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Is Rudy Giuliani a 2012 dark horse?
TheHill.com ^ | 12/22/10 | Christian Heinze

Posted on 12/22/2010 7:09:21 AM PST by StatenIsland

As a 2008 primary front-runner, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani tanked. But as a 2012 dark horse, he could do surprisingly well.

It’s not because Giuliani has shifted; it’s because the Republican Party has. The 2010 election was less about social conservatism than it was fiscal conservatism, and that aligns with Giuliani’s socially moderate and fiscally conservative ideology.

There is another promising wind of change blowing Giuliani’s way, one that’s less ideological. This isn’t the era of kinder, gentler politicians. This is the age of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie — three politicians whose appeal lives, partly, in their aggressive rhetoric.

But, according to Giuliani, he started the political fad. When explaining Christie’s appeal to the New York Post, Giuliani said: “What’s making him popular is that he’s not afraid to be called a bully. I used to be proud to be called a bully, and Christie would call me and tell me, ‘I’m going to do it just the way you did.' "

Thus, both the national ideology and aesthetics of these political times are more favorable to Giuliani than, perhaps, at any time in his political career.

So what’s he been up to?

Leg work:

While Giuliani maintained his visibility at a national level this year through frequent appearances on cable political shows, he also showed the GOP that he was willing to do the less glamorous work of crossing the country on behalf of Republican candidates.

In the run-up to the midterm elections, Giuliani made high-profile visits on behalf of Pennsylvania Republican Senate candidate Pat Toomey, Illinois gubernatorial candidate Bill Brady, Illinois senatorial candidate Mark Kirk, West Virginia senatorial candidate John Raese and many more, garnering significant media attention along the way.

Skeptics often claim that Giuliani’s political activity is simply good business, since it keeps him relevant. For example, Auburn University shelled out $85,000 earlier this year for a Giuliani speech on leadership — an amount that might be less if he weren’t flirting with a bid. But that obscures the fact that his success, financially, is a good sign of his continuing appeal, politically.

Rhetoric:

The question for any presidential aspirant is whether he or she is building a broad case for the presidency. At the very least, Giuliani has built a broad one against the current president, slamming Barack Obama on everything from foreign policy to being, well, too New York.

Earlier this year, he questioned the president’s philosophical approach to foreign policy, not to mention his actual record, which he’s frequently criticized on missile defense, terrorism and Middle East relationships.

“President Obama thinks we can all hold hands, sing songs and have peace symbols. North Korea and Iran are not singing along with the president.”

And while Gingrich literally wrote a book, christening the Obama administration a “secular-socialist machine,” Giuliani has been similarly critical of the president’s economic policy, telling conservative bloggers that Obama is trying to turn the United States into a “European social democracy.”

Then there’s the ironic and primary-friendly charge that Obama has too much of the mayor’s hometown blood in him.

“The president may be suffering … from the inability to see the rest of America from having a warped view in New York,” Giuliani told ABC’s “The View” last month.

Fire in the belly:

Giuliani has refused several times this year to close the door on a bid. Most recently, he told The Wall Street Journal that it’s been difficult to give up the dream.

“It’s always in your mind when you’ve done something like this,” he said.

And it’s possible that his poor showing in 2008 hasn’t done much to diminish his confidence in another bid. Earlier this year, Giuliani told The Washington Post that his failure could have been as simple as bad timing.

“You know, I was conflicted about running when I did ... I don’t think any Republican could have won in 2008,” he said.

That being said, if he did do it again, it’s not likely he’d take any chances and stake the race on Florida, as he did in 2008.

“If you’re going to run for president and get nominated, you better win Iowa [or] New Hampshire. By then, it’s probably over. If it isn’t over by then, it’s over by South Carolina,” he told the Post.

What lies ahead:

In the end, it’s perhaps smartest to appeal to a former New York state representative, Guy Molinari, who once told reporters of Giuliani: “Rudy is Rudy. Rudy is either going to run or not based on how he feels. He’s not a guy who looks at statistics and worries about the fact that ... maybe he could win, maybe he can’t win.”

And that makes him a wildcard, a dark horse — and a worthy figure to watch in 2012.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012gopprimary; darkhorsesass; dnc4fruityrudy; giuliani; liberals; rino; rinos4obama; rinosgonewild; rudy; rudy2012; rudybotshere; rudymcromney; thefloridastrategy; trialballoon; wishfulthinking; working4obama
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Personally, I don't see this as remotely possible...
1 posted on 12/22/2010 7:09:22 AM PST by StatenIsland
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To: StatenIsland

No.


