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XM2010 Kits Arrive In Time For The Holidays
The Strategy Page ^ | 10/20/2010 | The Strategy Page

Posted on 12/20/2010 8:59:57 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

The U.S. Army has delivered, to troops in Afghanistan, 250 upgrade kits for their M24 bolt-action sniper rifles. These kids converts the M24s to the more powerful XM2010 sniper rifle. This main changed is allowing 7.62mm M24 rifles to fire the .300 Winchester magnum (7.62x67). This is a more powerful round than the NATO 7.62x51 round currently used in the M24. The conversion kit includes a new receiver and barrel, a new scope, a new flash suppressor and a folding buttstock. The XM2010 weighs 8.5 kg (18.7 pounds) and is 1.33 meters (52.2 inches) with the flash suppressor. The conversion of all 3,600 M24s will take five years and will cost about $7,800 per rifle

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 762mm; afghanistan; banglist; m24; rifle; sniper; usarmy

1 posted on 12/20/2010 9:00:00 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

The Big Unit.


2 posted on 12/20/2010 9:02:40 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

The .300 Win Mag is an awesome round. Probably the best.


3 posted on 12/20/2010 9:07:24 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Dang. If they’re replacing the receiver, barrel, scope, and stock. What is left of the original? The trigger group?


4 posted on 12/20/2010 9:08:39 PM PST by Rio
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Why not simply replace the entire rifle. Most of the major components are being replaced, so why risk mixing old with new?


5 posted on 12/20/2010 9:10:05 PM PST by devane617 (NEVER feed your cats canned Tuna fish. Mercury poisoning.)
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To: KoRn

.338 Lapua is better. Brits and Canadians using the .338 for a while now. I believe USSOCOM uses .338 but they get whatever they want.

.300 Winmag is an upgrade over 7.62x51 NATO for sure though. Especially at the ranges of shots taken in Trashcanistan.


6 posted on 12/20/2010 9:11:46 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Rio
thank you... really, i mean what the hell
7 posted on 12/20/2010 9:11:52 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Rio

Doesn’t sound like they replaced the cleaning kit either.


8 posted on 12/20/2010 9:12:46 PM PST by jimpick
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To: Rio
Dang. If they’re replacing the receiver, barrel, scope, and stock. What is left of the original? The trigger group?
The night vision devices, bipod, trigger, scope rings, possibly the scope mount though doubtful.
9 posted on 12/20/2010 9:14:22 PM PST by Tailback
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

“$7,800 per rifle”

Ahhh... Government business.


10 posted on 12/20/2010 9:17:09 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: devane617; Rio
Why not simply replace the entire rifle. Most of the major components are being replaced, so why risk mixing old with new?

MY GUESS:

They get more for the upgrade kits, than they would for a whole new rifle. AND, the rules allowed spending for 'upgrades' to current weapons, but not for 'new' ones.

11 posted on 12/20/2010 9:18:34 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: jimpick

Probably use the same sling, too.


12 posted on 12/20/2010 9:21:29 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: El Sordo
“$7,800 per rifle”

You price a custom built NRA F class long range rifle with a new optic lately? Throw in a custom Milspec case along with it. The govt. gets reamed on a lot of contracts but firearms are actually fairly cheap if you read everything involved in the purchasing contract.
13 posted on 12/20/2010 9:22:03 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Rio
Dang. If they’re replacing the receiver, barrel, scope, and stock. What is left of the original? The trigger group?

Like the old farmer and his trusty old ax. He replaced the handle four times and the head twice, but it was still his trusty old ax.

14 posted on 12/20/2010 9:23:32 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: KoRn

The .300 Win. Mag. is a good round and better than the .308 but not by that much. It is not all that much more powerful than the old 30-06 if the 06 is loaded to it’s potential which it never was.


15 posted on 12/20/2010 9:24:30 PM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog

Anybody got a line on where I can pick up some tungsten tipped AP bullets (I load my own) in .308 or .30-06 and now I guess also in .300? Walmart seemed to be out of them last time I checked.


16 posted on 12/20/2010 9:36:13 PM PST by GunsAndBibles
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

I wonder how it would compare to the M1C or M1D sniper Garands or the M1903A4 Springfield sniper rifle?


17 posted on 12/20/2010 9:40:00 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: GunsAndBibles

Aren’t tungsten heliarc electrodes about .17?

Hmmm.....
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=471023


18 posted on 12/20/2010 10:06:39 PM PST by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
The conversion of all 3,600 M24s will take five years and will cost about $7,800 per rifle

That's almost as long as WWII lasted for a few thou' rifles???? (Paging Albert Speer...)

19 posted on 12/20/2010 10:11:33 PM PST by Moltke ('Tis very strange. - Hamlet)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Anybody have and favorites in .300 Win Mag? Commercially available rounds and rifles?


