Skip to comments.Is Rudy Giuliani a 2012 dark horse?
Posted on 12/22/2010 7:09:21 AM PST by StatenIsland
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I disagree. Hannity has consistently railed against oBama's policies from the beginning better than most broadcasters.
If Rudy were to seriously run as a pro-Life candidate, he'd might have chance. However, I prefer Palin/West.
People that don’t like him had better realize Independent voters and a large portion of tea partiers are LESS social conservative. Just sayin...
Realistically I don’t think anyone who would do as I want... disavow the U.N. immediately and downsize government and do away with political correctness would have a chance, quite sadly. The more moderate voters want fiscal conservatism.
I wish West would run.
He’s a long shot, not a dark horse...I prefer him over the GOP moderates (Romney, Pawlenty,et al) and Huckleberry...the author makes an interesting point about the lessening of influence of social conservatives. On a national level, there is not much talk about abortion and the loss on DADT has set the stage for gay marriage at a national level that will be difficult to stop by 2012. If that’s the case, economy voters may outvote the social ones...regardless, I still see the GOP odds at Palin 50%, Romney 50% at this point in time...magritte
I like West
Are you claiming that every long-time poster to this site must agree with you on everything?
Your screen name is that of my favorite artist. Your tagline is from my favorite author. Well done!!
LTC West is brilliant and unafraid of political correctness.
I pray, LTC West will be the dark horse and I dare the media to bash him.
Now read this thread, fwiw: Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
Free Republic is increasingly becoming a site which represents the 20-25% percent of the electorate which is hardline, no compromises social conservative.
And of course it's the owner's prerogative to keep it that way.
But that doesn't make hardline social conservatism a 51% winner on the national scale.
Agreed. That is basically what I was trying to say...I think both fiscal and social conservatives both agree that the same ole same ole vote the better of the two evils is SO OLD and Americans are fed up! This is why I believe no matter how much primary infighting happens (the republicans had best wake up BTW. I am not a republican because most republicans are PC dems in disguise. I am a registered independent voter.) Someone will win in 2012 that will truly turn this country around come hell or high water.
Better than Huckleberry and Romney , but thats about it.
Pinging Jim because we're talking about him, not to try and call in a zot. Rudy has appeal to a lot of people because of his law and order bona fides, but that usually fades when they find out the underlying details about Rudy's battle against basic rights such as the right to life and self-defense. I hope you will take the time to read about the awards from abortion groups that Rudy has gotten and Rudy's attempts to stifle 2nd Amendmend rights, just for starters, before you decide he is a good choice for conservatives.
Here is a list of POTUS candidates I googled. I don’t think Rudy even made the list.
You miss a key aspect of that. It's one thing to be like McDonnell from Virginia who did not actively campaign on social issues, sticking instead to Tea Party basics.
It's another entirely to be like Rudy who has actively promoted abortion interests (I refuse to call it abortion rights) and who has fought against basic 2nd Amendment rights.
Socons and 2nd Amendment proponents may vote for the likes of McDonnell, but not for someone like Rudy who has actively and aggressively worked against their interests in the past. Downplaying socon issues is vastly different from trashing them.
I wish you would put all the energy you have in calling the owner of the site like you are in the sixth grade; into something else.
Sean blows Rudy, Newt and Myth. He always has these NO socalists on his show.
Thanks anyway, Rudy RINO.
If they want four additional years for Obambi, the GOP will nominate Rudy.
I had gotten in the face of 5 or 6 people who got the zot on the great purge thread long before that thread and long before it was fashionable.
I find this way actually saves energy.
That's as may be, and I agree with you, but when Mitch Daniels suggested that the socon issues be downplayed for a while, many here at FR went "absolutely Rudy" on him.
Every other potential GOP candidate is acceptable to me. Unlike some Freepers, who see a RINO under every suit (or blouse)....
Daniels was stupid about how he went about it, quite frankly.
Rudy was acceptable where he was, when he was mayor. I have no quarrel with that, if NYC selected him and he stays there. But NY isn’t America.
Same with Christie; that’s between him and Jersey.
It’s like Merkel being leader of Germany, it’s just not my concern, and anyway they don’t seem to be that bad in the niche they’re in.
But when a pro-abort, anti-gun guy wants to lead America, I have a serious quarrel with that.
If you want to see how a pro-abortion Republican fares against an Obama re-election campaign, take a look at how Charlie Baker did against Deval Patrick.
