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Retiree Care to Cost City $4.4 Billion (San Francisco has set aside $9.7 million to cover costs)
NY Times ^ | 12/16/10 | ELIZABETH LESLY STEVENS

Posted on 12/20/2010 12:55:08 PM PST by Libloather

Retiree Care to Cost City $4.4 Billion
By ELIZABETH LESLY STEVENS
Published: December 16, 2010

After months of delays, the San Francisco controller’s office announced Thursday that it expected the city to pay $4.4 billion to provide municipal retirees and their dependents with lifetime health benefits.

The city has set aside $9.7 million to cover the costs.

The estimate of San Francisco’s unmet health care liability has been closely watched by ratings agencies, labor unions and other groups concerned about the city’s long-term finances. Moody’s Investors Service downgraded San Francisco’s debt rating in November, citing the enormous retiree health-care obligations, among other factors.

In an interview, Benjamin Rosenfield, the city’s controller, said that the situation would be worse if the city had not enacted changes that went into effect last year. New city employees must pay 2 percent of their salary into a health care trust fund. Requirements to receive lifetime coverage were also tightened.

But Mr. Rosenfield said tens of thousands of employees are still entitled to lifetime coverage, and they pay nothing into the fund. “The bad news is the liability associated with the employees hired before” 2009 who contribute nothing, Mr. Rosenfield said.

He said the city’s liability will grow to $9.7 billion by 2033 if no further measures are taken.

To put the $4.4 billion liability in perspective, San Francisco has borrowed $2.6 billion through general obligation bonds in its entire history.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: billion; million; retiree; sanfrancisco
$4.4 billion - $9.7 million - it's just about the same.
1 posted on 12/20/2010 12:55:12 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

To politicians it is.


2 posted on 12/20/2010 12:56:24 PM PST by DemonDeac
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To: Libloather

I knew that the average Democrat municipal office holder was severely math challenged. But WOW!


3 posted on 12/20/2010 12:56:28 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Want to buy a Bridge?


4 posted on 12/20/2010 12:59:12 PM PST by troy McClure
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To: All

Want to buy a Bridge?


5 posted on 12/20/2010 12:59:25 PM PST by troy McClure
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To: Libloather

CA and its cities spent billions on wealth transfer, education and healthcare for criminal illegal immigrants, and mondo expensive pensions, WHEN THEY KNEW THAT THEY DIDN’T HAVE THE MONEY!!!!!!

It was all in the plan to raises taxes, get a Federal bailout and move to a Marxist system out of Washington.


6 posted on 12/20/2010 1:01:45 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: Libloather

The only place they will go would be with large fees on everyone’s property taxes to pay these lottery sized benefits.


7 posted on 12/20/2010 1:02:20 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Libloather

Unions payed about 150 million to elect Brown.


8 posted on 12/20/2010 1:05:14 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Libloather

“$4.4 billion - $9.7 million “

See what happens when colleges admit the totally unqualified?

They did it with congress, they did it with the Obamaloon.


9 posted on 12/20/2010 1:08:45 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Libloather

> it expected the city to pay $4.4 billion to provide municipal retirees and their dependents with lifetime health benefits.

>The city has set aside $9.7 million to cover the costs.
the city’s controller, said that the situation would be worse if the city had not enacted changes......

How could it be worse? What is the difference in the order of magnitude of impossible tasks?

Is it harder to lift a 2,000 pound stone or a 5,000 pound stone with your bare hands?


10 posted on 12/20/2010 1:08:53 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Libloather

Two Tenths of one percent!


11 posted on 12/20/2010 1:09:40 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Libloather
New city employees must pay 2 percent of their salary into a health care trust fund.

That'll help.

12 posted on 12/20/2010 1:11:45 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Libloather
Sounds like an over-dependence on the San Francisco tooth fairy.

I'll bet that $9 million isn't in cash, either. Probably some “full faith and credit” IOU.

13 posted on 12/20/2010 1:14:01 PM PST by Mobties (Let the markets work! Reduce the government footprint!)
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To: Libloather
YES, we have no money, we have no more money today. Libland is running on fumes.
14 posted on 12/20/2010 1:14:58 PM PST by JPG (A new sheriff is on her way and she's ready to cleanup Dodge.)
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To: Libloather

This type of “management” should be a crime with those responsible breaking big rocks into little ones. Instead, this is a game of the greater fool with the city expecting the state to bail them out and the state expecting the Federal government to do the same.