2 posted on 12/22/2010 7:25:03 AM PST by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: StatenIsland

Nice to see him sitting in his box at Yankee Stadium...he should stay there and not be running for POTUS...


3 posted on 12/22/2010 7:56:39 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: StatenIsland

Nice to see him sitting in his box at Yankee Stadium...he should stay there and not be running for POTUS...


4 posted on 12/22/2010 7:56:56 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: StatenIsland

No, of course not. He has no chance of winning the nomination, and even if he did, he would just quit in the middle of the race anyway because he loves New York too much and doesn’t really want to spend all of his time in Washington.


5 posted on 12/22/2010 7:57:13 AM PST by jpl (Our forebears really gave their lives so we could be groped by bureaucratic retards at the airport?)
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No. The media would like nothing more than to see a pro-abortion Republican run for president. Because they know he would lose. Conservatives would stay away from the polls in millions.
6 posted on 12/22/2010 7:58:17 AM PST by Godwin1
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To: StatenIsland

Absolutely not!

The GOP and conservatives in particular (which are the backbone of the GOP) have not walked away from Social Conservatism one little bit.

They have, however, woken up to the fiscal conservative issues, primarily smaller, limited governance.

This is just the left-wing press, and the left-wing leadership of the GOP and the GOP elites trying to pick our candidate for us again.


7 posted on 12/22/2010 7:58:29 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: StatenIsland
Well, now that Obama has repealed DADT is suppose this will no longer be an issue...

But Rudy still has some splainin to do with Bernie Kerik and his Daddy going to Sing Sing and all.

8 posted on 12/22/2010 7:58:52 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: StatenIsland

I still LOL when I think about the way Hannity acted like a puppy trying to hump Rudy’s leg during the ‘08 primaries.


9 posted on 12/22/2010 7:59:34 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: StatenIsland

If he’d won the GOP nomination in 2008 - RG could have won the election.
I hope he decides to give it another whirl.


10 posted on 12/22/2010 8:07:06 AM PST by nagdt ("None of my EX's live in Texas")
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To: WOSG
I am a Giuliani fan, but this is a long shot in the race, not a dark horse.

There are three people that you could mix and match that would be deadly, Giuliani is not one of them

11 posted on 12/22/2010 8:16:20 AM PST by Why So Serious
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To: StatenIsland

NO. I would not vote for him.


12 posted on 12/22/2010 8:29:47 AM PST by therut
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Rudy is light years better than Romney, Newt, McCain or Huckabee but he is not in my top 5. His chickening out repeatedly for running for the NY Senate is also an issue.


13 posted on 12/22/2010 8:30:29 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: Joe 6-pack

I stopped listening to Hannity because of his dishonorable pant discharge over Rudy.

I LIKE Rudy...he was the best thing for NYC that came along in around 50 years....

....but he is NOT, repeat NOT presidential timber. His methods are facist and anti-individual. NYC at the time needed a facist....and seeing as how the dims had made NYC a cross between Marxism and Facism already, it was no great shakes to have him clean the city in his own inimitable style.

He is not right for America....period. Let him run for either Putzhead Schumers or Gillibrands seat in the Senate...he can only improve the senate in comparison to those two pear-shaped loosers.....

I will not vote for Rudy for president ...period...and I will do what I can to defeat him for that position.


14 posted on 12/22/2010 8:31:28 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: StatenIsland

The author of the piece is either being disingenuous, or has absolutely no understanding of the Republican primary.

Day in, day out, flaming pro-abort pro-sodomy Giuliani will get the same 3% outside of the NE and Florida as he did in 2008. Actually, he’ll get less if Gingrich and/or Bolton are in. Both are just as tough on foreign policy, have the credentials, and are smart, without the Giuliani baggage (Gingrich has some) and social liberalism.

Giuiliani may offer more to the country in a security related cabinet position or other similar post.


15 posted on 12/22/2010 8:31:37 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: StatenIsland

Hopefully Conservatives and Republicans will be able to keep things in perspective in 2012.

The complaints and misgivings we may have about any of the 2008 candidates, or possible candidates in 2012, pale in comparison with what we have in the White House today.

The shortcomings of the worst republican candidate are miniscule when we look at the ongoing destruction of the nation taking place under Obama and his socialist, racist Czars and cabinet.

Of course we all want the perfect social and fiscal conservative to replace Obama. But isn’t in our best interest to consider compromise rather than face 4 more years of the Obama onslaught against the Constitution and middle America?