20 posted on 12/21/2010 12:01:02 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Barack Obama = The Captain Norman Dike of presidents)
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To: yarddog
I disagree. With .300 win mag, and the standard national match round, you rarely need much wind correction inside 600 meters. While 30-06 bucks the wind much better than .308 it isn't nearly as good as .300 win mag.

I can't remember the elevation requirements because I haven't shot competitively in almost 20 years There was a reason we were shooting win mag at 1000 yards and not 30-06 or .308. Performance.

21 posted on 12/21/2010 12:08:13 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Rio
Dang. If they’re replacing the receiver, barrel, scope, and stock. What is left of the original? The trigger group?

The sling, if I'm not mistaken.

22 posted on 12/21/2010 12:09:22 AM PST by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: Moltke

For USA, WWII lasted 3.7 years. :)


23 posted on 12/21/2010 12:18:00 AM PST by DaveArk
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To: DaveArk

True, but I thought I’d be kind and use the ‘39-’45 figure...(else I would’ve had to say “longer than WWII lasted...”) Seriously, do they have only *one* guy/gal working on this, part time?


24 posted on 12/21/2010 12:44:24 AM PST by Moltke ('Tis very strange. - Hamlet)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I have a Winchester Model 70 in .300WinMag, it has a muzzle brake and a light contour barrel, probably not the most “consistent” type of barrel for sniping at over 500 yards.

It is my choice for elk here in Alaska but for bear I prefer my .338Win with the heavier bullets.


25 posted on 12/21/2010 12:52:26 AM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: GunsAndBibles
Walmart seemed to be out of them last time I checked.

You are probably on Big Sis' Walmart list of suspicious characters with that item request.

26 posted on 12/21/2010 5:03:16 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: VeniVidiVici
Anybody have and favorites in .300 Win Mag? Commercially available rounds and rifles?.

I don't know how to post a pic, but the Blaser LRS Tactical .300 Win Mag. is on my Christmas Wish List (how about it Santa?).

27 posted on 12/21/2010 5:09:05 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: broken_arrow1
I wouldn't mind seeing it under the tree :-)


28 posted on 12/21/2010 7:17:00 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Barack Obama = The Captain Norman Dike of presidents)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Thanks for the post! Hopefully, Santa has room in his sleigh for two.


29 posted on 12/21/2010 8:35:04 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: devane617
Why not simply replace the entire rifle. Most of the major components are being replaced, so why risk mixing old with new?

By having it as an "upgrade" to an existing weapons system, it doesn't necessarily have to pass the acceptance tests of a new rifle.

Of course, the big reason is that as an upgrade package, they can probably charge 3 times the unit cost of a new rifle. Plus, they can keep introducing new and costly upgrade packages to correct deficiencies. If anyone gripes about one of the future upgrades being too expensive, it can successfully argued that it is absolutely necessary because we already have soooo much money invested, that we can't turn back now.

WHAT A SCAM.

30 posted on 12/21/2010 8:58:43 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Redcloak
The sling, if I'm not mistaken.

Which, by the way, probably needs a costly refurbishment and retrofit program to work with the "upgraded" rifle.

Of course, in 5 years, the retrofitted sling will be found to be deficient and we will need a upgrade program to develop a state of the art rifle sling for the weapon system.

31 posted on 12/21/2010 9:03:22 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Thank you!


32 posted on 12/21/2010 9:11:39 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Nowhere Man
I wonder how it would compare to the M1C or M1D sniper Garands or the M1903A4 Springfield sniper rifle?

Much better optics than the 65-year-old military issue units originally last fielded with those older items. Remember, the scopes for the Garand were 7/8-inch units, not even the 1-inch diameter optics most usually seen on hunting rifles nowadays, and far from the 30mm optics units usually fitted on current military equipment.

That said, an old Garand or Springfield will usually outshoot most M16/Kalishnikov family rifles in use today. And my own Garand, fitted with a Soviet PSO-4 scope more usually found on the Soviet SVD/Dragonov sniper's rig, is easily capable to 800 meters, probably to 1KM if conditions are favourable.

Obscelescent is not obsolete- and far from useless. Training and practice come first, not equipment.

33 posted on 12/22/2010 3:30:40 PM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy
Obscelescent is not obsolete- and far from useless. Training and practice come first, not equipment.

Good points. I'm also into military and post-apocalyptic role playing games and one of my fellow gamers put it this way, "there are no obsolete weapons, only obsolete thinking."

The new rifle isn't a bad rifle at all, buy it is expensive at $7800 a clip. I also have a 1980's era book on surplus firearms ranging from the 1860's era single shot Martini/Henry rifle in .577 caliber to World War II firearms and the review for the old 6.5mm Arisaka rifle from Japan said that it was tighter rifle than even the HK-91/G-3 and the Arisaka cost only $100 at that time.
34 posted on 12/22/2010 5:11:22 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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