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Sorry GOP, There's Just One Problem With Your Huge Census Victory
Business Insider ^ | 12/21/2010 | Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 12/21/2010 10:13:28 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Yes, more and more of the American population now lives in red states, and that will benefit the GOP in Congress and Presidential elections.

But while the map is getting redder, the red states themselves may are getting bluer, especially Texas, which was the huge winner with a net pickup of 4 seats.

This chart is from the state of Texas. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where the population growth has come from, and where it's going (hint: the growth is not coming from the GOP Anglo base). Note that if we're just talking white population, Texas has barely grown at all (and to the extent it has, it's been in Democrat-friendly cities like Dallas and Austin).

Other states are also shifting for similar reasons. They're not as big, but then the Congressional gains aren't nearly as dramatic.

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1 posted on 12/21/2010 10:13:32 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 12/21/2010 10:14:10 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah, but...the statehouses build the districts. It will be a net gain of seats, no doubt.


3 posted on 12/21/2010 10:14:58 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: SeekAndFind

Didn’t take long for the liberal media to find a way to spin the results.....


4 posted on 12/21/2010 10:16:14 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: ilgipper

New seats will probably split 2-2. Dems favored in new Dallas and South Texas districts.


5 posted on 12/21/2010 10:17:19 AM PST by nbenyo
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To: SeekAndFind

Pretty depressing.


6 posted on 12/21/2010 10:17:55 AM PST by samtheman
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To: SeekAndFind

You really think that Texas is going to turn blue again in the near future? Cuz I don’t see it happening.


7 posted on 12/21/2010 10:18:02 AM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Urbanization=liberalization=dhimmicrat drones


8 posted on 12/21/2010 10:18:05 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: SeekAndFind

We will never be a colorblind society because it works to control people and gather power. I’m so sick of it I could just puke.


9 posted on 12/21/2010 10:18:32 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: illiac
Didn’t take long for the liberal media to find a way to spin the results.....

LOL!

Same author: The GOP Just Got A Huge Win From The New Census Data

10 posted on 12/21/2010 10:19:03 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: illiac

we can’t ignore the INCREASE in the Hispanic population in the USA.

This is a Demographic that everyone knows will occupy a significant percentage of our population ( both legal and illegal ).

Our future will depend on the IDEOLOGY of this segment of our population.... will they become more conservative or liberal?

The future of this nation is tied to the answer to this question.


11 posted on 12/21/2010 10:19:36 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

20 years of “Californication” have turned Washington State from purple to dark blue.


12 posted on 12/21/2010 10:20:18 AM PST by poindexter
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To: RC one
For Presidential elections, no.

But Congressional districts are district-by-district, not a whole state. Districting is everything.

13 posted on 12/21/2010 10:20:25 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey check this out your post is featured here

http://www.ajgraves.com/index.php


14 posted on 12/21/2010 10:21:09 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: SeekAndFind

Amazing that foreigners are represented in our government, but as long as the Census doesn’t ask...


15 posted on 12/21/2010 10:21:31 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: SeekAndFind

>>vBut while the map is getting redder, the red states themselves may are getting bluer<<

Yep, and here is your complete explanation:

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Liddy.shtml
The Suicide of Marlboro Man


16 posted on 12/21/2010 10:21:55 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: samtheman

>>Pretty depressing.<<

Sort of. I think of the whole world as being in August of 1939, this really doesn’t matter to me. All the states could go blue, frankly. It would only speed up the inevitable.

Hence my tagline.


17 posted on 12/21/2010 10:23:14 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RC one

RE: You really think that Texas is going to turn blue again in the near future? Cuz I don’t see it happening.


I really hope NOT. But I don’t know the answer to this question for the longer term.

It looks right for now, but we have to take into account some factors that we must control. Among them :

* Illegals crossing the border

* Population growth among certain segments of the population

* INWARD migration from economically challenged states ( e.g. California ) INTO Texas.

If liberals from states like California move to Texas, you can be sure that Texas will be INFECTED with the liberal disease just as New Hampshire ( the “Live Free or Die” state) has been with a significant influx of liberals from Massachusetts.


