Skip to comments.Microsoft: 1.5 million Windows Phone 7 devices sold (Says sales meet 'realistic' expectations)
Posted on 12/21/2010 2:13:31 PM PST by SeekAndFind
More than 1.5 million cell phones carrying Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 operating software have sold in the first six weeks of launch, meeting what the company called "realistic" expectations.
Achim Berg, vice president of business and marketing for Windows phones, released sales numbers for the nascent platform for the first time in an internally conducted interview posted on Microsoft's website. (Msnbc.com is an NBC Universal-Microsoft joint venture.)
Windows Phone 7 was unveiled in October and marked the software maker's expansion into a smart phone arena dominated by Apple and Google. Analysts say it could be Microsoft's last chance to establish a major presence in a hot market.
Taiwan's HTC, Dell Inc, Samsung Electronics and LG Electronics are among the vendors who have launched or plan to begin selling Phone 7-based devices.
"We all know that the competition is extreme in this industry, and we have to compete on multiple fronts," Berg said in the interview.
"We are on a path to begin releasing the first of several updates in the next couple of months, and several more mobile operators around the world will introduce Windows Phone 7 on their network in 2011."
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MSNBC is just utterly useless... That’s 1.5 million phones into the vendor chain, IE: We sold them to someone, who knows if they’ve gotten into any end user’s hands. Or rather, the makers of the phones have sold them, since Microsoft doesn’t produce any of these phones themselves.
A good number, and good on the vendors who filled their shelves, as it’s probably a smart move in the long run, but still have yet to see one myself in the wild, and I live in a very cell phone rich environment.
1.5 million units?
Must be a rounding error.
(Ref: MS CEO Ballmer’s comments when the iPhone came out.)
Pretty pathetic performance. That’s also not units sold, just shipped; remember, they tried this reporting tactic with the Zune, too - and look how well that worked out.
Well, I just bought an Android phone last week (HTC EVO 4G) and absolutely love it. Sorry Microsoft.
The only people I’ve seen around here that have one also have email addresses that end in @microsoft.com.
And some of them only have them because their boss makes them carry it. Otherwise, they’d only carry their iPhone 4.
To quote a poster on another forum:
“...there’s a certain amount of schadenfreude involved, watching Microsoft repeatedly crash and burn, after having put up with decades of Microsoft using monopolistic tactics and dirty tricks to try to kill their competition. Turns out when they have to compete [by the merits of their product alone] on a level playing field, they’re just not very good at it.”
I have one and I love it. In fact I love it so much I bought two more for my sons.
Android is a phone OS for a phone. Just like Windows Mobile was (Microsoft’s old OS). the issue with Android is vendor and carrier’s will not always deliver a consistent and quality end-user experience. Evo is great from what I can tell, but for every evo there’s a junky Android phone out there. Plus there is no commonality between the UI. Each carrier and OEM can do whatever they want with it. This is one of biggest issues with Windows Mobile.
Windows Phone however, took the best of both worlds. Consistent UI and standards (like the iPhone), but also allows for multiple OEM hardware manufacturers.
I honestly thought I’d hate the tiles, but I have to say...it’s genious. The commercials for it suck though. You really have to use one for a day to “get it”.
Going back to android just feels wrong after using windows phone 7.
This response sent to you on a WP7. I like it so far. Only one real complaint, no flash yet. Although it is supposedly in the works.
Really? While they do struggle from time to time, when they have their eyes on a market they end up moving in and setting up a pretty big footprint.
Example: Search (Bing)
Next Example: Windows Phone
One more example:
Net PCs (used to be all linux based now they are all windows based). I use all in a relative sense.
My biggest issue was no tethering but if you have the LG or the Samsung there’s a diagnostic mode you can use to change the USB from Zune Sync to USB Tethering :-)
I’m a very happy camper now.
I've never tried a Windows Phone, so I can't really comment on that. I am however now finally retiring my old Windows Pocket PC, which I used for light Internet browsing, tide chart lookups, etc. The thing was pretty finnicky when it came to connecting with the net, bluetooth, etc.
Servers: Moving more and more to Linux, which is why MS has brought out “lite” versions of Server 2008.
xBox: Crushed by the Wii in sales. Hardware failures didn’t help.
Bing: No threat to Google at current time. Mostly doesn’t actually find anything.