Of course it is.

A win by any of the likely republican candidates will be a giant step forward forward for freedom and preservation of the nation.

On the list of our top 100 objectives, the first 99 must be to boot Obama out of the White House. Once that is accomplished we can negotiate the details.


16 posted on 12/22/2010 9:13:50 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Damn it, Jim! I'm a doctor not a race relations Czar in the Obama administration.")
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To: StatenIsland

If Giuliani is acceptable to the republicans then it is time to rev up the third party movement.

Yea yea third parties can’t win. But if Giuliani is the candidate we’ve already lost.


17 posted on 12/22/2010 9:19:54 AM PST by DManA
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To: StatenIsland

No. Ex-Democrat RINO’s need not apply.


18 posted on 12/22/2010 9:32:45 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: StatenIsland
Rudy? Inconceivable.

ineluctable

19 posted on 12/22/2010 9:33:30 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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To: StatenIsland
Is Rudy Giuliani a 2012 daork horse?
20 posted on 12/22/2010 9:51:32 AM PST by rfp1234 (Badgers? We don't need no stinkin' badgers!)
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To: nagdt

Giuliani would be a great wartime president or vice president and this world is headed for war.

Giuliani and Palin would be a great ticket.


21 posted on 12/22/2010 10:37:12 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Rudy? Inconceivable.


22 posted on 12/22/2010 11:43:44 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: StatenIsland

I could easily support a Palin-Giuliani ticket.....


23 posted on 12/22/2010 12:46:28 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: StatenIsland
Uh...no.

No RINOs.

24 posted on 12/22/2010 12:48:35 PM PST by Allegra (I painted red and green stripes on my biceps.)
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To: StatenIsland

If Rudy’s in I’m out.


25 posted on 12/22/2010 12:53:50 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: StatenIsland

Not this POS again.


26 posted on 12/22/2010 1:25:08 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: StatenIsland

No way, Jose (or Guido.)

Giuliani has enough baggage to bring down the Concorde.

Fuggedaboudit!


27 posted on 12/22/2010 1:42:32 PM PST by Palladin (Stand and fight.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

that’s because Sean is a moderate RINO, bootlicker.


28 posted on 12/22/2010 1:51:18 PM PST by stockpirate (Sen. Mitch McConnel (R) has betrayed the Nov. 2, 2010 voters w/his tax bill!)
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To: StatenIsland

29 posted on 12/22/2010 2:02:00 PM PST by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: StatenIsland

He did a good job during 9/11 but he is still a RINO.


30 posted on 12/22/2010 3:51:44 PM PST by GailA (NO JESUS, NO CHRISTmas!)
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To: Palladin

So, who has enough muscle, charisma, record that is acceptable to you?


31 posted on 12/22/2010 3:52:07 PM PST by nagdt ("None of my EX's live in Texas")
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To: StatenIsland

Do any of these reporters actually try to keep track of who recruits delegates? When I voted in the TN primary, Giuliani didn’t have anywhere near a full slate. That told me he hadn’t been serious about running, despite the news.

I realize that the filing deadlines can be 4 months or so before the primary. But you would think a good reporter would have figured it out in the first month.


32 posted on 12/22/2010 3:59:18 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: nagdt

I’d be down with Rudy. I think he is a great leader and would use the pulpit well. I also think he may be more conservative on a national scale than he was in NYC. If he is the nominee, conservatives will vote for him instead of 4 more years of Obama.


33 posted on 12/22/2010 4:02:31 PM PST by roostercogburn
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To: StatenIsland

Rudy should stick to NY politics.


34 posted on 12/22/2010 8:41:12 PM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: Liz; Reagan Man; rabscuttle385; stephenjohnbanker; jedward; sickoflibs

Anybody got a giant fly swatter?


35 posted on 12/22/2010 11:00:30 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat’s dream. If you control carbon, you control life" —Lindzen)
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To: StatenIsland

Rudy Guiliani has backbone. He calls evil evil and does not pussy foot around in a dangerous muddle of political correctness. He was the only New York leader to refuse to meet with terrorist master mind Yasser Arafat when the U.S. let Arafat into the U.S. Rudy said, “I will not meet with him; he’s a terrorist responsible for the mass murder of thousands.” Rudy stands heads taller than any other politician in patriotism and leadership ability. He’s make a great president, just the kind the U.S. needs now.