18 posted on 12/21/2010 10:23:25 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Any idiot with Excel can extend a trend line into the future. What is the chance that current demographic trends continue for 30 years? Maybe it's quite likely, but such a long term projection has little bearing on this year's census.

That said, we should learn from our European friends what happens when some sectors of your population stop re-populating and others don't.

19 posted on 12/21/2010 10:23:31 AM PST by trad_anglican
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Also, who’s to say sitting here today that Hispanics in Texas will still be voting heavily democratic in 2040? Or even 2020?


20 posted on 12/21/2010 10:25:01 AM PST by trad_anglican
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To: FromLori

RE: Hey check this out your post is featured here

Yeah, that site is a collector of various posts from various blogs and forums. I wonder why they didn’t just link to the ORIGINAL Business Insider article.


21 posted on 12/21/2010 10:25:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
we can’t ignore the INCREASE in the Hispanic population in the USA.

This is why the Democrats push things like DREAM whether they have the votes or not. This is why they push immigration reform even when it isn't popular with the overall public.

The left is then using our votes against these measures to poison our standing amongst Hispanics - and the MSM is gleefully helping them.

If we don't begin making major inroads in the Latino vote, we are in serious trouble. There simply are not enough white people moving to the Republican party fast enough to offset this rapidly growing Hispanic population that increasingly votes Democrat.

Perhaps Rubio will be ready for a VP slot in 2012. Something that may help reverse this overall negative trend we are facing amongst this voting demographic.

22 posted on 12/21/2010 10:26:12 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: SeekAndFind
We already know the answer to your question. Accepting illegals as inevitable means the total extinction of the GOP as we've known it.

The tendency towards racial grievance politics are just too strong. Such politics are antithetical to conservatism.

Many of us believe whether or not to normalize the 20 odd million illegals in the nation is the line in the sand issue, there are no grey areas.

23 posted on 12/21/2010 10:26:23 AM PST by skeeter
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To: ilgipper

Then how do you explaing the supermajority in the state legislature. Yes there was one convert, but that is just seeing the writing on the wall.


24 posted on 12/21/2010 10:27:04 AM PST by Bruinator (God is Great.... Beer is good.... Muzzies are.........?)
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To: poindexter
20 years of “Californication” have turned Washington State from purple to dark blue

Exactly. Same with Oregon. The scum foul their own nest and flee, taking their destructive Democrat voting habits with them. They're like locusts. When people say we need to build a fence between California and America, this is the reason why.

25 posted on 12/21/2010 10:27:13 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SeekAndFind
“we can’t ignore the INCREASE in the Hispanic population in the USA.”

Our goal should be that they are eventually conservative Hispanics.
Then who cares about their ethnicity?

26 posted on 12/21/2010 10:27:26 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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To: SeekAndFind; 1riot1ranger; Action-America; Aggie Mama; Alkhin; Allegra; American72; antivenom; ...
But while the map is getting redder, the red states themselves may are getting bluer, especially Texas, which was the huge winner with a net pickup of 4 seats. This chart is from the state of Texas. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where the population growth has come from, and where it's going (hint: the growth is not coming from the GOP Anglo base).

This Rat can choke on his rant. Sounds like he doesn't like white people and that is bigotry.

Chris Bell, DEMOCRAT, lost his seat in the House due to redistricting which put a BLACK DEMOCRAT into that district congressman.

Chris Bell and the Pravda Media then proclaimed that the last redistricting was "unfair" in that it put more Republicans into office (while ignoring what else was taken into consideration by the Republicans in drawing the new districts).

Chris Bell didn't lose his seat to a Republican when he threw a hissy fit and filed an "ethics charge" against Tom DeLay over fundraising.

The memes are bullstalin.

27 posted on 12/21/2010 10:28:32 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: nbenyo
New seats will probably split 2-2. Dems favored in new Dallas and South Texas districts.

I think now is the time to examine if repeal of the 17th Amendment would be a good idea presuming the demographic trends are based on solid data.

28 posted on 12/21/2010 10:29:48 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: SeekAndFind

It tells me that we need to do a better job of educating people as to the real MEANING of conservative. For too long we have let the Liberals define us. That has to stop.