Windows Phone: Yeah, I don’t think so.
Microsoft completely changed roads between windows mobile (pocketPC) and windows phone 7.
Pocket PC/Windows Mobile is much closer to Android than Android is to Windows Phone 7.
Keep in mind Pocket PC was designed for a stylus not a finger and it quite old technology. Windows Phone 7 isn’t your grandads old windows mobile.
Uh, do you mean Netbooks? Many of them are still Linux based and some are going to be moving to Chrome. Win 7 on a netbook is painful.
But then, the netbook category is being crushed by the iPad, so it’s irrelevant anyway.
Servers: Windows was way behind Unix when they moved to the server market and they kicked unix out of the market.
Xbox: They did crush Playstation..which was their target. And now they are moving after the wii with kinect. in fact the last 6 months in a row they have outsold the Wii. And they are the only console to see year over year growth during that time period.
Bing: Once again to go from 0 to 10% is very good. That’s like saying google OS for PCs isn’t a threat to microsoft since they are so small.
Windows Phone: Market has too many players right now to declare long term winners and losers, but if you would use a windows phone you’d understand that they actually did something right.
And netbooks Microsoft is dominating a market where they went from 0 to over 90% market in just a couple years.
Windows is going to make a version for Arm chipsets so I expect the tablet market to be on the horizon as well.
Fact is no other IT company can dominate as Microsoft has.
Flash + phone = battery life measured in minutes. Screw Adobe.
Yes I meant netbooks...not sure why I said net PCs.
I kind of agree with that. However, I’d still like to have it as there are a ton of games that I could play for free.
But then you’d have security issues and crashes with it. It’s definitely a buyer beware scenario.
Windows was behind UNIX... about 20 years ago. UNIX, by the was was not kicked out of the market. In fact, many of Microsoft’s own public facing servers... run *nix.
You know, for something that’s been ‘crushed’, the Playstation 3 seems to be doing awfully well. Kinect doesn’t seem to be catching on. Oh, and does the phrase “Red Ring Of Death” mean anything to you?
To go from 0-10% in the search market when your near monopoly OS keeps trying to change your search preferences back to your own search engine is pretty easy. (IE 8 and later keeps trying to do this.)
I did use a WinMo7 phone. While there were many improvements over 6.5.x, yeah, it still sucks.
Microsoft is dominating netbooks? Perhaps, but it’s a market with massively declining sales, and even MS admits that. Tablets, and specifically the iPad, have crushed that market. Even the largest vendor of netbooks, Acer, has admitted that.
Also, how do you deal with mouse-over and the like events with a touchscreen? Pretty difficult. I’ve tried Flash games on an Android device and the experience was pretty miserable. Quite a lot didn’t work, especially things that rely on tracking a mouse cursor.
Right 20 years ago they were behind, but now they aren’t. Look at email. They took over from groupwise and lotus notes.
Playstation has been utterly crushed this generation. They went from a dominate 1st place to 3rd place. Playstation brand and the Playstation 2 was so huge last gen. A good comparison would be if Google Chrome becomes and OS X took over the OS market from Microsoft in 1 year. Yeah it’s pretty amazing what the xbox did to playstation. It’s about share and growth.
What did you find better about windows phone 7 over windows mobile 6.5? A better comparison would be between windows phone 7 and iPhone and Android vs. Windows Mobile 6.5.
Windows for ARM looks like it’s just going to be Windows 7 Embedded Compact. Which means slow, crap battery life, and a bunch of stuff that doesn’t work.
WinPhone 7 isn’t going to be showing up on tablets for a while.
I don’t want windows phone 7 on a tablet. It really doesn’t make any sense—if you used a windows phone 7 you’d understand that.
But now all the disappointed people who wanted a real OS on the iPad (OS X) can get a real OS on a windows tablet.
BTW: how do you know windows 7 embedded and Arm chips won’t be great for battery life?
I don’t know what you’re smoking, but the xBox360 is in third place behind the Wii and PS3 in terms of market share.
Not exactly crushed there, buddy.
Exchange took over from Lotus Notes to a degree, but now people are moving away from Exchange.
Well, the fact that you can actually make calls on WinMo7 without the phone crashing was an improvement. The ability to get actual updates instead of having to buy a new device was nice too. Unfortunately, the interface appears to have been designed by a graphic artist that was a schitzophrenic monkey and the email system is laughable.
