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Is Rudy Giuliani a 2012 dark horse?
TheHill.com ^ | 12/22/10 | Christian Heinze

Posted on 12/22/2010 7:09:21 AM PST by StatenIsland

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To: stockpirate
"that’s because Sean is a moderate RINO, bootlicker."

I disagree. Hannity has consistently railed against oBama's policies from the beginning better than most broadcasters.

If Rudy were to seriously run as a pro-Life candidate, he'd might have chance. However, I prefer Palin/West.

51 posted on 12/23/2010 7:47:31 AM PST by NoRedTape
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

People that don’t like him had better realize Independent voters and a large portion of tea partiers are LESS social conservative. Just sayin...

Realistically I don’t think anyone who would do as I want... disavow the U.N. immediately and downsize government and do away with political correctness would have a chance, quite sadly. The more moderate voters want fiscal conservatism.


52 posted on 12/23/2010 7:55:21 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoRedTape

I wish West would run.


53 posted on 12/23/2010 7:57:45 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: StatenIsland

He’s a long shot, not a dark horse...I prefer him over the GOP moderates (Romney, Pawlenty,et al) and Huckleberry...the author makes an interesting point about the lessening of influence of social conservatives. On a national level, there is not much talk about abortion and the loss on DADT has set the stage for gay marriage at a national level that will be difficult to stop by 2012. If that’s the case, economy voters may outvote the social ones...regardless, I still see the GOP odds at Palin 50%, Romney 50% at this point in time...magritte


54 posted on 12/23/2010 8:08:32 AM PST by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: convertedtoreason

I like West

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQmCZjJ0k


55 posted on 12/23/2010 8:16:23 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: calcowgirl

56 posted on 12/23/2010 8:16:30 AM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: dirtboy

Are you claiming that every long-time poster to this site must agree with you on everything?


57 posted on 12/23/2010 8:22:13 AM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now (C.A.I.R. is a terrorist facade group and a present danger to American free speech)
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To: magritte

Your screen name is that of my favorite artist. Your tagline is from my favorite author. Well done!!


58 posted on 12/23/2010 8:24:28 AM PST by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout".)
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To: convertedtoreason

LTC West is brilliant and unafraid of political correctness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmn0mFV7xFs&NR=1&feature=fvwp

I pray, LTC West will be the dark horse and I dare the media to bash him.


59 posted on 12/23/2010 8:24:33 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now; dirtboy
He's giving you fair warning.

Now read this thread, fwiw: Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

60 posted on 12/23/2010 8:27:02 AM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Independent voters and a large portion of tea partiers are LESS social conservative.

Free Republic is increasingly becoming a site which represents the 20-25% percent of the electorate which is hardline, no compromises social conservative.

And of course it's the owner's prerogative to keep it that way.

But that doesn't make hardline social conservatism a 51% winner on the national scale.

61 posted on 12/23/2010 8:29:30 AM PST by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout".)
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To: Notary Sojac

Agreed. That is basically what I was trying to say...I think both fiscal and social conservatives both agree that the same ole same ole vote the better of the two evils is SO OLD and Americans are fed up! This is why I believe no matter how much primary infighting happens (the republicans had best wake up BTW. I am not a republican because most republicans are PC dems in disguise. I am a registered independent voter.) Someone will win in 2012 that will truly turn this country around come hell or high water.


62 posted on 12/23/2010 8:37:01 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: StatenIsland

Better than Huckleberry and Romney , but thats about it.


63 posted on 12/23/2010 8:46:47 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now; Reagan Man; Jim Robinson
It ain't about agreeing with me. It's about agreeing with the site owner. He allows latitude on a lot of subjects, but promoting a pro-abort gun-grabbing authoritarian control freak apparently isn't one of them.

Pinging Jim because we're talking about him, not to try and call in a zot. Rudy has appeal to a lot of people because of his law and order bona fides, but that usually fades when they find out the underlying details about Rudy's battle against basic rights such as the right to life and self-defense. I hope you will take the time to read about the awards from abortion groups that Rudy has gotten and Rudy's attempts to stifle 2nd Amendmend rights, just for starters, before you decide he is a good choice for conservatives.

64 posted on 12/23/2010 8:55:06 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: StatenIsland

Here is a list of POTUS candidates I googled. I don’t think Rudy even made the list.

http://2012.republican-candidates.org/


65 posted on 12/23/2010 8:58:25 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Jim Robinson

Ping


66 posted on 12/23/2010 9:00:17 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: magritte
...the author makes an interesting point about the lessening of influence of social conservatives.

You miss a key aspect of that. It's one thing to be like McDonnell from Virginia who did not actively campaign on social issues, sticking instead to Tea Party basics.

It's another entirely to be like Rudy who has actively promoted abortion interests (I refuse to call it abortion rights) and who has fought against basic 2nd Amendment rights.

Socons and 2nd Amendment proponents may vote for the likes of McDonnell, but not for someone like Rudy who has actively and aggressively worked against their interests in the past. Downplaying socon issues is vastly different from trashing them.