No more RINOS! Rudy Giuliani should run against Michael Bloomberg for NYC Mayor! It’s a shame that Rudy won’t do this, because, BTW, Rudy and Michael are friends (another reason to not support Rudy Giuliani for POTUS, ever!).
Sounds like wishful thinking on the part of a liberal journalist. The candidacy of any candidate in favor of abortion rights in the Republican party is DOA.
Didn’t we put this to rest in during the last presidential election?
He’s another NY RINO.
RINOs can be harder to get rid of than vampires and werewolves.
I would hope this place doesn’t become LGF in that regard.
It seems that the absolutely Rudy treatment is for all but one person that may not even be running.
Director of Homeland Security is the perfect job for Rudy.
He hates these terrorist bastards and has vast experience dealing with law enforcement and how to reduce crime.
President - NO
I would have a very difficult time voting for Palin if she selected a pro-abortion veep.
Yeah agreed. I like Pence, Daniels, Jindal. But they diss them here and we are not even in the primaries full swing—go figure.
I just truly wish West would run. He would tell the U.N. to go pound sand.
He is great on Budget, lousy on Social Issues, and ignoring Social issues has brought us where we are.
America is great, because America is good, if she ceases to be good, she will cease being great. Misquote I think, but close enough.
No, but it certainly doesn't make a difference if the RINO's that sold you out in the Lame Duck session, stay in power either. Good vs Evil, you choose, the less evil approach is what got us here.
Choose this day Whom you will serve, as for me and my house........
I would rate all four of them well to the right of Rudy. None are gun-grabbing, pro-gay rights, abortion-loving "Catholics", although in Romney's case he used to be. Rudy was the most liberal Republican seeking the 2008 presidential nomination, and probably will be again.
Christie is 100% pro-life (with a track record of actually DOING something about it and shutting down Planned Parenthood in NJ), pro-traditional marriage (and has pledged to veto any gay marriage legislation), pro-freedom of religious expression (and he is personally a very devout Catholic who started his inageration day with a Mass), pro-school vouchers and educational choice, and anti-enthusenia.
No, he's not perfect on social issues, but the idea that he's a "social liberal" is a myth started by bitter Lonegan supporters. Christie is conservative on roughly 80% of the social issues out there. When they're confronted with this and asked to provide proof of all his "social liberal" policies, they get off topic and start talking about windmill taxes and other stuff that has nothing to do with social issues. If he was a "social liberal", he'd be marching in gay pride parades and handing out condoms in public schools.
He's not as conservative as me on social issues, but he's well to the right of a social liberal like Mark Mark or Barney Frank.
Thanks for clearing that up re: Christie. He is a worthy candidate don’t let anyone diss him.
Whoever makes it out of the primary will have my vote, I can't stand Obama one bit.
I'm from upstate NY with relatives in the city and he was nothing but great for NYC. If you can clean up that place, you can clean up Washington.
And those pictures of him in drag were a big joke, you do know that folks, right? Did you see him on SNL? He was funny and a good sport, I taped it and occasionally still watch it when I want a good laugh.
He ran a horrible campaign last time around for sure, but if he can win in NYC, he can win the state, probably NJ (Christie is a good friend of his) and maybe a few other blue states. I don't think Palin, Gingrich, Romney, et al can pick off any blue states.
I want Obama gone. I don't think Giuliani will push any left wing social issues as President of the U.S., he'll know who got him there. He won't be in NYC anymore.
Hey Dirtboy...at this point economic conservatives, moderates and independents may likely disregard Rudy’s abortion and gay rights background...they tend to view him more as a “law and order” candidate as opposed to a “liberal Republican” candidate...also, the Left absolutely positive HATES Rudy with a passion, which gives him “Republican” credibility...regardless, the primary system is not set up to give Rudy a chance in the Republican race, so it’s probably a moot point, so as I indicated, right now this is a Romney/Palin race at this point in time...Merry Christmas ! ...magritte
I guess we should just ignore all of the lobbying for tighter federal gun laws he did over the years.
Rudy is an authoritarian to the bone and belongs nowhere near the White House.
Giuliani and Palin would be a great ticket.
I will second that. (unlesss she picks him for another post .....AG, SS)
Another great idea.
” Someone should also ask Rudy what happened to the $4 million from the “911 Foundation” he set-up and put his mistress (his present wife) in charge of. “
That oughta be a hoot ;-)
” Only stupid conservatives rally to vote for liberal statists. “
If the Repubs run another RINO, we will likely get Obama for 4 more years