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U.S. sues man who ran zip lines in (the Columbia River) Gorge National Scenic Area (on his own land)
Seattle Times ^ | 12/22/2010

Posted on 12/22/2010 5:39:44 PM PST by llevrok

TACOMA — A Washington man who was briefly jailed last year for violating a state court order that he stop offering zip-line rides (snip) is now in trouble with the federal government.

The U.S. Attorneys Office sued Derek Hoyte this week in federal court in Tacoma, saying the U.S. Forest Service recently confirmed reports that Hoyte has reinstalled zip lines on the property and is constructing a suspension bridge without permission.

The Forest Service says Hoyte has built roads and cut trees on an 80-acre parcel he owns near Washougal in violation of a conservation easement the government obtained from the previous owners of the property. Prosecutors are seeking a restraining order and asking that Hoyte be forced to compensate the government for damage to the land and pay triple damages for any lumber he cut.

A federal judge set a hearing on the temporary restraining-order request for Wednesday

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: fedgov; privateproperty
More state-ism
1 posted on 12/22/2010 5:39:47 PM PST by llevrok
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To: llevrok

Your property is not yours. You only rent/borrow it from the government.


2 posted on 12/22/2010 5:42:38 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: llevrok

It’s time to get out those old hippie mags that were published back in the ‘60s.

I can’t quite remember what things they gave instructions on how to build.....


3 posted on 12/22/2010 5:46:44 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: llevrok

We need to help him in lawyer fees. I would donate. It’s time to tell these marxists to f-off.


4 posted on 12/22/2010 5:47:08 PM PST by bronxville
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To: llevrok

This peasant should be flogged.


5 posted on 12/22/2010 5:48:06 PM PST by kiryandil
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To: llevrok

In the not too distant past there was always the idea you could fall back to the wilderness if you had too in times of extreme upheaval.

Now, if you even dared try it, you’d be shot on sight to protect any wild animals, or vegetation there from being bruised.

Actually, Alaska is sounding a lot better with each passing day. Somewhere about 500 miles from the nearest neighbor should be just about right.


6 posted on 12/22/2010 5:51:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: llevrok

easement
7 posted on 12/22/2010 5:51:11 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: llevrok

If he was told of the easement when he bought the property, then he must comply with it. If the title search did not reveal the easement, then he can sue the title company.


8 posted on 12/22/2010 5:51:58 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: kiryandil
This peasant should be flogged.

A flogging is far too kind for this miscreant. :-)

9 posted on 12/22/2010 5:53:24 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I have a problem with some easements, but if there was an easement, he does have to comply.


10 posted on 12/22/2010 5:55:09 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: llevrok

Sounds like a clear case of trespassing to me.

I hope he sues them for everything he can. Easement violations are one thing, trespassing is criminal. Someone should be going to jail.


11 posted on 12/22/2010 5:55:24 PM PST by dila813
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To: bronxville

“We need to help him in lawyer fees. I would donate. It’s time to tell these marxists to f-off.”

Years ago I would have agreed, but now I think lawyering up is BS. This is militia work and a public campaign. Time to push the tyrant (Federal Government off our land. Local Government (and state) should be backing him up and so should his neighbors because it is only a short time before they will be using their land wrongly.


12 posted on 12/22/2010 5:59:33 PM PST by jafojeffsurf ( Return to the Constitution.)
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To: llevrok

Many years ago my grandfather had a government worker, a game warden pull down on him while he and some others were hunting deer out of season. They turn the tables on him, tied him to a tree with barbed wire and left him there in the woods for three days before calling his offices to tell them where they could find him. He left the service and moved out of the area. It has nothing to do with anything but I thought it made a good story.


13 posted on 12/22/2010 6:00:51 PM PST by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Yes. The previous owner benefited from the deal. The deed is stuck with it forever...
14 posted on 12/22/2010 6:05:24 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Domandred

“Your property is not yours. You only rent/borrow it from the government.”

Exactly and it is getting worse.


15 posted on 12/22/2010 6:08:03 PM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: llevrok

If he purchased the land with the easement in place, then he is in the wrong. He might have an action against the seller and / or his attorney if the easement was not disclosed but that’s not likely.


16 posted on 12/22/2010 6:11:34 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: kimoajax

Needs to happen now and a lot of it and often.


17 posted on 12/22/2010 6:21:51 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: kimoajax

Your grandfather would be up on thirty or forty “felonies” if he had done that in The New Age of the American Peasant.