67 posted on 12/23/2010 9:01:01 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: nagdt
You must've been hiding during the great purge a few years back.
68 posted on 12/23/2010 9:06:24 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: roostercogburn

Fail.


69 posted on 12/23/2010 9:08:07 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode

I wish you would put all the energy you have in calling the owner of the site like you are in the sixth grade; into something else.


70 posted on 12/23/2010 9:11:43 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoRedTape

Sean blows Rudy, Newt and Myth. He always has these NO socalists on his show.


71 posted on 12/23/2010 9:14:50 AM PST by stockpirate (Sen. Mitch McConnel (R) has betrayed the Nov. 2, 2010 voters w/his tax bill!)
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To: Liz
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Thanks anyway, Rudy RINO.
If they want four additional years for Obambi, the GOP will nominate Rudy.

72 posted on 12/23/2010 9:23:58 AM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
"I wish you would put all the energy you have in calling the owner of the site like you are in the sixth grade; into something else."

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I had gotten in the face of 5 or 6 people who got the zot on the great purge thread long before that thread and long before it was fashionable.

I find this way actually saves energy.

73 posted on 12/23/2010 9:25:07 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: dirtboy
Downplaying socon issues is vastly different from trashing them.

That's as may be, and I agree with you, but when Mitch Daniels suggested that the socon issues be downplayed for a while, many here at FR went "absolutely Rudy" on him.

74 posted on 12/23/2010 9:27:34 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Imagine the parade to celebrate victory in the WoT. What security measures would we need??)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
IMO there are only two serious candidates I can't possibly support for POTUS. Both Huck and Mitt are far too statist for my liking. I don't see Rudy as a serious candidate, but he falls into that same category.

Every other potential GOP candidate is acceptable to me. Unlike some Freepers, who see a RINO under every suit (or blouse)....

75 posted on 12/23/2010 9:33:04 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Imagine the parade to celebrate victory in the WoT. What security measures would we need??)
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To: Notary Sojac

Daniels was stupid about how he went about it, quite frankly.


76 posted on 12/23/2010 9:33:22 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: StatenIsland

Rudy was acceptable where he was, when he was mayor. I have no quarrel with that, if NYC selected him and he stays there. But NY isn’t America.

Same with Christie; that’s between him and Jersey.

It’s like Merkel being leader of Germany, it’s just not my concern, and anyway they don’t seem to be that bad in the niche they’re in.

But when a pro-abort, anti-gun guy wants to lead America, I have a serious quarrel with that.


77 posted on 12/23/2010 9:55:19 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Merry Christmas!)
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To: StatenIsland

If you want to see how a pro-abortion Republican fares against an Obama re-election campaign, take a look at how Charlie Baker did against Deval Patrick.


78 posted on 12/23/2010 10:03:55 AM PST by cmj328
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To: StatenIsland

No more RINOS! Rudy Giuliani should run against Michael Bloomberg for NYC Mayor! It’s a shame that Rudy won’t do this, because, BTW, Rudy and Michael are friends (another reason to not support Rudy Giuliani for POTUS, ever!).


79 posted on 12/23/2010 10:15:17 AM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: StatenIsland

Sounds like wishful thinking on the part of a liberal journalist. The candidacy of any candidate in favor of abortion rights in the Republican party is DOA.


80 posted on 12/23/2010 10:32:57 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: StatenIsland

Didn’t we put this to rest in during the last presidential election?

He’s another NY RINO.


81 posted on 12/23/2010 10:37:40 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek

RINOs can be harder to get rid of than vampires and werewolves.


82 posted on 12/23/2010 10:54:54 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Drago

I would hope this place doesn’t become LGF in that regard.


83 posted on 12/23/2010 11:00:38 AM PST by chargers fan
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To: Notary Sojac

It seems that the absolutely Rudy treatment is for all but one person that may not even be running.


84 posted on 12/23/2010 11:28:43 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: BigBobber

Director of Homeland Security is the perfect job for Rudy.

He hates these terrorist bastards and has vast experience dealing with law enforcement and how to reduce crime.

President - NO


85 posted on 12/23/2010 11:45:19 AM PST by Col Frank Slade
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To: The Wizard

I would have a very difficult time voting for Palin if she selected a pro-abortion veep.


86 posted on 12/23/2010 11:51:48 AM PST by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Notary Sojac

Yeah agreed. I like Pence, Daniels, Jindal. But they diss them here and we are not even in the primaries full swing—go figure.

I just truly wish West would run. He would tell the U.N. to go pound sand.


87 posted on 12/23/2010 11:56:15 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: wendy1946
The guy we want is Chris Christie.

He is great on Budget, lousy on Social Issues, and ignoring Social issues has brought us where we are.

America is great, because America is good, if she ceases to be good, she will cease being great. Misquote I think, but close enough.

