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67 Percent of Marine Combat Forces Say Putting Homosexuals in Their Units Will Hurt...
CNSNews ^ | December 20, 2010 | Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 12/20/2010 12:23:19 PM PST by jazusamo

U.S. Marine in Afghanistan

A U.S. Marine Corps sergeant in
action in Sangin, Afghanistan on
Nov. 9, 2010. (Defense Department
photo/Lance Cpl. Dexter S.
Saulisbury, U.S. Marine Corps)

(CNSNews.com) - 66.5 percent of U.S. Marine combat forces surveyed by a special Defense Department working group said that putting homosexuals in their units would hurt their effectiveness in the field, and 47.8 percent of Marines in combat units specifically said putting homosexuals in their units would hurt their effectiveness “in an intense combat situation.”

The U.S. Congress voted last week to repeal the law—commonly known as Don’t Ask, Don’ Tell—that barred homosexuals from serving in the military.

Earlier this year, after President Barack Obama said in his 2010 State of the Union Address that he wanted to end the ban on homosexuals in the military, Defense Secretary Robert Gates put together a special working group to begin making plans for integrating homosexuals into the Armed Forces if Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell were in fact repealed.

The working group secured the services of Westat Corporation, a polling company, to survey more than 115,000 active duty service members on their attitudes and views about integrating homosexuals into the military. Among those surveyed by Westat were 989 men serving in Marine combat units.

Question 71a in Westat’s survey of these Marine combat forces read as follows: “If Don't Ask, Don't Tell is repealed and you are working with a Service member in your immediate unit who has said he or she is gay or lesbian, how, if at all, would it affect your immediate unit's effectiveness at completing its mission ... In a field environment or out to sea?” The Marines were given 6 options for answering: Very positively, Positively, Equally as positively as negatively, Negatively, Very negatively, No effect.

The Marines in combat units answered as follows:

Very positively: 2.9 percent

Positively: 3.0 percent

Equally as positively as negatively: 18.8 percent

Negatively: 23.9 percent

Very negatively: 42.6 percent

No effect: 8.7 percent

Only a combined 5.9 percent said putting a homosexual in their combat unit would have a positive or very positive effect on their ability to complete their mission in the field, while 66.5 percent said it would have either a negative or very negative effect.

Almost half of the Marine combat forces surveyed specifically said placing a homosexual in their unit would have a negative or very negative effect on the unit’s effectiveness even in “an intense combat situation.”

Question 71c in Westat’s survey of Marine combat forces read as follows: “If Don’t Ask, Don't Tell is repealed and you are working with a Service member in your immediate unit who has said he or she is gay or lesbian, how, if at all, would it affect your immediate unit's effectiveness at completing its mission... In an intense combat situation”

The Marines in combat units answered as follows:

Very positively: 3.2 percent

Positively: 6.0 percent

Equally as positively as negatively: 28.4 percent

Negatively: 17.8 percent

Very negatively: 30.0 percent

No effect: 16.7 percent

Last week, before Congress voted to lift the ban on homosexuals in the military, Gen. James Amos, the commandant of the Marines, told reporters that he opposed lifting the ban because of what he had heard from Marines about it.

"The forces that wear this uniform, that are in the middle of what I call the real deal, came back and told their commandant of the Marine Corps they have concerns," Gen. Amos told the reporters. "That's all I need. I don't need a staff study. I don't need to hire three PhDs to tell me what to interpret it," he said. "If they have concerns, I do, too. It's as simple as that."

Gen. Amos said the distraction of having homosexuals in the ranks could cost Marines their lives. “Mistakes and inattention or distractions cost Marines lives. That’s the currency of this fight,” said Gen. Amos. “I don’t want to lose any Marines to the distraction. I don’t want to have any Marines that I’m visiting at Bethesda [National Naval Medical Center] with no legs be the result of any type of distraction.”

To see the full results of from the survey of U.S. Marines on the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell click here.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: combat; commies; dadt; dadtrepeal; homosexualagenda; marines
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1 posted on 12/20/2010 12:23:25 PM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

I am disgusted and ashamed at what our government has done to our military.


2 posted on 12/20/2010 12:26:17 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: cvq3842

Who’d have guessed there would come a day when the Boy Scouts had tougher standards than the military?