Lol. My granddad worked his whole life (an MIT trained electrical engineer) in the long lines division of Bell Labs. I wish he was still around to see today's technologies.
Because all the other Win7 versions kicked out for lower power devices so far have shortened battery life. The HP Slate, running a chopped down OEM version of Win 7 has laughable battery life, to use the last try MS made at this.
Oh, and if you jailbreak your iPad, you know what? Hey, look, there really is a UNIX underneath the GUI! So it’s a real OS.
And I have used Win Phone 7. People want a simplified interface for their tablets. They don’t want a desktop interface. The continuous failure of Windows Tablets since Win XP Tablet and the success of the iPad plus the demand for Android tablets should point that out.
I do not understand why people like you believe your opinion actually matters. It is obvious to me and everyone that reads that you are anti-MS which colors your opinion strongly. I would suggest you to simply shut up and let the adults talk.
I simply don’t believe you have even touched a Win7phone, at all. You are trying the old tried and failed tactic of “look at me I used it therefore I am right” when in fact you probably haven’t at all.
Erm, no. Consider that I administer a mixed server farm of Solaris and Win 2008R2 servers... pretty sure I know what I’m talking about.
Microsoft products are sometimes the best choice for a particular application. It’s just that the number of applications that this is true for is declining, and that many administrators like myself dislike the strongarm tactics that MS has increasingly resorted to over the years, as well as the “we don’t care” attitude towards security in their server products that they have traditionally held.
And since this is the internet, my opinion is just as valid as yours, o fellow poster shielded behind a pseudonym.
Used one for two days, as part of a company-wide evaluation.
It got sent back, along with all but one of the other eval units. The one I had my hands on was a Samsung Focus. Outlook Mobile crashed on a regular basis, battery life was fairly short, and the promised ability to view Office documents was unstable at best.
I do not care what you do for a living, it doesn’t make you correct and it certainly doesn’t mean that you can use your own facts to color everything else. If you wanted to bring facts, comparison, proof to an argument then you might be able to pull some wool over some eyes.
Mostly what people post on these threads *is* personal facts.
I should also mention that I actually happen to *like* the xBox360 and own one. (The Halo series is a favorite.) But that doesn’t mean that I am blind to the fact that it’s not the top console and that it hasn’t crushed the PlayStation 3 like some others here think.
Guess they got a bit of an edge since I last looked this fall. On the other hand, that’s not exactly a huge margin, certainly about what the margin was on the earlier article I cited. Also, the Wii is still outselling both the other consoles *combined*, so the x360 isn’t exactly the top of the charts there - per your own source at VGchartz.com.
The x360 continues to have problems even after the 2007 switch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
We should see even more raw and direct competition between phone platforms after Verizon joins the rest of the civilized world with the deployment of LTE over the next year.
Sure thing, man...whatever you say...
Just curious, are you by any chance working for Microsoft or a developer of their products ?
You seem to be very rah rah behind them...
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
I’ve been a .NET developer for years and have a love/hate relationship with them.
The new first quarter 2010 International Data Corp. numbers are out for the worldwide server market. According to the market researcher, Windows Server is still the runaway leader, in terms of operating system unit shipments, and also still in first place when it comes to revenues compared to Unix and Linux.
In Q1 2010, Windows Server was installed on 75.3 percent of the servers sold worldwide. Linux was on 20.8 percent of the servers and Unix on only 3.6 percent. Both Windows Server and Linux grew in share from Q4 2009 to Q1 2010; Unix declined slightly.
On the revenue side of the house, Windows Server-based systems brought in 48.9 percent of the dollars worldwide, IDC said. Unix was No. 2 with 22 percent and Linux, third, with 16.2 percent. As in the case of units, Unix-based systems lost share between Q4 2009 and Q1 2010.
Here are IDC’s latest figures, as well as the comparable IDC data for Q4 2009. Note the percentages don’t total 100. That is because IDC includes an unspecified “other” category that is not included here.
