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Posted on 12/21/2010 2:25:55 PM PST by Sub-Driver
Barney Frank: Straight and Gay Soldiers Must Shower Together, But Not Men and Women Tuesday, December 21, 2010 By Nicholas Ballasy
(CNSNews.com) - Rep. Barney Frank (D.-Mass.) says he agrees with the recommendation of a Department of Defense (DOD) working group that straight and gay military personnel of the same gender should be required to shower together when the repeal of the Dont Ask, Dont Tell law goes into effect.
Frank, however, said Armed Forces personnel of opposite sexes should not shower together.
What do you think happens in gyms all over America? What do you think happens in the House of Representatives? Of course people shower with homosexuals. What a silly issue. What do you think goes wrong with showering with homosexuals? Do you think the spray makes it catching? I mean people shower with homosexuals in college dormitories, in gyms where people play sports; in gyms elsewhere. It is a complete non-issue. Frank told CNSNews.com.
CNSNews.com then asked Frank why he thinks it is a non-issue.
To accept the principle that homosexuals cant shower with other people is a degree of discrimination that goes far beyond this. We dont get ourselves dry cleaned. We tend to take showers when we go to the gym; when we play sports, he responded.
Rep. Frank continued, The notion that knowing that someone is gay or lesbian as opposed to knowing that they are gay or lesbian people that have to pretend who they are; that that somehow makes a difference is pretty silly,
Frank was also asked if he thinks male and female military personnel should be able to shower together.
No that would disrupt people, he said.
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“What do you think happens in the House of Representatives?”
We know what happens — the male pages get molested.
Barney Frank showers with homos all the time. He should know. Whatta frickin pig!!
FUBF. BTW, the coed shower scenes from “Starship Troopers” were the only good parts of those movies.
Frank should be showering with men ... in prison.
The guy is crazier than a ****house rat.
When Frank is quoted saying “what a silly issue”, he really said “what a thilly ithue.”
Seriously, when was the last time anyone here showered with another soldier besides bootcamp?
The truth of the matter is, there is no explanation that makes sense why men and women should not shower together or even sleep in the same room, if homosexuals shower together and sleep in the same room, unless you can somehow make the case that homosexuals are somehow different than heterosexuals when it comes to sexual behavior. Do they want to make that case?
no barney you can’t enlist.
Why the hell does a mere congressman have a say about details like this?
Its a bad question. I’d like to ask if congressmen share a two man tent together, do tick checks on one another, huddle together for warmth, etc.
The bottom line is - the military doesn’t need this distraction. I predict that a year from now, when the NYT tries to do its ‘A Year After the Repeal’ story, they will be hard pressed to find half a dozen soldiers serving as openly gay.
Gay people don’t want to serve openly in the military. Gay people, who aren’t presently in the military, think its a great idea for others to serve openly...but they would never do it themselves.
What a sick bunch.
It is "discrimination" if heterosexuals are not allowed to shower with THEIR sex partners, in light of the sex deviates' priveledge, isn't it? This amounts to "preferential treatment" for a certain group, while the other group doesn't have the same "benefit".
Gonna be a real mess when we throw transgendered soldiers into the mix.
We used to clean ‘em up with a GI Brush and Lava soap. They rarely came back for a second helping.
Talk about “Cognitive Dissonance.”
Well, since the law overturning DADT just passed both houses of Congress, I'd say "a lot! It's now the law!"
Yeah, and he makes he a point to drop the soap a mimunim of three times.
Bet Bawney wants to join . He would put in for shower attendant and soap picker upper.
Just be careful not to drop the soap...
That is my thinking too.
When they shower at the gym, they then LEAVE the gym. They don’t go back to the barracks where they have to sleep in the next bunk over from the person. It IS different.
What is unclear to me is what follows the repeal of DADT. I assume that the gays are not thinking that we go back to the policy in place before DADT.
What is actually needed now is MAMT. Must Ask-Must Tell.
If gays want to serve openly - let’s make sure they do. Then folks can KNOW who they are showering alongside, and more importantly who they are fighting alongside.
Intense physical training remains a "job requirement" long after bootcamp. During my pre-retirement 20 years, I never saw a military gym shower that was anything other than open bay.
To be fair, I don't know about female facilities.
Nobody wants to shower with Barney which is why he is mad. I cannot believe that he still keeps winning elections after allowing his boyfriend to run a brothel out of his house in D.C. Says something about the voters in his district.
I just went home and showered.
what do you think happens in the bath houses in SFO?
One good thing. Barney would be totally uninterested in me.
Running a homosexual brothel is a democrat resume enhancement.
How long will it be before someone sues to that effect? It is discriminatory to have mens/womens/ facilities? And use the fact that homosexuals do not have separate facilities?
Do heterosexual soldiers have any rights at all?
I’m starting my own military themed soap on a rope company.
I think the murder rate will go up in the military.
Doesn’t surprise me... Back in college, boyfriends and girlfriends couldn’t live in the same dorm room. However, they had no problems with letting homosexual lovers live in the same rooms.
I think there’s a different way to frame this that might get closer to the real issue.
Men and women don’t share facilities merely because they might be sexually attracted to each other. Really, it’s about privacy. Women don’t want to bathe in front of men, and vice versa, and in fact, most men would rather not bathe in front of women. Whether they might be sexually interested in each other is only part of it.
The question really should be: if we’re going to be fair to gays, shouldn’t they deserve privacy from other gays when they shower? And how’s that supposed to work?
File Sexual Harassment lawsuits each time a homosexual ogles a straight man or woman in the shower.
Use their own PC laws against them.
From the UCMJ on Sexual Harrassment:
Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination that involves unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature when:
Involves a persons job, pay or career:
Basis for employment decision
Interferes with performance or creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment.
Hostile environment sexual harassment occurs when unwelcome sexual conduct unreasonably interferes with an individual’s job performance or creates a hostile, intimidating or offensive work environment even though the harassment may not result in tangible or economic job consequences, that is, the person may not lose pay or a promotion. Employers, supervisors, coworkers, customers, or clients can create a hostile work environment.
Barney is cool with using straights as sex objects for the visual gratification of homosexuals.
This attempt to destroy the military may just work.
“Yeah, and he makes he a point to drop the soap a mimunim of three times.”
Ugh..... don’t need that vision in my mind.
Must have more alcohol.....
And just how does this new dictat from General Turdburgler, commander of the Rump Rangers keep all of America safe?
Coming soon to a military base near you??
I noticed (a long time ago) that when it comes to what queers want everybody elses choices go out the window. What if hetero soldiers don’t want to shower with queers?
You obviously didn’t serve in the Marine Corps and likely not even in the infantry. I can understand how the average pogue might see things from your position, but infantry Marines work, fight, and live together. In many cases, especially during war (and yes, I served in Iraq), this also includes showering together.
But the biggest problem with this is not just gays and straights showering together. This will put open homosexuals in command of those they are sexually attracted to and see naked on a regular basis. For instance, take a DI in boot camp who often sees recruits running around naked (yes, this happens in Marine Corps boot camp). How does this NOT create a hostile working environment?