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Texas gains four seats as U.S. population up 9.7%
MarketWatch ^ | Dec. 21, 2010, 11:56 a.m. EST | By Steve Goldstein, MarketWatch

Posted on 12/21/2010 9:24:58 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Texas will add four seats in the House of Representatives as the Census Department revealed Tuesday that the U.S. population grew at the slowest pace since the Great Depression.

The population as of April 2010 was 308.7 million, up 9.7% over the last decade.

The South and the West led the way in growth, with the West now more populous than the Midwest for the first time. Michigan actually lost population, down 0.6% as the automotive industry struggled.

The population shift will affect 12 out of the 435 seats apportioned in the House. Florida gets two more seats, and New York and Ohio each will lose two.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2010census; census; census2010; texas; ushouse

1 posted on 12/21/2010 9:25:01 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

10% in a decade. About 30 million. The vast majority of whom are illegal aliens.


2 posted on 12/21/2010 9:27:21 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
One would expect that the U.S. population increase of 9.7% is more than half of which is due to illegal immigrant inter-lopers.

I wonder what the U.S. Citizen growth was, compared to the inter-loper-included number?

3 posted on 12/21/2010 9:28:02 AM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

PA lost one. Maybe they can get rid of PA-13, slap Jenkintown onto PA-2, and make Allyson Schwartz face off against Chaka Fattah. Now THAT would be fun to watch.


4 posted on 12/21/2010 9:28:20 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: 9YearLurker

Wait, I thought we only had 12 million illegal aliens in this country. Isn’t that the number that has been thrown around for the past 15 or 20 years?


5 posted on 12/21/2010 9:29:22 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

wow.. I had hoped MN would loose one. The talk was taking the 4th and 5th and making one out of them. Both Dem seats.

But we are importing illegals and refuges fast enough to keep our population I guess.


6 posted on 12/21/2010 9:29:52 AM PST by cableguymn
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

No one seems to want to live under liberal progressives...


7 posted on 12/21/2010 9:29:51 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

wow.. I had hoped MN would loose one. The talk was taking the 4th and 5th and making one out of them. Both Dem seats.

But we are importing illegals and refuges fast enough to keep our population I guess.


8 posted on 12/21/2010 9:29:57 AM PST by cableguymn
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It would be nice if my state, CA, loses some seats. Fewer Marxists in congress. At least in Texas the Hispanics there seem much more conservative and TX even elected a few Hispanics Republicans to congress last November.


9 posted on 12/21/2010 9:30:29 AM PST by Gen. Burkhalter
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To: 9YearLurker

I just hope it results in more Ron Paul’s rather than Jackson-Lee’s.


10 posted on 12/21/2010 9:32:48 AM PST by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: dirtboy

YES! Parts of montgomery County Pa are as hopeless as Philadelphia. Make them canabalize a Democrat seat.


11 posted on 12/21/2010 9:33:42 AM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Interesting that California did not pick up any seats.


12 posted on 12/21/2010 9:35:16 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Obama has demonstrated to the world the failure of Affirmative Action)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Interesting that California did not pick up any seats.

Thank Jesus. Less Greenie/Marxists in Congress.

13 posted on 12/21/2010 9:37:51 AM PST by muleskinner
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To: 9YearLurker

And Katrina refugees that never left Texas. Probably why Louisiana lost a seat, too.


14 posted on 12/21/2010 9:41:49 AM PST by cajuncow
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To: 9YearLurker

With American Citizen Women having 2.1 children, exactly the replacement rate, then the 9.7% growth came exclusively from immigrants, the vast majority of whom are illegal and living in the SouthWest.

Way to go Bush / 0bama!


15 posted on 12/21/2010 9:45:47 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We gained twelve electoral votes relative to 2004/2008, by my count:

+4TX GOP
2FL Swing
AZ GOP
GA GOP
SC GOP
UT GOP
WA Socialist
NV Swing

Net gain in seats 8 GOP minus 1 Socialist = +7 for Americans, ignoring the swing states.

-2NY Socialist
-PA Socialist
-2OH Swing
-MO GOP
-LA GOP
-IA Swing
-IL Socialist
-Michigan Socialist
-Massachusetts Socialist
-NJ Socialist

Net loss in seats 7 Socialist minus 2 GOP = -5 for the other side, ignoring the swing states.

By itself, the 2010 Census thus gives us 12 more seats . . . except that some GOP seats now have more socialist residents so they may be more competitive than before. It’s sad how socialists leave states like NJ, MA, and NY because socialism is failing there, then they vote for socialism in their new home states.


16 posted on 12/21/2010 9:46:37 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Cowboy Bob

As the illegals move in the producers move out so it is a net 0. Pretty easy to figure out.


17 posted on 12/21/2010 9:47:01 AM PST by sheana
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To: Pollster1

I like your bluntly truthful categories!


