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Posted on 12/20/2010 12:23:19 PM PST by jazusamo
(CNSNews.com) - 66.5 percent of U.S. Marine combat forces surveyed by a special Defense Department working group said that putting homosexuals in their units would hurt their effectiveness in the field, and 47.8 percent of Marines in combat units specifically said putting homosexuals in their units would hurt their effectiveness in an intense combat situation.
The U.S. Congress voted last week to repeal the lawcommonly known as Dont Ask, Don Tellthat barred homosexuals from serving in the military.
Earlier this year, after President Barack Obama said in his 2010 State of the Union Address that he wanted to end the ban on homosexuals in the military, Defense Secretary Robert Gates put together a special working group to begin making plans for integrating homosexuals into the Armed Forces if Dont Ask, Dont Tell were in fact repealed.
The working group secured the services of Westat Corporation, a polling company, to survey more than 115,000 active duty service members on their attitudes and views about integrating homosexuals into the military. Among those surveyed by Westat were 989 men serving in Marine combat units.
Question 71a in Westats survey of these Marine combat forces read as follows: If Don't Ask, Don't Tell is repealed and you are working with a Service member in your immediate unit who has said he or she is gay or lesbian, how, if at all, would it affect your immediate unit's effectiveness at completing its mission ... In a field environment or out to sea? The Marines were given 6 options for answering: Very positively, Positively, Equally as positively as negatively, Negatively, Very negatively, No effect.
The Marines in combat units answered as follows:
Very positively: 2.9 percent
Positively: 3.0 percent
Equally as positively as negatively: 18.8 percent
Negatively: 23.9 percent
Very negatively: 42.6 percent
No effect: 8.7 percent
Only a combined 5.9 percent said putting a homosexual in their combat unit would have a positive or very positive effect on their ability to complete their mission in the field, while 66.5 percent said it would have either a negative or very negative effect.
Almost half of the Marine combat forces surveyed specifically said placing a homosexual in their unit would have a negative or very negative effect on the units effectiveness even in an intense combat situation.
Question 71c in Westats survey of Marine combat forces read as follows: If Dont Ask, Don't Tell is repealed and you are working with a Service member in your immediate unit who has said he or she is gay or lesbian, how, if at all, would it affect your immediate unit's effectiveness at completing its mission... In an intense combat situation
The Marines in combat units answered as follows:
Very positively: 3.2 percent
Positively: 6.0 percent
Equally as positively as negatively: 28.4 percent
Negatively: 17.8 percent
Very negatively: 30.0 percent
No effect: 16.7 percent
Last week, before Congress voted to lift the ban on homosexuals in the military, Gen. James Amos, the commandant of the Marines, told reporters that he opposed lifting the ban because of what he had heard from Marines about it.
"The forces that wear this uniform, that are in the middle of what I call the real deal, came back and told their commandant of the Marine Corps they have concerns," Gen. Amos told the reporters. "That's all I need. I don't need a staff study. I don't need to hire three PhDs to tell me what to interpret it," he said. "If they have concerns, I do, too. It's as simple as that."
Gen. Amos said the distraction of having homosexuals in the ranks could cost Marines their lives. Mistakes and inattention or distractions cost Marines lives. Thats the currency of this fight, said Gen. Amos. I dont want to lose any Marines to the distraction. I dont want to have any Marines that Im visiting at Bethesda [National Naval Medical Center] with no legs be the result of any type of distraction.
To see the full results of from the survey of U.S. Marines on the repeal of Dont Ask, Dont Tell click here.
I am disgusted and ashamed at what our government has done to our military.
Who’d have guessed there would come a day when the Boy Scouts had tougher standards than the military?
We might as well make everything COED now. Since there is no real good way to separate the fags from the normal people. Why not let the straight guys check out the women since the fags get to check out the straight men.
Even children know being gay is Queer..
- Richard Burr (R) North Carolina - Mark Kirk (R) Illinois - John Ensign (R) Nevada - Scott Brown (R) Massachusetts - George Voinovich (R) Ohio - Lisa Murkowski (R) Alaska - Olympia Snowe (R) Maine - Susan Collins (R) Maine.
No matter what Gates, Mullen, high ranking poofters and the RATS & RINOS in the Senate and House say, this is going to hurt our military.
He is a Saudi puppet and dead American troops please the saudi king and islam. The Saudis and Islam bought the white hut for $700 million in 2008. The same saudis who fund al qeada.
The American public has no clue as to the saudi investments and deals in ALL 6 US TV networks which own all the channels on TV. I try to tell people here but they think AL Waleed Fox is their friend or they think it is a big joke becaus ethey put the TV clicker ahead of liberty.
People need to stop whining and the stupid pink/gay jokes and start thinking how to turn this around.
Reid said on National TV that 70% thought it would be NO problem! POS.
There will be serious negative effects.
Amen to that.
This is just the beginning of this war, not the end.
“Hey you, Nancy Boy, take point as we navigate through this minefield.”
Grunts will always be combat effective.
Democrat's big lame duck win, big celebration on Maddows MSNBC show tonight. The reason they were able to pull this off is that Obama/gates/MSM were able to shape public opinion by only presenting only one side to the public, the homos side. There was no real (bad sounding) argument made against it repeated over and over, even on FNC. I remember in 1993 when Clinton tried this All Hell broke loose in the MSM and he backed off. This time the media and even many Republicans, went along.
To make this backfire on Democrats will require lots of stories of how the implementation is not working, and the leaking of the sensitivity training materials to the alternative media much like what was done with Obama-care.