18 posted on 12/22/2010 6:22:27 PM PST by kiryandil
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To: DoughtyOne
“In the not too distant past there was always the idea you could fall back to the wilderness if you had too in times of extreme upheaval.

Now, if you even dared try it, you’d be shot on sight to protect any wild animals, or vegetation there from being bruised.

Actually, Alaska is sounding a lot better with each passing day. Somewhere about 500 miles from the nearest neighbor should be just about right.”

AMEN! I just wish I could sell out and get out of Northern NV, But I cannot, I am just too old, however I have lot’s of staples stored, lot’s of medical Supplies, and lot’s of ammo and mil grade weapons. I also have the training and back ground to use all of the above courtesy of the USN. SO it is stand and fight for me!!!

19 posted on 12/22/2010 6:25:06 PM PST by mongo141
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To: llevrok

Looks as though he bought the property with the knowledge that there was an easement.

He Has No Case.


20 posted on 12/22/2010 6:25:22 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: mongo141

I hear ya. I’m not going to do it either, but I do see some real problems on the horizon.


21 posted on 12/22/2010 6:34:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: Sequoyah101
Needs to happen now and a lot of it and often.

The Police State is now complete. His grandfather would have been charged with kidnapping, oodles of gun charges, attempted murder, and a sackload of whatever our masters could throw at the wall & make stick.

Gramps would have been lucky to get out in 20 years.

Last year, I got pulled over in a residential neighborhood. I stopped my car immediately, then realized that I was blocking a guy's driveway. I pulled forward a little bit to clear the driveway, and the officer stormed up to my window. "WHY DID YOU MOVE YOUR CAR TOWARD ME?"

Say what? I explained that I was blocking another peasant's driveway. That seemed to settle him down a little - but I still got to share the wealth.

Later, I realized that they teach 'em in Lawdog School nowadays that the peasants are always "threatening" them somehow. I was probably lucky I wasn't up on charges for "assaulting a peace officer".

We are SO owned...

22 posted on 12/22/2010 6:35:30 PM PST by kiryandil
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To: Domandred
Your property is not yours.

YOU are not yours.

23 posted on 12/22/2010 6:36:15 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: llevrok
...a conservation easement the government obtained from the previous owners of the property.

If true, this guy is a fool and has not a leg to stand on.

24 posted on 12/22/2010 6:56:44 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: llevrok
in violation of a conservation easement the government obtained from the previous owners of the property.

They guy apparently bought the property knowing there was an easment on it already. The previous owners sold out -- unless they were coerced. Nonetheless, the new owner bought the land knowing he would have to abide by the easment.

25 posted on 12/22/2010 7:30:10 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Exactly, if people her are really concerned with property rights, this guy like the rest of us only gets the rights he purchased. And the property price likely reflected the easement.


26 posted on 12/22/2010 7:35:34 PM PST by JLS (Democrats: People who won't even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day.)
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To: kimoajax

I became confused when I heard the word ” Service” used with these agencies:

Internal Revenue ‘ Service ‘
U.S. Postal ‘ Service ‘
Telephone ‘ Service ‘
Cable TV ’ Service ‘
Civil ‘ Service ‘
State, City, County & Public ‘ Service ‘
Customer ‘ Service ‘
Agricultural Service
This is not what I thought Service “meant”.

But today, I overheard two farmers talking, and one of them said he had hired a bull to’ Service ‘ all his cows.
BAM!!! It all came into focus. Now I understand what all those agencies are doing to us.


27 posted on 12/22/2010 7:39:40 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Da Coyote
"In the early 1980s, the MOTHER EARTH NEWS staff experimented with the wood gas concept to power a truck. They eventually produced a wood gasification system, fabricated from recycled water heaters, that was successful enough to warrant a wood gas generator plan to offer in the magazine."

http://www.motherearthnews.com/shopping/detail.aspx?itemnumber=762

28 posted on 12/22/2010 7:45:28 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: DoughtyOne

Survival on the mainland will involve eating wolves.


29 posted on 12/22/2010 7:52:48 PM PST by mcshot (The golfing dude's grandmother knows where he was born - ask her.)
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To: JLS

He signed a contract with the Feds and he broke that contract.

The Feds don’t like it when you break a contact with them and the Feds have lots of lawyers.


