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Christmas trees 'make non-Christians feel excluded'
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Posted on 12/20/2010 7:52:19 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Christmas trees 'make non-Christians feel excluded'

Christmas trees should be removed from public places to avoid making non-Christians feel “excluded”, scientists have suggested

By Andy Bloxham 11:43AM GMT 20 Dec 2010

Researchers at Simon Fraser University in Canada, found non-Christians feel less self-assured and have fewer positive feelings if a Christmas tree was in the room.

The scientists conducted the study using 77 Christians and 57 non-believers, including Buddhists and Sikhs.

The participants did not know the survey was about Christmas, and were asked to fill in questions about themselves both when a 12-inch Christmas tree was in the room and when it was not.

"Non-celebrators" reported fewer positive feelings and less self-assurance in the Christmas room. Christians were mostly cheered by the tree.

Christians, however, did report feeling more guilt when a tree was in the room, which, claim the researchers, suggests the holidays can be stressful.

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Researchers...........what a waste of time & money..
1 posted on 12/20/2010 7:52:24 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Tough hop..


2 posted on 12/20/2010 7:53:06 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Merry Christmas!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

My car is old. Being around new cars makes me feel excluded. So I guess they should get rid of all of the new cars.


3 posted on 12/20/2010 7:53:29 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes, they “feel less self assured” when a reminder is in the room that there is an ultimate truth that they are rejecting.

The Law is written on all human hearts. Whenever there is a reminder, it rears its head up to convict the sinner.


4 posted on 12/20/2010 7:53:58 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Christians, however, did report feeling more guilt when a tree was in the room, which, claim the researchers, suggests the holidays can be stressful.


What a dumbass. He makes an assertion as to the source of the guilt based on his own secular worldview assumptions.


5 posted on 12/20/2010 7:55:23 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I
DON'T
CARE!


6 posted on 12/20/2010 7:56:05 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: NEMDF
My body is old. Being around new, sexy bodies makes me feel excluded. So, I guess all the new, sexy bodies should cover up in burkas??
7 posted on 12/20/2010 7:57:01 AM PST by Humal
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To: Sub-Driver
Perhaps those who feel "excluded" should get themselves an aluminium pole and celebrate "Festivus"!!!???

Then they'd be in the majority! (After all, Budhists, muslims, islamics, Hindus and a host of others do not strictly "celebrate" Christmas. Totalled up, they make up the majority!)

8 posted on 12/20/2010 7:57:04 AM PST by Logic n' Reason (You can roll a turd in powered sugar; that don't make it a jelly donut)
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To: Sub-Driver
A "Christmas" tree is not a Christian symbol. It is a pagan symbol. Ever see a Christmas tree in a Catholic church? Possibly, but it ought not be there.

Some people need to get over themselves.

9 posted on 12/20/2010 7:57:59 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Inspiration. The momentary cessation of stupidity.)
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To: Sub-Driver

So if I feel excluded from Ramadan, Muslims must give it up?


10 posted on 12/20/2010 7:58:21 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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To: NEMDF

There are too many illegal aliens getting free stuff, and it makes me feel excluded, let’s get rid of all the illegal aliens.......


11 posted on 12/20/2010 7:58:42 AM PST by sniper63 (Did you plug the hole in the border yet daddy........)
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To: Sub-Driver

Do they want a tissue? Here’s a thought: Deal with it!? =.=
Good frakin grief.


12 posted on 12/20/2010 7:58:42 AM PST by cranked
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To: NEMDF
My car is old. Being around new cars makes me feel excluded. So I guess they should get rid of all of the new cars.

Hey, that's nothing. We're just getting one of ours back today after a week in the shop. I think we should get rid of all functioning cars, just to boost my sense of self-worth...

13 posted on 12/20/2010 7:58:55 AM PST by bcsco
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You know better.
The secular left isn’t opposed to “religion”,
they’re opposed to Christianity.


14 posted on 12/20/2010 7:59:12 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I am sick and tired of worrying about how people feel.

Too damn bad, the exclusion is self generated.


15 posted on 12/20/2010 7:59:24 AM PST by dforest
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To: Sub-Driver

F-em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


16 posted on 12/20/2010 7:59:31 AM PST by Circle_Hook
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To: Sub-Driver

I feel the excluded every time I see a unicorn or rainbow but I don’t go a bitching & moaning about it.


17 posted on 12/20/2010 7:59:37 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes, and so do British flags...and unveiled women...


18 posted on 12/20/2010 7:59:51 AM PST by Elpasser
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To: Sub-Driver

Well boo hoo. I also have emotions when I see something I am uncomfortable with- child abuse and neglect, animal abuse and neglect, elderly abuse and neglect, kidnappings, drunk drivers, repeat violent offenders, welfare recipients who are fully capable of working, illegals who overload our welfare system while continuing to squirt out anchor babies, homocide bombers...