15 posted on 12/20/2010 1:16:49 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Libloather

“(San Francisco has set aside $9.7 million to cover costs)”

That would probably cover the costs of pain killers and euthanasia.


16 posted on 12/20/2010 1:28:38 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Libloather

Their 9.7 million dollars won’t even cover a years supply of condoms and drugs needed to keep their welfare cases alive and humping each other.


17 posted on 12/20/2010 1:37:11 PM PST by soycd
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To: Libloather

Just send all non-public employee city residents a bill for their share. They vote for this crap, let them pay for it.


18 posted on 12/20/2010 1:37:29 PM PST by PogySailor (The ruling class will not go down easily. And neither will their paid hacks.)
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To: Libloather

Talk about fuzzy math....


19 posted on 12/20/2010 1:47:06 PM PST by abigailsmybaby ( I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did. Yogi Berra)
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To: Libloather
RE: "New city employees must pay 2 percent of their salary into a health care trust fund"

Well damn... and the tax payers pick up the remaining?

Last time I visited San Fran (summer 2006)... my hotel bill was loaded with tons of taxes / fees... now I know where it went.

20 posted on 12/20/2010 2:06:20 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Libloather

What do the politicians care as long as they can continue to buy votes with other people’s money?


21 posted on 12/20/2010 3:02:45 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Libloather

Watch what happens the next time SF goes to the debt markets to borrow some $$$


22 posted on 12/20/2010 3:13:17 PM PST by ken5050 (I don't need sex.....the government screws me every day..)
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To: Libloather

Like my Governor, Chris Christie said, “The day of reckoning is coming”.


23 posted on 12/20/2010 3:36:04 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!)
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To: Libloather

Open a hippy free clinic. When public employee leeches need care, give them a joint and a homeless bum to lean on.


24 posted on 12/20/2010 3:40:55 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Libloather

This is the next bailout! The GOP Congress has to not go along!!


25 posted on 12/20/2010 4:06:10 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
California can just print their own "money"! It's been done before.

Just have a "California Brown Buck" with Jerry's picture right one it!

It'll be good in CA to pay for any and all public benefits.

Jerry PROMISES! Print up a godzillion or two and have some fun in the SUN!

Use 'em to pay your taxes, too!

26 posted on 12/20/2010 4:28:38 PM PST by Huebolt (It's not over until there is not ONE DEMOCRAT HOLDING OFFICE ANYWHERE. Not even a dog catcher!)
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To: PogySailor
Yes!

Let's also do that in every state of the union in the USA!

Do we have some accountants on FR?

Does wikileaks have the memo telling us the true date of reckoning for all these under-funded,Federal, state and local government guaranteed liabilities?

27 posted on 12/20/2010 4:57:48 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: Libloather

Force everyone into MEDICARE Part B at age 65 and provide only backup coverage with a hefty deductible - that is what the military considers “free healthcare for life” for its retirees. Deduct premiums from pension checks.

No retired municipal employee should have cheaper healthcare coverage than a military retiree.


28 posted on 12/21/2010 4:20:30 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: JPG

Their solution is a simple one. Rely on a federal bailout and shift the blame, preferably to Republicans. Hardly any around in this case but the MSM will work it out for them. They knew the bill was coming due.


29 posted on 12/21/2010 4:33:52 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Libloather

Not to worry. The Big ‘un will destroy the city, kill off many of the claimants, and the obligations will be nullified.

I read this morning of a Mutual Fund manager who lives in SF and has two motorcycles...... the only way to escape the destruction.


30 posted on 12/21/2010 4:53:36 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Libloather; Liz; SierraWasp; tubebender; Ernest_at_the_Beach; stephenjohnbanker; BOBTHENAILER

This will be another leftwing financial trainwreck, and it will not wait for a couple of decades.

Gayfrisco is losing sales tax $’s and other tax $’s at a growing rate.

So those eligible for the fat cat early retirements will find ways to speed up their retirement.

Most Blue cities/counties/states will collapse financially in the next few years. They were counting on a bailout from Pelosi/Reid and their blessed 0b0z0. That ain’t coming.

Below is a link to a reply where Liz and I were discussing this pending left wing disaster.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2644323/posts?page=24#24


31 posted on 12/21/2010 6:09:03 AM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Rush is more right than ever about our having to DEFEAT these gayfrisco leftist socialist because they are now running through our money at a more alarming rate everyday!!!


32 posted on 12/21/2010 9:21:41 AM PST by SierraWasp (What's worse... shutting down government, or the private sector with uncertainty???)
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