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Hail, thunderstorms, powerful winds expected as new storm moves into L.A. Tuesday evening
Los Angeles Times ^ | 12/21/10 | Robert J. Lopez and Hector Becerra

Posted on 12/21/2010 11:41:08 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Southern California was bracing for another powerful storm front Tuesday evening as a sixth straight day of rain brought dramatic rescues, flooded freeways and concerns about mudslides.

According to the National Weather Service, scattered showers Tuesday will give way to heavy rain at night. Officials said the rain will continue into Wednesday with a chance of hail, high winds and thunderstorms. The weather service said the wind will be so strong in some mountain communities Wednesday morning that it could uproot trees. Gusts in some areas could top 65 mph.

The snow level is expected to drop to 4,500 feet.

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Four men stranded in Orange County's Trabuco Canyon were rescued Tuesday morning when they were plucked from the flooded foothills by helicopter. The men were spotted soon after daybreak when the helicopter flew over the fast-moving Trabuco Creek and saw them inside their vehicle.

A woman who was swept away in her pickup while crossing a rain-swollen creek in the San Bernardino National Forest was rescued Monday night after a harrowing four-hour recovery effort, officials said. ..

More than 5 inches of rain have already fallen in downtown Los Angeles this month, and the record of 8.77 inches for December is within reach. Mammoth Mountain has already recorded the highest December snow levels ever.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; hail; losangeles; stormwatch; thunderstorms
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1 posted on 12/21/2010 11:41:11 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Incoming!!!

r ya wet enuf yet?

saw the eclipse here last night, cool.


2 posted on 12/21/2010 11:42:28 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: tubebender
and look at you.. Red ahead!! How's the gravel holding up?


3 posted on 12/21/2010 11:44:04 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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4 posted on 12/21/2010 11:46:08 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sounding a bit biblical out there, Norm. Wish you well.


5 posted on 12/21/2010 11:49:36 AM PST by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Can’t wait for the requisite cautions to use less water because these storms were not enough to end the drought.

We have such excellent planning...


6 posted on 12/21/2010 11:51:06 AM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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7 posted on 12/21/2010 11:51:35 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Dam! Just Dam!! ;-}

Talk about opportunities and industries lost for want of a few dams.. snowpacks will be hugh.. and then it all goes to sea..


8 posted on 12/21/2010 11:53:08 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Those storms are just more global warming on yer back door.


9 posted on 12/21/2010 11:54:22 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: BelegStrongbow

We get these monsters thru here every decade or two,, really mucks everything up,, Oh well. just hope the FR server farm levees hold. :-)

HappY Holiday!!


10 posted on 12/21/2010 11:55:16 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I remember how it was up in NoCal, back when there weren’t dams in the Sierras. That made driving in downtown Sacramento a real experience.


11 posted on 12/21/2010 12:00:12 PM PST by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Here in the Los Angeles area we have one of the best water redirection systems in the world. And as you have stated, it will all flow into the ocean. I can see some reason behind the comments about chemicals and such, but after the first day, good heavens, catch the clean water.

It boggles the mind how much we carp about water, we blow on L. A. River restoration, and avoid spending on collection.

I’ll bet we have millions if not tens of millions of acre feet of water flowing into the ocean daily right now.


12 posted on 12/21/2010 12:00:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Any chance of hail the size of softballs in downtown LA. With all their global warming worship in CA I always hope for something biblical.
13 posted on 12/21/2010 12:01:46 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: NormsRevenge

La Nina is so much fun isn’t it??

They better be watching the hills next spring, with all the rain, there is going to be a HUGE fire danger next summer if they do not mitigate it.


14 posted on 12/21/2010 12:07:12 PM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: NormsRevenge
Hopefully the end is in sight.

weather

WunderMap®

We have been having rock slides, power outages and flooding here in Hawaii too. There is a winter weather alert for high elevations on the Big Island.

15 posted on 12/21/2010 12:08:45 PM PST by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Personally, I’m enjoying this Seattle weather here in SoCal. I’ve received a little over 17” of rain over the past few days at my place!! I live up against the local mountains and luckily no mudslides....yet. Fingers crossed.


16 posted on 12/21/2010 12:13:03 PM PST by R_Kangel (`.`)
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To: NormsRevenge
Mammoth Mountain has already recorded the highest December snow levels ever.

Fifteen and a half feet so far.

17 posted on 12/21/2010 12:30:48 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

I have to read here the cumulative snow fall amount for Mammoth Mountain, LA Times couldn’t bother with details of an all time record.

BTW, depending on moisture content, generally 1” of rain will equal 1 foot of snow.