18 posted on 12/21/2010 9:48:29 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Cowboy Bob

“Interesting that California did not pick up any seats.”

That is because California is exporting illegal aliens to other states.


19 posted on 12/21/2010 9:48:32 AM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: 9YearLurker

“10% in a decade. About 30 million. The vast majority of whom are illegal aliens.”

Unbelieveable and unstainable growth.

Job No. 1 for our country is to cut immigration to a trickle (and YES I’m talking about LEGAL immigrants).


20 posted on 12/21/2010 9:50:37 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: brytlea
Wait, I thought we only had 12 million illegal aliens in this country. Isn’t that the number that has been thrown around for the past 15 or 20 years?

Look at the numbers. There were 281 million US residents in 2000 and 309 million now in 2010.

The US natural population growth rate is about 0.55%.

If 281 million grew by 0.55% over 10 years, the result would be 15.8 million more people.

Additionally, the total net migration ratio (legal plus illegal less emigrants) is .043%.

Over ten years on a base of 281 million that yields 12.2 million more people.

So 15.8 plus 12.2 yields 28 million more people or 309 million.

Of that 12.2 million in newcomers, not all were illegal.

The number of illegal immigrants in this country is greatly exaggerated by some - although the census numbers likely undercount the number of illegal immigrants significantly.

I'll also point out that the demographics of Mexico do not support the thesis that more than 15 million Mexicans have entered the US illegally - or even that as many as 10 million have.

21 posted on 12/21/2010 9:54:54 AM PST by wideawake
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To: 9YearLurker

I reject the “No Labels” propaganda. Labels should be used, and they should be accurate. How can we communicate without using words as precisely as possible?


22 posted on 12/21/2010 9:55:21 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Michigan actually lost population, down 0.6% as the automotive industry struggled.”

Michigan lost 600,000 productive citizens, mostly working middle class and business owners. The leeches will be out in full force in 2012, voting 10% above their registered voter numbers to take back the state for the Marxists and socialists.


23 posted on 12/21/2010 9:56:36 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: SharpRightTurn

That’s not good enough for me. I want to reverse it with a major expulsion of illegals who have come here in the last generation. Otherwise we’ve more or less doubled our permanent underclass without any offsetting boost at the top three-quarters of our population.

And, to have that approximate one-quarter of our permanent underclass to be racially privileged leads to voter and economic patterns that we simply can’t sustain.


24 posted on 12/21/2010 9:56:39 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: wideawake

Sorry—you’re not counting the number of illegals in the 2000 census. We’ve just added to it over the past 10 years, both by births and by in-migration.


25 posted on 12/21/2010 9:58:16 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Pollster1

Of course, and it should be clear the side that wants to hide under and demand ‘No Labels’ is the side that is at odds with the wishes and beliefs of the American majority.


26 posted on 12/21/2010 10:00:03 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

The politicians believe that for the SS Trust Fund we need more population...easy to get them via the border.


27 posted on 12/21/2010 10:01:25 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: wideawake
although the census numbers likely undercount the number of illegal immigrants significantly.

And so, the rest of what you said above means what?

28 posted on 12/21/2010 10:05:27 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: 9YearLurker
The vast majority of whom are illegal aliens.

In order for the vast majority to be illegal aliens - say 75% - that would mean that there would be fewer than 300,000 births to native-born Americans per year.

That would imply that if every native-born American were an only child, only one out of every twelve native-born American women of childbearing age have had a child in the past ten years.

That's a ridiculous thesis.

29 posted on 12/21/2010 10:05:50 AM PST by wideawake
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To: cableguymn
wow.. I had hoped MN would loose one. The talk was taking the 4th and 5th and making one out of them. Both Dem seats.

Heh, we people in the 8th District got rid of an entrenched liberal Dem and put in a solid conservative Repub.

It's time these other districts did the same.

30 posted on 12/21/2010 10:06:01 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: wideawake; 9YearLurker

http://politics.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/12/14/us-hispanic-population-is-booming.html


31 posted on 12/21/2010 10:12:10 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: wideawake

Have we had no deaths? That’s been quite a decade! (Though not exactly as I remember it...)


32 posted on 12/21/2010 10:14:44 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: brytlea
And so, the rest of what you said above means what?

I spelled it out quite clearly.

If the 2010 census number of 309 million is believable, then it means that there were less than 13 million immigrants - illegal and legal combined - in the past decade.

It means that wild-eyed claims of 20 or 30 million illegal immigrants alone are completely insupportable.

I would also point out that - given the assumption by most observers that the majority of America's illegal immigrants are Mexican - the Mexican statistics on emigration imply 3.5 million illegal immigrants.

33 posted on 12/21/2010 10:15:52 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yeah, but we need net over-contributors, not under-contributors. And a population that tends not to get even a high school diploma into its third generation here is not a great population for such over-contributors.