29 posted on 12/21/2010 10:30:24 AM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: SeekAndFind
Two things wrong with this:

First: Texas Hispanics are being MORE conservative. For example, a majority Hispanic district in South Texas just dumped a long-time Hispanic incumbent for a Republican newcomer.

Hispanic Republicans have done well in a number of districts in South Texas at all levels of the government. If the GOP were to invest some time and effort recruiting and supporting good candidates, that trend will continue. There are many opportunities among the small businessmen, who are getting mugged by Democrat policies every day.

Second: while there is certainly a lot of growth in the Austin and D/FW area, it's occurring in suburbs, not the core cities. When the Democrats were able to gerry-mander districts and distribute their core constituents among multiple districts, they had the advantage. But, they don't have that advantage any longer.

Some of the metropolitans suburb in Texas can't get much more Republican. In mine, the Democrats don't even bother to field candidates.

Texas is growing. It's filling up with people fleeing Democrat regimes in other states like California. Once they get here, they are quickly discovering the freedom from income taxes. Property taxes are higher, but property values aren't stratospheric outside the handful of real-estate bubbles like Highland Park (in North Dallas).

You can actually buy a nice home in most of Texas without two professional incomes. And while some of the inner-city school systems are hell-holes, the suburban ones offer great opportunities to students that want to learn.

30 posted on 12/21/2010 10:30:42 AM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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It’s RINO Red right now. They run lousy Democrats for higher office. But it isn’t as conservatively stacked as it could be, especially with the way Texas’ vote/poll.


31 posted on 12/21/2010 10:30:42 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: SeekAndFind

Uh, these very same states saw massive republican gains in elections held just a month ago. So whoever these population gains are they sure seem to vote conservative.


32 posted on 12/21/2010 10:32:56 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Gondring
Amazing that foreigners are represented in our government, but as long as the Census doesn’t ask...

The Constitution explicitly says that "representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State..." (14th Amendment, section 2). Nothing in there about only counting citizens. The very next sentence talks about "citizens of the United States" being eligible to vote for Congress, so they knew the difference between "citizens" and "persons" and clearly intended to have non-citizens counted for reapportionment even though they can't vote.

33 posted on 12/21/2010 10:33:46 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: a fool in paradise

Not as long as we have a pubbie Lege to gerrymander the districts,


34 posted on 12/21/2010 10:34:47 AM PST by barb-tex (What else did you expect from the likes of 0? BTW, What ever happened to Rhodesia?, Oh, yes, Zimbabw)
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To: SeekAndFind
we can’t ignore the INCREASE in the Hispanic population in the USA. This is a Demographic that everyone knows will occupy a significant percentage of our population ( both legal and illegal ). Our future will depend on the IDEOLOGY of this segment of our population.... will they become more conservative or liberal? The future of this nation is tied to the answer to this question.

The future will depend on their religion, on whether they become Protestant, or stay Catholic.

When they become Protestant, they also become conservative, and vote Republican.

Even in 2008 against the Obama, racial, anti-white, group identity, election Tsunami, the Protestant Hispanics still supported McCain/Palin by 48%, in 2004, they went 56% Republican.

35 posted on 12/21/2010 10:37:30 AM PST by ansel12 (Lonnie, little by little the look of the country changes, because of the men we admire.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
A ridiculous and completely untenable position. Please actually read the congressional debate over the 14th Amendment in Congress, in which it is made very clear that the persons counted are not intended to be people in the United States illegally.

And more to this: In the only clarifying cases on this issue ever adjudicated by the Supreme Court, the Court made it clear that the definition of US persons in Amendment XIV was intended only to include those "subject to its jurisdiction," which does not include illegals, Indians, or the children of foriegn nationals not intending to remain in the United States.

36 posted on 12/21/2010 10:44:32 AM PST by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: ansel12

RE: The future will depend on their religion, on whether they become Protestant, or stay Catholic.

When they become Protestant, they also become conservative, and vote Republican.


I’m not sure if I see the connection between staying Catholic and being liberal.

The Roman Catholic church is opposed to a lot of liberal agendas — Abortion, Gay Marriage, Sex education for kids, etc.