18 posted on 12/21/2010 12:47:00 PM PST by Razzz42
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To: NormsRevenge

I’ve gotten very little sleep for two nights now. I kept looking at the radar every time I woke up last night, and the worst of it was always right over my head. I can’t imagine it being even worse tonight, but that’s what they’re saying.


19 posted on 12/21/2010 12:47:52 PM PST by Excellence (Buy Progresso, take off the label, write "not halal," mail to Campbell's soup company.)
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To: Excellence

Godspeed to you. Batten down the hatches.


20 posted on 12/21/2010 1:00:51 PM PST by Obadiah (BHO -- out the door in 4!)
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To: NormsRevenge; Brad's Gramma; A CA Guy; lainie; pollywog; ErnBatavia; bd476; Yaelle; Ron C.
I am late getting in here...rain has gone away for the moment...and I was hoping it was all over...

now you deliver this bad news....YUK!

Pinging others.

21 posted on 12/21/2010 1:10:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: NormsRevenge
NWS from accuweather:

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FLASH FLOOD WATCH

in effect until Wednesday, Dec 22, 2:00 PM

..FLASH FLOOD WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT THROUGH WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON...

THE FLASH FLOOD WATCH CONTINUES FOR

* A PORTION OF SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA...INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING AREAS...APPLE AND LUCERNE VALLEYS...COACHELLA VALLEY...ORANGE COUNTY COASTAL AREAS...RIVERSIDE COUNTY MOUNTAINS...SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY MOUNTAINS...SAN BERNARDINO AND RIVERSIDE COUNTY VALLEYS-THE INLAND EMPIRE...SAN DIEGO COUNTY COASTAL AREAS...SAN DIEGO COUNTY DESERTS...SAN DIEGO COUNTY MOUNTAINS...SAN DIEGO COUNTY VALLEYS AND SANTA ANA MOUNTAINS AND FOOTHILLS.

* THROUGH WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON

* A FLOW OF MOISTURE FROM THE SOUTHWEST WILL CONTINUE PERIODS OF LIGHT TO LOCALLY MODERATE RAINFALL TODAY. FOR TONIGHT AND WEDNESDAY...A STRONGER...COLDER TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE FROM THE NORTHWEST WILL BRING NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS FOR LATE TONIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY MORNING.

* FOR LATE TONIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY MORNING...HOURLY RAINFALL RATES UP TO ONE HALF TO ONE INCH ARE POSSIBLE IN THE MOUNTAINS. SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS AND BANDS OF HEAVIER SHOWERS WILL HAVE HIGHER RAINFALL RATES WHICH WILL INCREASE THE POSSIBILITY OF RAPID FLOODING OF AREAS SATURATED BY RECENT HEAVY RAINFALL.

22 posted on 12/21/2010 1:12:17 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: NormsRevenge
Pineapple Express movie from GOES Satellite
23 posted on 12/21/2010 1:17:03 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
For those of us who didn't see last nights happenings....from Watts Up with That:

Total Lunar Eclipse on the Solstice – way cool


Photo details: 10″ Meade LX200, Nikon D300, prime focus,ISO 1250, 2s exposure

“It was an absolutely gorgeous night for an eclipse!” says Sabin.

Sabin’s photo captured not only the red light at the core of Earth’s shadow caused by sunlight filtering through the stratosphere, but also the “turquoise fringe” caused by our planet’s ozone layer. Pictures like this are golden for researchers who look at the colors of eclipses to diagnose the state of Earth’s atmosphere. See “All-Clear in the Stratosphere,” below.

more images: from Rod Lindley of Dallas, TX; from Kevin R. Witman of Cochranville, Pennsylvania; from John W. O’Neal, II of Amherst, Ohio; from Evan Ludes of Omaha, Nebraska; from John Stetson of Southport, CT; from Mark A. Brown of Carlisle, Pennsylvania; from Giancarlo Ubaldo Nappi of Belo Horizonte MG, Brazil; from Phil Harrington of Long Island, NY; from Mike Mezeul II of Sachse, Texas

See the Lunar Eclipse Photo Gallery

24 posted on 12/21/2010 1:22:05 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
Current radar for SoCal:


25 posted on 12/21/2010 1:26:35 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The eclipse was BEAUTIFUL here in Central Florida...yawn...but...yawn..I had to go to bed after a few minutes of watching. Got up at 6..long day:)

Good luck to all you FReepers getting slammed by these storms in California...stay dry and safe.


26 posted on 12/21/2010 1:30:36 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: BelegStrongbow

Beleg,
I understand you amusement.
But,
I lived in L.A. off and on for 25 years.
I saw three thunderstorms in that time.
Mostly a kind of fog,misty rain for a week or two even. BUT actual thunderstorms that drop inches of rain in hours?
Most folks do not know that L.A. is actually a desert.
I live in S. E. Florida now and we get 5, 6 inchs an hour at times but are prepared with drainage etc.
L.A. gets 2 inches in an hour and I wouldn’t go out of the house.
If it snowed I wouldn’t get out of bed that day.