34 posted on 12/21/2010 10:15:58 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

The politicians actions seem to indicate they don’t care.


35 posted on 12/21/2010 10:20:45 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: sergeantdave

Folks leaving Michigan are mostly in their twenties and thirties...entering their most productive work years...Granholm and the Dems have been a disaster.

We have more universities than just about any other state, and they are churning out graduates who are filling up rental trucks and going south. Entire classes from Michigan and Michigan State are leaving each June...and all the state legislature can do is raise taxes on business.


36 posted on 12/21/2010 10:22:24 AM PST by kjo
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; se_ohio_young_conservative

The real news here is that Ohio has been a battleground state for the last couple of elections. Losing 2 seats is really going to challenge that status. I’ve pinged the only Ohio FReeper I know.


37 posted on 12/21/2010 10:22:36 AM PST by Melas
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To: wideawake

First, if someone tells you they don’t get what you meant, you didn’t spell it out quite clearly to them, so to tell them that you did misses the entire point of communicating which is to communicate. You can be a jerk and come back with a snappy little answer or you can just rephrase, in case you weren’t clear. I know it must be difficult to imagine that you might not have been clear to someone, but it happens.
Second, you said they were undercounted, so how do we know anything about their numbers? And I’m done taking to you since you apparently think whatever you say is correct and above discussion. What’s the point of having one?


38 posted on 12/21/2010 10:25:46 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’d say it’s worse than that—their actions suggest that it is what they want.


39 posted on 12/21/2010 10:28:56 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: brytlea
I apologize for offending you with my attitude.

Second, you said they were undercounted, so how do we know anything about their numbers?

One would expect that a number of illegals would do their best to avoid being counted, so the total number is probably low - but I also doubt that upwards of 70% of them would be able to completely escape notice.

So while I can definitely believe that the census figures are off by several million, I don't think they are off by as much as 15 - 20 million.

40 posted on 12/21/2010 10:41:09 AM PST by wideawake
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To: 9YearLurker
Have we had no deaths? That’s been quite a decade!

My mistake.

If by "vast majority" of the 30 million we mean 75% of the 30 million or 22.5 million, this would mean that there was a net natural growth of 7.5 million over 10 years, or 750,000 net new Americans born to Americans each year.

If the death rate were the same - about 0.5% per year, that would mean 1.5 million deaths per year average versus 2.25 new native births, netting out to 750,000.

If we assume that only 90% of the population is native born, that works out to about 44 million native women of childbearing age, of which about 2 million age out every year and 2 million age in every year for a total of 80 million over the period.

So this would imply that only one out of every 20 native born American women of child bearing age have a child in any given year.

Still a number that is very difficult to believe.

41 posted on 12/21/2010 10:50:15 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

According to this, the death rate was .83% per year:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Population_growth_rate


42 posted on 12/21/2010 10:55:58 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Pollster1

I’ll bet you $5 that Dirty Harry’s son—Rory, who is currently a Clark County Commissioner that ran in the 2012 election for Governor of Nevada—runs for the new Representative seat in Congress.

Daddy will put as much money as Rory needs into his campaign account.

Rory got whipped in the Nev Gov election.


43 posted on 12/21/2010 11:11:31 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Pollster1

It will depend entirely on what part of Nevada gets the district to fill.


44 posted on 12/21/2010 11:12:17 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I guess Slick Perry’s open border policy is “paying off”


45 posted on 12/21/2010 11:17:18 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: wideawake

I can’t remember the numbers they have used thru the years, but it seems that they have used the same number for an impossible amount of time. That’s what has me puzzled. That’s what I’m questioning. Of course, IF an amnesty passes, it seems reasonable to me to put a cap on the number. If they say the number here is 12 million then cap the number at 12 million given amnesty. It would be interesting just to see what the reaction would be.


46 posted on 12/21/2010 12:27:18 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Melas

This will be a battleground state in Presidental elections atleast as long as Columbus and Cleveland exist.

But I agree that true bellweather status may be shifting to places like VA and PA.


47 posted on 12/21/2010 1:40:10 PM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative (Palin or 3rd party... no exceptions !)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Agreed. Even states like Nevada where there is no clear party trending from year to year. States like my own might be a worth a truckload of electoral votes, but everyone knows where they’re going before we even have an election. Ohio is moving in that direction as well. You’re becoming increasingly Republican every cycle.


48 posted on 12/21/2010 1:54:09 PM PST by Melas
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To: Prokopton

Good job, don’t think I didn’t notice :) I am in the 6th. can’t get much better here either. Mpls/Saint Paul is full of commie libs though. hence the reason seeing the 4th and 5th go in to one would be so nice :)


49 posted on 12/21/2010 4:36:10 PM PST by cableguymn
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