faith. The Board consists largely of business people interested only in money, not at all in the Catholic Faith. Sure Muslims are welcome: in the morally relative world of New Notre Dame, anything goes.
38 posted on 12/20/2010 7:08:46 AM PST by Godwin1
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To: Hawk720
If one reads the article, one will discover a couple of facts:

- There are 91 Muslims enrolled at the Catholic University of America. That's out of 6700 students, both graduate and undergraduate, of whom 88% of undergraduates are Catholic and 61% of graduates are Catholic;

- All undergraduates are required to take religion and philosophy courses, including core courses which will require them to read the Christian Bible as well as to learn basics of Christian faith.

I submit that it is a good thing to permit a small number of Muslims to go to places like the Catholic University of America, as they will be introduced to an environment rich in Catholic faith and will be exposed to authentic Catholic teaching (CUA is, at this time, one of the more orthodox Catholic colleges in the United States. Far from perfect, but even farther from its nadir in the 1970s and 1980s).

It may be few, if any, Muslims that are converted, but at least they will be exposed to something outside of Islam. I have a hard time seeing this as a bad thing.

Interestingly, my own exposure to Islam began at CUA when I was an undergraduate. I took a course that was primarily about Islam and its conflict with Christianity from the time of its inception through the Middle Ages. The course, although respectful of Islam, nonetheless was presented from a thoroughly Catholic perspective.

39 posted on 12/20/2010 7:09:31 AM PST by sitetest ( If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Hawk720

And, “The Cancer Grows.” Let one cell in and soon we will have as big a tumor as Europe.


40 posted on 12/20/2010 7:11:52 AM PST by JayAr36
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To: Hawk720

Having gone to grad school at a local Catholic college with a large Muslim population, I can tell you this:

1. The Muslim population at MY school was attracted by the school’s devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Hence, these Muslims were overwhelmingly those who saw Christians as “brothers of the Book,” rather than “infidels.”

2. The spiritual effect such students would have had on the school WOULD HAVE been largely positive, as such, had the school leaders (faculty, administration, and student leaders) saw this as means for teaching THEM how to be more like US, rather than how WE must accomodate THEM.

3. Nonetheless, as such a small (one might even say “parochial” if that wouldn’t cause confusion) college, even that was harmless, because it wasn’t the sort of educational experience centered around establishing liberal “rights.” However, at the undergraduate, Jesuit school I attended, I could imagine that could be absolutely insidious... But that school lacked the Marian appellation, and probably only minimally attracts such Muslims.


41 posted on 12/20/2010 7:14:02 AM PST by dangus
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To: nmh

Sure, happy to. In a nutshell, the Catholic universities in this country essentially declared their independence from the authority of the Church. Up until this time (~1967), the universities were obliged to follow the Church, as they should, having been founded with that in mind. As of the late sixties, when this began, the majority of the Catholic universities in America began to diverge, widely, from Church teachings, moral and otherwise. Not all have followed this path, but many. Thus we have the campus political climates that yield things like the obamanator’s appearance at Notre Dame, or the shenanigans at Washington’s favorite Jesuit university, et al. I’m not an expert, by any means, just a Catholic who mourns these happenings, for himself, fellow Catholics (we are Bible-based, by the way), and other Bible-based Christians, such as yourself. The Land-o-lakes rebellion gave us ostensibly Catholic universities so politically correct and progressive that they repudiate their own founding principles, and welcome this horror. Sorry for running on, but again, it’s a celiac day for me. Suffice it to say that, had the rebellion not been allowed, we wouldn’t have this garbage going on at Catholic campuses at all. Just my humble opinion though. I hope that helps.


42 posted on 12/20/2010 7:15:04 AM PST by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: Hawk720
Waiting for the news story where the Muslim college in Saudi Arabia is making special rooms for Catholics to pray in.

...waiting....

...waiting....

...still waiting....

43 posted on 12/20/2010 7:37:15 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Hawk720
It seems like the appropriate response would be to call the “offended” student into the office and explain a few thing to him:

Dean: Muhomed, we've called you in her to say that we've noticed that you're a little slow.

Muhomed: How is that, Mr. Dean, sir?

Dean: Well, were you arare that this is a CATHOLIC University?

Muhomed: Well....

Dean: The word “Saint” in the title didn't give you a clue?

Muhomed: Of course, I knew, infidel! The streets will run red with your own blood. You will surely swim in your own blood along with hundreds of millions of Americans! We will win, this I guarantee.

Anyways, what are you going to do to accommodate me? I demand that my wishes be met quickly or else I will go the TV and expose the fact that you have offended me! A much worse crime to your media and your leaders than a threat of killing a mere few hundred million of you.

44 posted on 12/20/2010 7:45:33 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Allegra

As a Catholic I am pretty much just speechless at this point.


45 posted on 12/20/2010 8:09:37 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Hawk720

There is no allah.

islam is a lie.

Fin.


46 posted on 12/20/2010 8:48:14 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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