27 posted on 12/21/2010 1:42:00 PM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: SE Mom
Thanks for the kind words .

This mist and rain has been going on forever it seems.

28 posted on 12/21/2010 1:45:34 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Joe Boucher

My suggestion that LA was undergoing biblical storms was not an expression of amusement. Sorry if it came off that way. LA is a place that I have very often visited. I simply could not deal with that mean people in one place at one time. I’ve seen the mudslides, the wildfires, the snow. I am very concerned for LA in the current cycle and if I had thought it amusing to consider it suffering so, I should better have moved there myself.

I now live in NC, and only stopped here because the Atlantic got in the way.


29 posted on 12/21/2010 1:45:37 PM PST by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: BelegStrongbow

Been all over N.C, and L.A. and love both,
L.A. is actually a desert and when it gets rain like this one could call it biblical, but I call it Jesus’s revenge.


30 posted on 12/21/2010 2:03:50 PM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: Joe Boucher

Good call.


31 posted on 12/21/2010 2:12:49 PM PST by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I was on the Eureka waterfront taking photos of our typical winter solstice high tides at the time you were posting this info. 8’7” plus a little storm surge with some flooding in King Salmon just south of us.

The strangest thing happens with these storms coming up the coast from the south. The radar image looks like disaster for Eureka but Cape Mendocino seems to deflect them away from us and they finally come ashore between here and Crescent City...


32 posted on 12/21/2010 2:21:56 PM PST by tubebender (We were born naked, wet and hungry, then things got worse)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Islander7; NormsRevenge; DoughtyOne
"Hopefully the end is in sight."

Indeed it is, as this satellite picture shows...

"rain has gone away for the moment..."

None here in Malibu - but there's one more little front out there (circled in green) a couple of hours away - about now...

Looks to me like the hype of a monster storm tonight is just that - hype. But, who knows, I'm certainly no weatherman.

That great big 'cutoff high' they've been talking about looks like it's doing just that - cutting off anything more for the Los Angeles basin after this evening.

Everything to the right of that orange line is headed south and east - away from LA, and shortly, away from San Diego. But time will tell the real story... BTW this image is almost an hour old at this moment.


33 posted on 12/21/2010 2:45:40 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.
Interesting weather line-up for the week ahead.. we been pretty dry here for a day.. that jetstream is screaming across the country..


34 posted on 12/21/2010 3:02:14 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: Islander7

Thanks! I was wondering how much of a dent this will have on your drought? There is a lot of moisture moving around out there.. funny as it sounds but even Hawaii has droughts


35 posted on 12/21/2010 3:04:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
In central Texas it's 80 degrees, sunny, with lots of jobs and guns, and we can use any type of light bulb we damn well please.

I wonder how God feels about Texas vs. LA?


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

36 posted on 12/21/2010 3:28:27 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Now you know what it’s like to live in the UK!

MEanwhile- apparently all hell’s about to break loose from a possible dam break in Utah (from all the rain).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2646040/posts


37 posted on 12/21/2010 3:53:36 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Ron C.

Well...hooray for a cutoff low.


38 posted on 12/21/2010 4:28:20 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: SE Mom

Well...that could wash out the interstate 15 going up the Virgin River Canyon...and it is a real Canyon...terrific drive....with fast water going down a good slope.


39 posted on 12/21/2010 4:31:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: NormsRevenge

Does it slow down the gang activity? That might be one advantage to horrid weather.


40 posted on 12/21/2010 4:40:22 PM PST by Squidster
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To: Ron C.

As to whether you’re right or not, who knows, but KFI and ABC have reported that about 250 homes will be evacuated this evening in La Crescenta and La Canada for fear of excessive flooding. It appears they think this evening’s rain is going to be worse than the last go-round. My weather app is referring to possible thunder-storms and that generally lends itself to a cloud-burst effect.

To put this in perspective, there were daily totals of up to five inches in these areas in the last few days with little bad effect. That causes me to wonder what they are seeing, that would be worse than that.

I don’t wish bad effects on anyone, but I’ll be very happy to see rain continue. We’re in a severe drought. We need this rain.

It’s my hope that continued rain won’t cause more problems than have been experienced up to this point.


41 posted on 12/21/2010 5:42:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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Thanks for the report! I'm just hoping that no one gets bombed with a landslide in the so-called 'burn area.' I have friend up there...