...A pause to remember a great leader America once had. America has no such leaders now.
Blah blah blah ... just think how nicely the barracks and chow halls will be decorated, though. /sarc
Wonderful so the force will have the offices infected with sexual degenerates like the one who stole so many secret files and published them, and the equipment maintenance rpoviders will be too busy with their deviancy to actually maintain the equipment the force depends upon. Yes, I can see why the democrap party sent this one up the rear of the force. Disgusting anti-American democrats
Yep. Could be a lot of “friendly fire” incidents too. Not too subtle but everyone will eventually get the message. Whiffnpoofs relegated to REMF status.
I didn’t think I could miss President Reagan more... until seeing his picture again
(It’s gotta be 5:00 somewhere)
I’m no expert in any of this but it seems that if one were to stick his/her head out of the fox hole after coming out... it might end up being a one way ticket... So... I suspect this might become a self regulating situation real fast...
It’s probably going to hurt a few homo’s before it’s over.
Any real man is only disgusted by these creeps, if they are smart they will still not tell.
Doesn’t matter. The Beast has won this one.
Watch. The draft will be reinstated now.
These marines would sure look good in something more grey, with little blue X’s on them.
Gates & Mullen have private “man time together” ever Wednesday afternoon.
I am disgusted and ashamed at the utter villainy displayed by this lame duck Congress. Their utter contempt for the opinions and beliefs of the majority of the citizens of the nation are beyond despicable.
“in the rear with the gear” has a new meaning.
so does REMF:
“rear entry man f’r”
When the military sees it’s enlistments and retention drop like ROCK,,,What will Wash.do? Start requireing 1st. Sgts. and Unit CO’s to attend blow-job school,,,wouldn’t put it past Wash.
Yes, the “rear echelon” will take on new meaning, as will “bringing up the rear”.
Let the homo’s fight our wars. The straights ought to boycott volunteering until this mess is straightened out. I would not serve with a flamer.
and what a soiree putting your “junk on the bunk” could become.
From a logical point of view, however, blood to blood contact in a war zone or on the front as we used to call it is just as much a problem from intravenous drug users or roustabouts who have slept around indiscriminately (i.e Magic Johnson) as it is from gay male populations. I cannot see how it could impact lesbians in the services, unless they are drug abusers.
The other old saw is there would be sexual harassment by superiors to subordinates. Well, if you can't make an ass out of yourself with the opposite sex in the military without facing a courts martial, odds are you won't be able to make a pass at the same sex, either. Code of Conduct cuts across the board.
Finally, if somebody is gay in the military, having lived in close quarters with that somebody, everybody probably knows they're gay already. Avoid taking showers at the same time if it rattles your cage. Tell them what your boundaries are, i.e. if you can't make Mr. Happy sit down, then don't be coming around me. We all encountered gays in college and dealt with it. Trust me if there were bullets whizzing past my ears, the last thing I'd be thinking about is whether Lance or Dykette were attracted to me. It would be about the last thing on my mind.
I asked my son who just graduated last Thursday from TBS (had a great time up there — I just love the Marines — they're funny, smart-ass and truly adorable in an “I realize you can kill me at any time” sort of way. They're loyal, totally giving and caring and dedicated to each other.) Anyhoo, son shrugged his shoulders and said, “Just not at this time while we're at war.”
I think he's come to the same conclusion as I. So long as Rules of Conduct apply and there are certain protections put in place for those zany heathens, then whatever. Of course, his father doesn't feel that way, as most of my generation's males seem to think. It's just not something they want to deal with or think about.
How many Gays are in the services. I bet not that many.
There’s no reason to be conflicted. Homosexual conduct is immoral conduct and should not be condoned in our military.
Obama, Gates, Mullen, high ranking poofters and the RATS and RINOS in the Senate and House have no right to force this on our military, right now the finest military in the world. I hope it stays that way but have my doubts.
There will way too many when they’re serving openly.
I bet there aren’t that many. I doubt ten thousand total in all the services.
Yep, I hear you. It’s over 2/3 but being it’s combat forces I would have expected higher. I don’t know for sure but do you know if all Marines are considered combat forces?
These useful idiots have bought into the promise of elite status by thier masters. Their masters will eliminate them when thier usefulness has expired.
I am sure Dems everywhere are saddened deeply if their are negative effects. They are praying folks will oblige them by exacerbating this. There were some in when I was, they didn’t last too long with their ultra sensitive side. On the other hand, the gays who are threatening to rape my pastor and his two teenage boys are scary. It just goes to show, they are singularly pathological and collectively dangerous. They will target young men in the military and do unspeakable things. I am saying this knowing full well my son is planning on signing up. I told him to get a combat job or aviation to keep these sickos away.
Whatever the USMC version is of what we USN swabbies called “blanket parties”, expect an increase of same.
I’ll believe the statistic when they talk with their feet.
Current unemployment will keep most in no matter what
What is going to happen to a straight kid who slaps the crap out of the first fairy who tries to start something? What if saying no isn't enough?
This whole damned mess is a setup for disaster!
There are lots of MOS's where gays can serve effectively in all of the services, just the same as women. Let them serve. Fraternization in uniform cannot be allowed whether hetero or homo sexual. That destroys morale in all the ranks.
What is unique are Marines who are also grunts. No women, no gays. Grunts are the only Service/MOS that are exempt from separate sleeping quarters. Grunts sleep together sometimes because of tactical requirements. For that reason, grunts will run off open gays.
The only good president in my lifetime. God bless Uncle Ronnie.