3 posted on 12/20/2010 12:28:37 PM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: jazusamo

We might as well make everything COED now. Since there is no real good way to separate the fags from the normal people. Why not let the straight guys check out the women since the fags get to check out the straight men.


4 posted on 12/20/2010 12:29:06 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: jazusamo

Even children know being gay is Queer..


5 posted on 12/20/2010 12:29:24 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: jazusamo
In Obama’s upside down world, this is a positive. He caters to the far left while weakening the US military and increasing casualties to justify further US withdrawals.
6 posted on 12/20/2010 12:30:40 PM PST by Truth29
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To: jazusamo
"We don't care"

- Richard Burr (R) North Carolina - Mark Kirk (R) Illinois - John Ensign (R) Nevada - Scott Brown (R) Massachusetts - George Voinovich (R) Ohio - Lisa Murkowski (R) Alaska - Olympia Snowe (R) Maine - Susan Collins (R) Maine.

7 posted on 12/20/2010 12:31:23 PM PST by americanophile
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To: jazusamo

8 posted on 12/20/2010 12:32:39 PM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: cvq3842

No matter what Gates, Mullen, high ranking poofters and the RATS & RINOS in the Senate and House say, this is going to hurt our military.


9 posted on 12/20/2010 12:33:49 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Truth29

He is a Saudi puppet and dead American troops please the saudi king and islam. The Saudis and Islam bought the white hut for $700 million in 2008. The same saudis who fund al qeada.

The American public has no clue as to the saudi investments and deals in ALL 6 US TV networks which own all the channels on TV. I try to tell people here but they think AL Waleed Fox is their friend or they think it is a big joke becaus ethey put the TV clicker ahead of liberty.

People need to stop whining and the stupid pink/gay jokes and start thinking how to turn this around.


10 posted on 12/20/2010 12:35:50 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: jazusamo

Reid said on National TV that 70% thought it would be NO problem! POS.


11 posted on 12/20/2010 12:35:51 PM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: jazusamo

There will be serious negative effects.


12 posted on 12/20/2010 12:37:37 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: Cheetahcat

Amen to that.


13 posted on 12/20/2010 12:38:04 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

This is just the beginning of this war, not the end.


14 posted on 12/20/2010 12:41:01 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Men who legislate against the natural law are like moths confidently flying into a bug zapper.)
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To: jazusamo

“Hey you, Nancy Boy, take point as we navigate through this minefield.”


15 posted on 12/20/2010 12:41:01 PM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: jazusamo
The Marines already have gays. Nothing new here. You can create, repeal, whatever any rule you want but it won't change the central fact about gays in the Marines: if they are open about it and in a Rifle Company, a grunt, they will be hazed/transferred out to a non-combat support role just as females would be.

Grunts will always be combat effective.

16 posted on 12/20/2010 12:42:13 PM PST by gandalftb (OK State, 10-2, Go #14 Cowboys! Valero Alamo Bowl 12/29 Beat AZ!)
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To: jazusamo; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ..
RE :”(CNSNews.com) - 66.5 percent of U.S. Marine combat forces surveyed by a special Defense Department working group said that putting homosexuals in their units would hurt their effectiveness in the field, and 47.8 percent of Marines in combat units specifically said putting homosexuals in their units would hurt their effectiveness “in an intense combat situation.” The U.S. Congress voted last week to repeal the law—commonly known as Don’t Ask, Don’ Tell—that barred homosexuals from serving in the military.”

Democrat's big lame duck win, big celebration on Maddows MSNBC show tonight. The reason they were able to pull this off is that Obama/gates/MSM were able to shape public opinion by only presenting only one side to the public, the homos side. There was no real (bad sounding) argument made against it repeated over and over, even on FNC. I remember in 1993 when Clinton tried this All Hell broke loose in the MSM and he backed off. This time the media and even many Republicans, went along.

To make this backfire on Democrats will require lots of stories of how the implementation is not working, and the leaking of the sensitivity training materials to the alternative media much like what was done with Obama-care.

17 posted on 12/20/2010 12:43:00 PM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: jazusamo

...A pause to remember a great leader America once had. America has no such leaders now.

18 posted on 12/20/2010 12:43:24 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: jazusamo

Blah blah blah ... just think how nicely the barracks and chow halls will be decorated, though. /sarc


19 posted on 12/20/2010 12:44:34 PM PST by Jackson57
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To: ScottinVA

BUMP!