You see, these are BAAAAADDD things. A Christmas tree reminds us of and stands for GOOD things. If something makes you uncomfortable, I suggest you go to a place where Christmas trees are nonexistant. Like Riyahd. And take your whole family. Our welfare program could use the break.


19 posted on 12/20/2010 7:59:51 AM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Sub-Driver

not like those “Non-Muslims Forbidden” signs around Mecca make anyone feel excluded or anything...


20 posted on 12/20/2010 8:00:24 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NEMDF

“My car is old. Being around new cars makes me feel excluded. So I guess they should get rid of all of the new cars”.

...LOL! Exactly!


21 posted on 12/20/2010 8:00:55 AM PST by albie
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To: Sub-Driver; Elsie

Sorry, researchers at Simon Fraser University in Canada.

Have you confused me with someone that really gives a rats ass what you think?


22 posted on 12/20/2010 8:02:04 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America)
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To: Sub-Driver

“Researchers at Simon Fraser University in Canada...”

Say no more. I’m already releasing the safety...”


23 posted on 12/20/2010 8:02:07 AM PST by sand lake bar
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To: Sub-Driver

When I watch the “Oscar” presentations I never get one. I feel excluded. No more Oscars.


24 posted on 12/20/2010 8:02:07 AM PST by albie
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To: Sub-Driver

Will it make ‘em happy if we top the Christmas tree with a pentagram?


25 posted on 12/20/2010 8:02:21 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

So if I feel excluded from Ramadan, Muslims must give it up?
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No, you must skip eating too...so they don’t feel alone.


26 posted on 12/20/2010 8:02:35 AM PST by Irenic
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To: Sub-Driver
Christmas trees 'make non-Christians feel excluded'

Exactly what Christmas trees have to do with Christianity is beyond me but, nevertheless, if this is indeed the case, there's one simple solution for you excluded-feeling non-Christians out there.

Repeat after me: "Lord, forgive me, a sinner...."

27 posted on 12/20/2010 8:02:54 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Sub-Driver
Christmas trees should be removed from public places to avoid making non-Christians feel “excluded”, scientists have suggested

Shouldn't scientists be busying themselves with discovering cures for illness or something? Last I checked this isn't their area of expertise.

28 posted on 12/20/2010 8:03:43 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Sub-Driver

But I put my Christmas tree outside to INCLUDE them in my holiday. If I wanted to exclude them, I’d put it inside where they couldn’t see it.


29 posted on 12/20/2010 8:04:20 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Why should they “feel excluded”?
Christmas has become the most all inclusive holiday ever, through commercialization and secularization.............


30 posted on 12/20/2010 8:05:34 AM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an “idiot”, you can be sure that you are doing to something right.)
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To: Red Badger

A Christmas tree is just a fir tree.
It can’t “make you feel” anything.

That’s all up to the internal interpreter.


31 posted on 12/20/2010 8:06:29 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Sub-Driver

atheism sucks - no holidays

agnosticism sucks- maybe there’s a holiday, maybe not, who knows?

paganism sucks- clouds cover the sun and moon - the gods are unavailable, but please leave a message

and then for the rest of us, there’s festivus.


32 posted on 12/20/2010 8:06:33 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Sub-Driver

The crap that passes for scientific study these days is just a joke - these things are all so subjective in nature to call it science is insulting.


33 posted on 12/20/2010 8:07:07 AM PST by Baum Threat
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To: Sub-Driver
"Non-celebrators" reported fewer positive feelings and less self-assurance in the Christmas room.


34 posted on 12/20/2010 8:07:13 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Correct. Christmas trees originated with the Druids and other Germanic tribes. They would burn yule logs, decorate evergreens and shoot flaming arrows into the sky in an attempt to keep the sun from burning out as the days were getting noticeably shorter. The festival concluded on December 25 when it became clear that their efforts had paid off, i.e. the days were starting to get gradually longer.

The real birthday of Jesus Christ was about the time of the Jewish passover. Christian missionaries changed it around the 4th century to convert the Germanic tribes. It also made sense symbolically as the birth of Jesus brought light into the world.

35 posted on 12/20/2010 8:07:33 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Sub-Driver
Researchers at Simon Fraser University in Canada, found non-Christians feel less self-assured and have fewer positive feelings if a Christmas tree was in the room.

Good. Get out.

When I am in Turkey, the muezzin doesn't make me feel bad. When I am in Israel, the diminution in traffic after sundown on Friday bothers me not.

Even in Salt Lake City, the lack of coffee shops is fine with me.