Indeed, 5 inches of rain is a LOT of rain, particularly up there in the hills. But, I've heard too on the radio that the 'catch basins' up there have plenty of room for more run-off! Seems contradictory, and indeed we need rain to even hope to fill up some of the reservoirs that we depend on.

42 posted on 12/21/2010 7:09:32 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Islander7

December 21st, 2012

Strange weather patterns world wide, increase in earthquake activities along with volcanic eruptions. Could all this be a prelude to what we can expect as we approach December 21st, 2012?

Chances are you may have heard predictions about December 21st- 2010 and may have wondered what it is all about. The following is about one of the best simplistic explanations around I came across.

For comparison sake imagine our Milky way Galaxy about the size of a Wall Mart super store parking lot which is slowly rotating. Our solar system is located at the outer edge of the Milky-way and for comparison sake our own solar system would be about the size of a penny if we place it adjacent to the WM parking lot. Now lift this imaginary penny up about twelve inches above the WM parking lot.

Now over several thousand years this coin (Penny) our solar system has been moving on down until it is on the same level or plane as our Milky Way and this will happen on December 21st -2012 and from then on this coin (our solar system) will be moving below the Milky Way Galaxy again for several thousand years and eventually it will return again.

Once the plane of our solar system lines up with the plane of the Milky Way Galaxy a change in gravitational forces will come in to play and will interact with our own Solar System including our planet Earth. Just think what our little “Moon” does as it causes high and low tides, now think what a huge Galaxy like the Milky Way may do? There is a very delicate balance between objects moving about in space and movement of some will interact with others. These are things you will not hear about in the news as you can be sure if explained to the public it could cause some concern. There also may be some interaction with the sun, resulting in the expulsion of more than the usual amount of solar flares, should some of the bigger ones impact Earth they could cause severe damage to life as well as property. It has happened in the past and it can not be ruled out that it may happen again.

One way or another there is very little what we can do about it, never the less if unusual “Things” start to happen as we are approaching this point in time, such as more frequent earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and strange weather patterns at least it will be worthwhile knowing their causes. I do not subscribe to any “Doomsday” scenario neither that Earth will come to an end as it will continue as it has for millions of years, but coming events may shake people up enough to get a different perspective on a variety of things.

Along here it may be interesting to note that this same date coincides with the expiration of the Mayan calendar and as stated. “After this date Humans will be looking at things from a much different perspective” The question remains, what did the Mayans know and where did their information come from what we are about to witness and find out?

Saint Germaine


43 posted on 12/22/2010 12:32:32 AM PST by saintgermaine
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Good Afternoon all...

I’m out of state, in Oregon for Christmas and hoping we have a house left back in Eagle Rock! I worry about our river rock walls. they need “ retro-fited” and reinforced and I hear of all the rain and just wonder.

Any links of damage?


44 posted on 12/22/2010 1:13:50 PM PST by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: pollywog
I've been off of FR all morning...the system seems to have been having nasty troubles and I had other things that needed doing anyway.

thundershowers right now down here between Seal Beach and Los Alamitos....heaviest downpour I have seen as yet.

With ground satured....I am sure there are problems.

this morning news showed slides at Lagunda beach and Santiago Canyon here in Orange county and there was a problem on the 57 and the 10 intersection.

But been away from the TV since much earlier this morning...

45 posted on 12/22/2010 2:42:24 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks Ernest. Stay dry..

Polly


46 posted on 12/22/2010 2:51:20 PM PST by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: pollywog; NormsRevenge; Brad's Gramma; tubebender; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; lainie; bd476; ...
Just had Channel 11 on....had some rainfall totals since last Thursday...Devore...intersection of the I-15 and I-251( I think) has so far received 20 " of rain...Laguna Beach almost 10".

Severe Mud flows in Highland...just below 330 hwy up to Big Bear.

47 posted on 12/22/2010 3:02:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

wow.. we’re dry up here, for now..

what a mess in the valleys


48 posted on 12/22/2010 3:03:52 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: pollywog
Back on Channel 9...reporter from La Canada Flinridge talking about evacuations...maybe earlier...video just showed water runoff...and statement that catch basins seemed to be handling stuff OK.

Is that close to Eagle Rock?

49 posted on 12/22/2010 3:06:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: DoughtyOne

Up in Oregon they tried and failed to tax the run off rain water, we live in the coastal foot hills it’s gotta run somewhere.

Now they are trying to tax the run off rain water per homeowner in Salem, Oregon.

I have looked at and even had quotes in putting in a rain run off system but the cost was hyper inflated.

As I understand it the systems that are used now are not meant to come into the home for toilet flushing/washing ect..

I surely don’t need rain water to water the property.


50 posted on 12/22/2010 3:14:53 PM PST by Global2010 (Pisces at hospites tribus diebus foetebunt.....)
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