20 posted on 12/20/2010 12:47:01 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: gandalftb

Wonderful so the force will have the offices infected with sexual degenerates like the one who stole so many secret files and published them, and the equipment maintenance rpoviders will be too busy with their deviancy to actually maintain the equipment the force depends upon. Yes, I can see why the democrap party sent this one up the rear of the force. Disgusting anti-American democrats


21 posted on 12/20/2010 12:47:31 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: gandalftb

Yep. Could be a lot of “friendly fire” incidents too. Not too subtle but everyone will eventually get the message. Whiffnpoofs relegated to REMF status.


22 posted on 12/20/2010 12:48:40 PM PST by technically right
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To: ScottinVA

I didn’t think I could miss President Reagan more... until seeing his picture again

TT

(It’s gotta be 5:00 somewhere)


23 posted on 12/20/2010 12:56:21 PM PST by TexasTransplant (I don't mind liberals... I hate liars...there just tends to be a high degree of overlap)
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To: jazusamo

I’m no expert in any of this but it seems that if one were to stick his/her head out of the fox hole after coming out... it might end up being a one way ticket... So... I suspect this might become a self regulating situation real fast...


24 posted on 12/20/2010 12:59:19 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: jazusamo

It’s probably going to hurt a few homo’s before it’s over.

Any real man is only disgusted by these creeps, if they are smart they will still not tell.


25 posted on 12/20/2010 1:24:26 PM PST by Venturer
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To: jazusamo

Doesn’t matter. The Beast has won this one.


26 posted on 12/20/2010 1:33:39 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: cvq3842

Watch. The draft will be reinstated now.


27 posted on 12/20/2010 1:36:59 PM PST by cubreporter ( Trust Rush and you won't go wrong.)
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To: cvq3842

These marines would sure look good in something more grey, with little blue X’s on them.


28 posted on 12/20/2010 1:41:19 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jazusamo

Gates & Mullen have private “man time together” ever Wednesday afternoon.


29 posted on 12/20/2010 1:42:44 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: cvq3842

I am disgusted and ashamed at the utter villainy displayed by this lame duck Congress. Their utter contempt for the opinions and beliefs of the majority of the citizens of the nation are beyond despicable.


30 posted on 12/20/2010 1:46:29 PM PST by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")
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To: technically right

“in the rear with the gear” has a new meaning.

so does REMF:
“rear entry man f’r”


31 posted on 12/20/2010 1:51:55 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: jazusamo

When the military sees it’s enlistments and retention drop like ROCK,,,What will Wash.do? Start requireing 1st. Sgts. and Unit CO’s to attend blow-job school,,,wouldn’t put it past Wash.


32 posted on 12/20/2010 2:13:43 PM PST by Waco (From Seward to Sarah)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Yes, the “rear echelon” will take on new meaning, as will “bringing up the rear”.


33 posted on 12/20/2010 2:16:33 PM PST by SgtHooper
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To: jazusamo

Let the homo’s fight our wars. The straights ought to boycott volunteering until this mess is straightened out. I would not serve with a flamer.


34 posted on 12/20/2010 2:20:26 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: SgtHooper

and what a soiree putting your “junk on the bunk” could become.


35 posted on 12/20/2010 2:41:03 PM PST by Huaynero
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To: jazusamo
I'm conflicted on this one. I'm all for fair is fair, but it does affect straights, no matter what they say. Try to bring your kids up with a certain moral perspective and you'll get hammered by everyone from the schools to the courts. As I keep saying, “Freedom is not license.”

From a logical point of view, however, blood to blood contact in a war zone or on the front as we used to call it is just as much a problem from intravenous drug users or roustabouts who have slept around indiscriminately (i.e Magic Johnson) as it is from gay male populations. I cannot see how it could impact lesbians in the services, unless they are drug abusers.

The other old saw is there would be sexual harassment by superiors to subordinates. Well, if you can't make an ass out of yourself with the opposite sex in the military without facing a courts martial, odds are you won't be able to make a pass at the same sex, either. Code of Conduct cuts across the board.

Finally, if somebody is gay in the military, having lived in close quarters with that somebody, everybody probably knows they're gay already. Avoid taking showers at the same time if it rattles your cage. Tell them what your boundaries are, i.e. if you can't make Mr. Happy sit down, then don't be coming around me. We all encountered gays in college and dealt with it. Trust me if there were bullets whizzing past my ears, the last thing I'd be thinking about is whether Lance or Dykette were attracted to me. It would be about the last thing on my mind.