88 posted on 12/23/2010 12:14:53 PM PST by itsahoot (We the people, allowed Republican leadership to get us here, only God's Grace can get us out.)
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To: Notary Sojac
But that doesn't make hardline social conservatism a 51% winner on the national scale.

No, but it certainly doesn't make a difference if the RINO's that sold you out in the Lame Duck session, stay in power either. Good vs Evil, you choose, the less evil approach is what got us here.

Choose this day Whom you will serve, as for me and my house........

89 posted on 12/23/2010 12:21:58 PM PST by itsahoot (We the people, allowed Republican leadership to get us here, only God's Grace can get us out.)
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To: Frantzie
>> Rudy is light years better than Romney, Newt, McCain or Huckabee <<

I would rate all four of them well to the right of Rudy. None are gun-grabbing, pro-gay rights, abortion-loving "Catholics", although in Romney's case he used to be. Rudy was the most liberal Republican seeking the 2008 presidential nomination, and probably will be again.

90 posted on 12/23/2010 1:14:23 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: itsahoot
>> [Chris Christie] is great on Budget, lousy on Social Issues, and ignoring Social issues has brought us where we are. <<

Christie is 100% pro-life (with a track record of actually DOING something about it and shutting down Planned Parenthood in NJ), pro-traditional marriage (and has pledged to veto any gay marriage legislation), pro-freedom of religious expression (and he is personally a very devout Catholic who started his inageration day with a Mass), pro-school vouchers and educational choice, and anti-enthusenia.

No, he's not perfect on social issues, but the idea that he's a "social liberal" is a myth started by bitter Lonegan supporters. Christie is conservative on roughly 80% of the social issues out there. When they're confronted with this and asked to provide proof of all his "social liberal" policies, they get off topic and start talking about windmill taxes and other stuff that has nothing to do with social issues. If he was a "social liberal", he'd be marching in gay pride parades and handing out condoms in public schools.

He's not as conservative as me on social issues, but he's well to the right of a social liberal like Mark Mark or Barney Frank.

91 posted on 12/23/2010 1:21:05 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

Thanks for clearing that up re: Christie. He is a worthy candidate don’t let anyone diss him.


92 posted on 12/23/2010 1:51:39 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: StatenIsland
I ‘d vote for him, if he could figure out how to run a decent Presidential campaign he could win.

Whoever makes it out of the primary will have my vote, I can't stand Obama one bit.

I'm from upstate NY with relatives in the city and he was nothing but great for NYC. If you can clean up that place, you can clean up Washington.

And those pictures of him in drag were a big joke, you do know that folks, right? Did you see him on SNL? He was funny and a good sport, I taped it and occasionally still watch it when I want a good laugh.

He ran a horrible campaign last time around for sure, but if he can win in NYC, he can win the state, probably NJ (Christie is a good friend of his) and maybe a few other blue states. I don't think Palin, Gingrich, Romney, et al can pick off any blue states.

I want Obama gone. I don't think Giuliani will push any left wing social issues as President of the U.S., he'll know who got him there. He won't be in NYC anymore.

93 posted on 12/23/2010 2:07:22 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: dirtboy

Hey Dirtboy...at this point economic conservatives, moderates and independents may likely disregard Rudy’s abortion and gay rights background...they tend to view him more as a “law and order” candidate as opposed to a “liberal Republican” candidate...also, the Left absolutely positive HATES Rudy with a passion, which gives him “Republican” credibility...regardless, the primary system is not set up to give Rudy a chance in the Republican race, so it’s probably a moot point, so as I indicated, right now this is a Romney/Palin race at this point in time...Merry Christmas ! ...magritte


94 posted on 12/23/2010 2:15:53 PM PST by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: MacMattico
I don't think Giuliani will push any left wing social issues as President of the U.S., he'll know who got him there. He won't be in NYC anymore.

I guess we should just ignore all of the lobbying for tighter federal gun laws he did over the years.

Not.

Rudy is an authoritarian to the bone and belongs nowhere near the White House.

95 posted on 12/23/2010 4:01:00 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: BigBobber
Giuliani would be a great wartime president or vice president and this world is headed for war.

Giuliani and Palin would be a great ticket.

I will second that. (unlesss she picks him for another post .....AG, SS)

96 posted on 12/23/2010 4:34:09 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Col Frank Slade
Director of Homeland Security is the perfect job for Rudy.

Another great idea.

97 posted on 12/23/2010 4:36:49 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Liz

” Someone should also ask Rudy what happened to the $4 million from the “911 Foundation” he set-up and put his mistress (his present wife) in charge of. “

That oughta be a hoot ;-)


98 posted on 12/23/2010 4:48:31 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: rabscuttle385

” Only stupid conservatives rally to vote for liberal statists. “

If the Repubs run another RINO, we will likely get Obama for 4 more years


99 posted on 12/23/2010 4:51:11 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: calcowgirl

LOL!!


100 posted on 12/23/2010 4:51:42 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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