Q1 2010 units
Windows 1,379,487 (75.3%)
Unix 65,451 (3.6%)
Linux 380,429 (20.8%)
Q4 2009 units
Windows 1,434,225 (73.9%)
Unix 84,851 ( 4.4%)
Linux 412,041 (21.2%)
Q1 2010 dollars
Windows $5.1 billion (48.9%)
Unix $2.3 billion (22.2%)
Linux $1.7 billion (16.2%)
Q4 2009 dollars
Windows $5.4 billion (41.6%)
Unix $3.9 billion (29.9%)
Linux $1.9 billion (14.7%)
A few more observations from IDC’s latest report:
Microsoft is expected to deliver a first beta of Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack (SP) 1 — and, by extension, Windows 7 SP1 — any time now. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Softies announce and/or deliver that beta next week, in conjunction with the company’s Tech Ed conference. Even though Microsoft has been advising IT admins not to wait for SP1 to move to Windows Server 2008 R2, a number of organizations still insist on waiting for SP1 before moving to a new version of Windows.
Microsoft officials said earlier this year that Windows 7 SP1 would be a conglomeration of bug fixes and updates, and would not include any new features. On the server side, SP1 will include two new virtualiztion features, Microsoft officials have said.
These new features include a new graphics acceleration platform, known as RemoteFX, that is based on desktop-remoting technology that Microsoft obtained in 2008 when it acquired Calista Technologies. There also will be a new addition to Hyper-V that will dynamically adjust memory of a guest virtual machine on demand.
I’d have one myself, but alas, picked up an Android phone on Father’s Day, so have to wait until June to switch over. (Zune Pass yearly subscriber...)
All ears. I've been busy ever since I was given the Samsung Galaxy/Vibrant, but tethering (which I have never done much) is the last issue remaining...
Either that link is old or wrong (or both). Try some of these for a better picture. By the way I’m a gamer and every gamer knows the 360 is kicking the PS3’s butt in the US and worldwide it is still in the lead (although sony was closing the gap, but with Kinect it looks like 360 will run away again).
Clearly one a console dominates the market as playstation 2 did to fall to 3rd place and even lose the popular/cool branding to a new player in the video game business..yeah i’d call that crushed.
Clearly when a console dominates the market as playstation 2 did to fall to 3rd place and even lose the popular/cool branding to a new player in the video game business..yeah i’d call that crushed.
That must have been a flakey model or you're just lying. Based on your previous comments I'd say you're making this up. I know when I bought mine the ATT store manager and the other work there were telling me they can't wait to toss their iPhone 4 for the Windows Phone 7.
I have a focus and it never bombs on email. In fact, the ATT store manager said he's tried to get the one in the store to freeze and it's rock solid. I've had mine for about 1 month now and I have to save I haven't seen a single one of the issues you mentioned.
While you were testing it did you use a windows live ID and the xbox 360 integration? If so what did you think of it? Also did you use the zune integration as well? What did you think of the UI?
We had a variety of units. I can’t comment on them as I didn’t use them. The Samsung Focus has had issues other reviewers noticed, and the other Focus tester in the office had the same problem.
I didn’t test Windows Live ID or x360 integration on a *work* phone. I did look for integration with our VPN (not there) and with our servers (not there).
Others have commented about similar problems. See these:
In which case, you must also admit that the xBox has been totally and utterly crushed by the Wii. To come from a distant third in the console wars to an overwhelming, dominating, good-luck-catching-us-any-time-soon, “IT PRINTS MONEY!” first place, Nintendo pulled it off - and the Wii outsells the other two consoles 2:1.
Sorry, the xBox doesn’t dominate.
Actually the wii did extremely well this generation. However, Microsoft targeted Sony. And they WON.
Now they set their sites on the wii with the kinect and look who is winning in sales the last 5 months! Hint: it’s not wii and playstation, but if you read some of the links I sent you you’ll see Microsoft kinect is doing extremely well.
Why does it hurt you so bad if Microsoft does well in game consoles? Are you a gamer? or do you just hate to see an American company do well?
Microsoft targeted sony and they accomplished that goal. The wii was doing surprising well but it was a different target audience. Now Microsoft is targeting that audience with kinect. And if you read the links I posted earlier you’ll see that they are winning against the wii now as well (when you compare growth and yoy sales).
Will they surpass the wii this gen? Most likely not; however, with kinect they are poised to be the gaming leader for the second part of this console generation.
And with the next generation everything going to the cloud...Microsoft is set to win big time.
Oh that’s another area Microsoft is doing extremely well...the cloud.
BTW: Are you a gamer?