The problem as I see it is these Catholics by birth IGNORE their church’s teachings.


37 posted on 12/21/2010 10:45:47 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Our goal should be that they are eventually conservative Hispanics. Then who cares about their ethnicity?

I think that ANY increase in income by individuals moves them toward voting GOP (about 25 billionaires excluded.)

The GOP should focus on THE most important social issues of our time: economic freedom and rule of law. These are the two foundations of wealth.

Take the most illiterate peasant in the deepest, darkest jungle and give him the freedom to do as he wishes and a justice system that protects him from plunder, he'll quickly accumulate some wealth.

38 posted on 12/21/2010 10:47:07 AM PST by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: RobRoy

Fred nails it...of course; Fred pretty much nails it all the time.


39 posted on 12/21/2010 10:48:02 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: SeekAndFind

1. Close the barn door.

2. Deport, deport, deport.


40 posted on 12/21/2010 10:49:05 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: SeekAndFind

All the census figures and projections include the illegal aliens within the US. Estimates are that around 1/3 of the Latinos in the US are illegal. If amnesty is not granted, and immigration law is enforced in the future, these projections will not come about as currently assumed.

And most know that is what the fight over comprehensive amnesty and the Dream Act and other amnesty schemes is all about.


41 posted on 12/21/2010 10:50:15 AM PST by Will88 (John McCain's new role: GOP agitator * 754 Comments * * * RSS * Email * Pr)
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t Texas planning a law like Arizona?

I would luike to see the trend line for Arizona since they passed this law


42 posted on 12/21/2010 10:50:34 AM PST by Mr. K ('Profiling' you is worse than grabbing your balls)
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals flee the open sewers they have created and then vote the same way in the conservative safe havens they invade.


43 posted on 12/21/2010 10:55:54 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: who knows what evil?

I just got into some of his later stuff. I don’t agree with him as much as I used to.


44 posted on 12/21/2010 10:57:22 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: SeekAndFind
Our future will depend on the IDEOLOGY of this segment of our population.... will they become more conservative or liberal? The future of this nation is tied to the answer to this question.

You're quite correct. And what side of the ideological fence they come down on, is going to be driven to the way we go about trying to answer that question.

We could, I suppose, treat Hispanics as enemies -- many at FR seem to view them as such. Which will of course be counterproductive. The resultant conflict means that this inevitably growing demographic will end up in the Democrat camp, because there'd be no place else for them to go.

Or ... we could look for common ground, of which there's actually a fair amount, and deal with Hispanics as allies, if not exactly friends.

It's up to us.

45 posted on 12/21/2010 10:57:35 AM PST by r9etb
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To: SeekAndFind

Writer is deluding himself. This was a systemic realignment sweeping victory for the gop. In texas the gop owns huge margins in each branch and the gov ofc. Just like dems have done for 60 plus years - concentrate the opposing party in safe seats and the vast majority of other seats will be gop.


46 posted on 12/21/2010 10:59:11 AM PST by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yankees moving to God's country because they've so fouled their own liberal nest states.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

47 posted on 12/21/2010 11:01:43 AM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What this shows is that the Mexico’s invasion of the Los Estados Unidos (Aztlan) is working.


48 posted on 12/21/2010 11:03:47 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all of my FReeper FRiends!)
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To: rockrr
Urbanization=liberalization=dhimmicrat drones

And in the non-urban hinterlands, Section 8 = liberalization = dhimmicrat drones

49 posted on 12/21/2010 11:10:30 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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To: r9etb
Or ... we could look for common ground, of which there's actually a fair amount, and deal with Hispanics as allies, if not exactly friends.

Does the common ground you seek include amnesty for all illegals in the US, or the so-called comprehensive immigration reform?

That issue will continue to be the primary issue related to the growth of the Latino population until the issue is settled, either by granting amnesty to millions, or by establishing a policy of no amnesty and strict enforcement in the future.

And the issue will be kept very much alive by the Hispanic interest groups and Dims looking for future voters. It can't be avoided.

50 posted on 12/21/2010 11:11:35 AM PST by Will88 (John McCain's new role: GOP agitator * 754 Comments * * * RSS * Email * Pr)
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