36 posted on 12/22/2010 11:07:26 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now (C.A.I.R. is a terrorist facade and a clear and present danger to American freedom and safety.)
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To: All

Beware the Zot! JimRob is not a big fan of Rudy G.:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821435/posts


37 posted on 12/22/2010 11:08:15 PM PST by Drago
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To: calcowgirl; rabscuttle385; stephenjohnbanker; jedward; sickoflibs; TommyDale
Rudy Giuliani a 2012 dark horse? Anybody got a giant fly swatter?

He has got to be the most self-absorbed individual on the political landscape....ever. Must sleep with that Time cover pic of himself under his pillow.

He represents everything you don't want in a nation.

Self-absorption at its apex: Rudy Giuliani was NYC mayor with two children with his second wife. He actually held a news conference to announce he was divorcing her BEFORE he even told her about it. If that wasn't enough---he later announced his mistress would be moving into the Mayoral home (while he was married).

Giuliani's wife had to go to court to get the Mayor's residence declared the marital home in order to keep a roof over her children's head.

Later it became public that Giuliani used public resources to keep his mistress.

Someone should also ask Rudy what happened to the $4 million from the "911 Foundation" he set-up and put his mistress (his present wife) in charge of.

38 posted on 12/23/2010 12:30:02 AM PST by Liz
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To: roostercogburn; Liz; calcowgirl; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Avoiding_Sulla; indylindy; ...
I’d be down with Rudy.

Sure, and maybe you'll be "down" with Obama next.

If he is the nominee, conservatives will vote for him instead of 4 more years of Obama.

Only stupid conservatives rally to vote for liberal statists.

39 posted on 12/23/2010 4:42:05 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: StatenIsland

He has a shot. If all moderates coalesce and support Rudy.

That means zero votes for Romney and other RINOs. Barbour will also be hurt by Rudy’s move.

But he has a shot.

Me? I heart Sarah Palin, Sen. DeMint and Jindal.


40 posted on 12/23/2010 4:52:54 AM PST by convertedtoreason ( Nature tells us to take a LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVE stance)
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To: StatenIsland

No.


41 posted on 12/23/2010 4:55:21 AM PST by Jemian (Merry Christmas!)
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To: mylife

Will that be his official “uniform” for Commander of the new DADT military? LOL


42 posted on 12/23/2010 4:59:23 AM PST by dforest
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To: StatenIsland

Somebody already said this down the thread and I’m too lazy to look. The MSM is turning to Rudy because they know that Mittens, Huckleberry, et al don’t have a chance against Palin. They are going to be running all kinds of folks out that THEY say are presidential material.


43 posted on 12/23/2010 5:01:44 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Liz

Egads! You’re back! I haven’t seen you in years - but, of course, your Rudy fixation brings you back to life, lol!

I supported Rudy in 2008. He lost. I think his time has passed.

Go, Sarah, go!


44 posted on 12/23/2010 5:28:13 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Rudy Guiliani is pro-abort, anti-gun, pro-global-warming, just for starters. He pushed the corrupt Bernie Kerik for Homeland Security head. And he's an authoritarian control freak.

If you think Rudy is A-OK, you're probably on the wrong website, quite frankly.

45 posted on 12/23/2010 5:29:52 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
I don't know why, I am simply unable to help myself.


46 posted on 12/23/2010 5:50:14 AM PST by MyIndianNameIsSwimsWithSharks (There are no friends in politics.We are all sharks;circling,waiting for blood in the water.)
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To: StatenIsland

The guy we want is Chris Christie.


47 posted on 12/23/2010 6:20:21 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: StatenIsland

What a ridiculous notion. Does this idiot really think that GOP primary voters have changed so much that they would embrace a “Republican” who favors partial-birth abortion, gun control and special rights for gays?


48 posted on 12/23/2010 6:48:40 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: StatenIsland
Rudy is the only politician on the national scene who has demonstrated that he can call out the Islamists.

And by that I mean not just the overt terrorists (plenty of GOP'ers including Palin and Newt have done that) but their enablers in Saudi, Kuwait, and Pakistan.

I honestly don't think you would ever see him holding hands with, much less bowing to, the Saudi scum.

There needs to be a foreign policy role for someone who has that stand. But I agree, not POTUS.

49 posted on 12/23/2010 7:09:30 AM PST by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout".)
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To: smokingfrog

I agree...couldn’t he run for mayor again after sitting out a couple of terms?

He did well for the city and he seems happy there.


50 posted on 12/23/2010 7:29:02 AM PST by Scanian
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