36 posted on 12/20/2010 8:08:03 AM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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To: MrB

FEELINGS

Feelings, nothing more than feelings,
trying to forget my feelings of love.
Teardrops rolling down on my face,
trying to forget my feelings of love.

Feelings, for all my life I’ll feel it.
I wish I’ve never met you, girl; you’ll never come again.

Feelings, wo-o-o feelings,
wo-o-o, feel you again in my arms.

Feelings, feelings like I’ve never lost you
and feelings like I’ve never have you again in my heart.

Feelings, for all my life I’ll feel it.
I wish I’ve never met you, girl; you’ll never come again.

Feelings, feelings like I’ve never lost you
and feelings like I’ve never have you again in my life.

Feelings, wo-o-o feelings,
wo-o-o, feelings again in my arms.
Feelings...(repeat & fade)

- Morris Albert


37 posted on 12/20/2010 8:08:39 AM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an “idiot”, you can be sure that you are doing to something right.)
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To: Red Badger

Those who feel excluded should do what I do when Cinco de Mayo rolls around. Buy some beer and forget about it...


38 posted on 12/20/2010 8:09:15 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Sub-Driver

I can produce studies which show that non-Christians get excited at the sight of a Christmas tree. The number of people who are non-Christian but who nonetheless celebrate Christmas is a very large number inside and outside the US.

One stdy means nothing, partitularly when it contradicts the experience of people in Japan and other countries.

The sample is not significant anyway.


39 posted on 12/20/2010 8:10:06 AM PST by texmexis best (`)
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To: Sub-Driver

More feedback from Whine 101.

The perpetually offended.


40 posted on 12/20/2010 8:10:26 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Red Badger

Beaker Sings "Feelings"

41 posted on 12/20/2010 8:11:17 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Sub-Driver
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42 posted on 12/20/2010 8:11:40 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all of my FReeper FRiends!)
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To: a fool in paradise

...and St. Patrick’s Day.....................


43 posted on 12/20/2010 8:13:27 AM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an “idiot”, you can be sure that you are doing to something right.)
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To: Sub-Driver

to damn bad...welcome to America...if you don’t like it...leave.


44 posted on 12/20/2010 8:14:02 AM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: NEMDF

Well hey I don’t have (fill in the blank) or I don’t have enough ( fill in the blank again) or even worse-I can not get my tree put together correctly- doggone it, I want someone over here right now to take care of that. And part of that of course will be to bring a big pile of expensive presents (or one big one, a new car) complete with taxes and tags paid for.

What a pathetic pile of poo.

It is attitudes like this exclusion bit, whine moan groan feel sorry for me that gives us a country full of little children’s mentality that puts us in the dangerous situation we are in today.

Okay My soap box is set aside for now.


45 posted on 12/20/2010 8:14:35 AM PST by handmade
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To: MrB
Yes, they “feel less self assured” when a reminder is in the room that there is an ultimate truth that they are rejecting.

I highly doubt you'll bet a Sikh to feel that way.

46 posted on 12/20/2010 8:15:22 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Sub-Driver
Christmas trees 'make non-Christians feel excluded'

In a Christian country, are they implying that's a bad thing?

In the case of Christianity, all are welcome to be included (unlike some other religions I could name). That's where we get the whole "Peace on earth" thing. The complete quote, as I recall, is "Peace on earth to men of good will."

You know what "good will" means, right? Among other things, that means as long as you very special non-Christian people don't bring bombs, and you know who you are.

47 posted on 12/20/2010 8:15:38 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Sub-Driver
...non-Christians feel less self-assured and have fewer positive feelings if a Christmas tree was in the room.

Good! There's WHOLE COUNTRIES all setup to make people like them feel good, where you won't see a Christmas Tree anywhere. Go there ASAP!

48 posted on 12/20/2010 8:16:26 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Texas Eagle
Exactly what Christmas trees have to do with Christianity is beyond me

The part of the report they left out, "Practicing pagans felt neither guilty nor excluded with the tree in the room."

49 posted on 12/20/2010 8:17:04 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Sub-Driver; All
NONSENSE! Absolute Tommy rot!

It is their own problem. How they see things is entirely up to their own interpretations, their own educational foundations, religious, secular, Radical, Atheist. etc. Who cares what bothers them.

some are bothered ny sunshine, some are bothered by rain, some are bothered by animals, Some are bothered by fur coats. Do they eat meat? That bothers the vegetarians.

ENOUGH ALREADY, BE QUIET AND MOVE ASIDE. LIVE WITH IT.

THAT IS WHAT FREEDOM IS ALL ABOUT: FREEDOM OF CHOICE AS LONG AS it is NOT physically HARMFUL, OR PAINFUL, FORCING OTHERS TO ANOTHERS WILL.

50 posted on 12/20/2010 8:17:08 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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