I asked my son who just graduated last Thursday from TBS (had a great time up there — I just love the Marines — they're funny, smart-ass and truly adorable in an “I realize you can kill me at any time” sort of way. They're loyal, totally giving and caring and dedicated to each other.) Anyhoo, son shrugged his shoulders and said, “Just not at this time while we're at war.”

I think he's come to the same conclusion as I. So long as Rules of Conduct apply and there are certain protections put in place for those zany heathens, then whatever. Of course, his father doesn't feel that way, as most of my generation's males seem to think. It's just not something they want to deal with or think about.

36 posted on 12/20/2010 2:54:31 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: jazusamo

How many Gays are in the services. I bet not that many.


37 posted on 12/20/2010 3:08:39 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

There’s no reason to be conflicted. Homosexual conduct is immoral conduct and should not be condoned in our military.

Obama, Gates, Mullen, high ranking poofters and the RATS and RINOS in the Senate and House have no right to force this on our military, right now the finest military in the world. I hope it stays that way but have my doubts.


38 posted on 12/20/2010 3:10:06 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

There will way too many when they’re serving openly.


39 posted on 12/20/2010 3:11:55 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
What gets me is that it is only67 per cent.
40 posted on 12/20/2010 3:32:57 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: jazusamo

I bet there aren’t that many. I doubt ten thousand total in all the services.


41 posted on 12/20/2010 3:36:42 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: arthurus

Yep, I hear you. It’s over 2/3 but being it’s combat forces I would have expected higher. I don’t know for sure but do you know if all Marines are considered combat forces?


42 posted on 12/20/2010 3:42:36 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

These useful idiots have bought into the promise of elite status by thier masters. Their masters will eliminate them when thier usefulness has expired.


43 posted on 12/20/2010 3:45:48 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I am sure Dems everywhere are saddened deeply if their are negative effects. They are praying folks will oblige them by exacerbating this. There were some in when I was, they didn’t last too long with their ultra sensitive side. On the other hand, the gays who are threatening to rape my pastor and his two teenage boys are scary. It just goes to show, they are singularly pathological and collectively dangerous. They will target young men in the military and do unspeakable things. I am saying this knowing full well my son is planning on signing up. I told him to get a combat job or aviation to keep these sickos away.


44 posted on 12/20/2010 4:01:16 PM PST by momincombatboots (In a few months I will be Ore..Gone! Look out Crater Lake, here we come!)
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To: jazusamo

Whatever the USMC version is of what we USN swabbies called “blanket parties”, expect an increase of same.


45 posted on 12/20/2010 4:14:08 PM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty too! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: jazusamo

I’ll believe the statistic when they talk with their feet.

Current unemployment will keep most in no matter what


46 posted on 12/20/2010 4:23:37 PM PST by hattend (The meaning of the 2010 election was rebuke, reject, and repeal. - Sarah Palin)
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To: momincombatboots
My grandson starts basic in February.

What is going to happen to a straight kid who slaps the crap out of the first fairy who tries to start something? What if saying no isn't enough?

This whole damned mess is a setup for disaster!

47 posted on 12/20/2010 4:45:31 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: MHGinTN
I don't want to be misunderstood here. Everyone needs to keep their sexuality and urges to themselves when they are in uniform.

There are lots of MOS's where gays can serve effectively in all of the services, just the same as women. Let them serve. Fraternization in uniform cannot be allowed whether hetero or homo sexual. That destroys morale in all the ranks.

What is unique are Marines who are also grunts. No women, no gays. Grunts are the only Service/MOS that are exempt from separate sleeping quarters. Grunts sleep together sometimes because of tactical requirements. For that reason, grunts will run off open gays.

48 posted on 12/20/2010 4:59:09 PM PST by gandalftb (OK State, 10-2, Go #14 Cowboys! Valero Alamo Bowl 12/29 Beat AZ!)
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To: jazusamo
67 Percent of Marine Combat Forces Say Putting Homosexuals in Their Units Will Hurt...

Did they get a few words switched around?
49 posted on 12/20/2010 5:09:35 PM PST by aruanan
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To: ScottinVA

The only good president in my lifetime. God bless Uncle Ronnie.


50 posted on 12/20/2010 5:28:36 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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