30 posted on 12/22/2010 7:54:03 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: kiryandil

Cops scare the living spit out of me. Don’t trust them at all. I consider them armed, dangerous, on a hair trigger and looking for a reason to pull it.

You are lucky not to be up on charges for APO or resisting.

Try to pull over in a lighted area or out of the traffic and see what you get. Last summer two of the states finest stopped me for an expired safety inspection sticker. You would have thought they were stopping John Dillinger. County road and the big truck so I pulled over in a ditch to see what they would do... blocked the whole dang road is what they did then crept up along the side of the truck from each side.

Morons.


31 posted on 12/22/2010 8:05:47 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: kimoajax

Back in ‘42 when most of the sheriff’s deputies had been drafted, a guy moved into our neighborhood. He wasn’t a real nice guy and his wife kept showing up at the general store with bruises and cuts so everyone figured he was a bad ‘un but it was a family matter. When the word went out that he was sleeping with his own daughter though, opinions changed rapidly.

I was only eight years old then but I remember the meeting in our living room of all the men in the neighborhood. My mom ouldn’t let me listen in but I knew something was up. The whole bunch of them left and later when dad came back alone he was very quiet. He never drank much but that night he took a bottle out of the cupboard and sat on the porch, drinking and smoking.

It was dark but I knew the trails around there like the back of my own hand so I talked a neighbor kid into coming with me and we slipped up on the badguy’s house from the woods. His wife and kids were gone with the car and he was hanging from a tree. The next day the sheriff showed up and declared it a suicide.


32 posted on 12/22/2010 8:07:27 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: llevrok

Ok, ok. I’m just a city slicker. What is a “zip ride”?


33 posted on 12/22/2010 8:28:05 PM PST by Clioman
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To: writer33; kiryandil
A flogging is far too kind for this miscreant. :-)

This lawless rascal should be given a case of premium scotch whisky and a box of fine cigars!

34 posted on 12/22/2010 8:33:22 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Clioman

35 posted on 12/22/2010 8:40:11 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: mongo141

I was looking into Alaska land a while back so I did some research - reading and communicating with some people and realtors there.

Although Alaska is huge in terms of land area only a relatively small portion is viable as rural or country homesteads. The federal government “owns” about 65% of the land in the state, much of which is land that was traditionally homesteaded or just squatted on.

From what I gather it is now almost impossible to find homestead or rural land in Alaska anymore as the Feds have stopped most (nmaybe all) homesteading and squatting. They have also been running people off many of the old hometeaded parcels and preventing transfer to new owners when the original or present resident dies or moves out.

I know we have some Alaska residents here on Free Republic who can provide more detail and more accurate info but the bottom line seems to be that it’s not easy to find land outside of cities and towns.


36 posted on 12/22/2010 8:45:02 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Damn it, Jim! I'm a doctor not a race relations Czar in the Obama administration.")
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To: Paladin2
In the early 1980s, the MOTHER EARTH NEWS staff experimented with the wood gas concept to power a truck.

In WWII this technique was fairly common because of the difficulty in obtaining gasoline. How to build and operate these wood gas converter powered vehicles is just another skill that has been almost lost over the years. There is a lot of info on the net in addition to the Mother Earth article.

Here is one:

Wood Gas Generation

http://www.electricitybook.com/wood-gas/


37 posted on 12/22/2010 9:00:13 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Damn it, Jim! I'm a doctor not a race relations Czar in the Obama administration.")
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To: Domandred
Your property is not yours.

To play devil's advocate for a moment, "property" and "use of that property" are two different things. I can't erect a business, and many other things on my land, if it isn't zoned for it. Doesn't mean the property isn't mine or to do with as I please, generally speaking.

If Mr. Hoyte signed a contract agreeing to the stipulations that the previous owner enacted, then he is obliged by that contract to cease and desist the activities that he is engaged in.

38 posted on 12/22/2010 9:03:21 PM PST by csense
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To: sionnsar

WA ping


39 posted on 12/22/2010 9:26:15 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: Clioman

Zip line in South Africa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r0pROzHY5M


40 posted on 12/22/2010 10:19:43 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Fred; Chattering Class of 58; SeattleBruce; tarator; 21twelve; Feasor13; matt1234; Bosun; ...
Thanks to Fractal Trader for the ping.

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket Say WA? Evergreen State ping

Quick link: WA State Board

FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this ping list.
Ping sionnsar if you see a Washington state related thread.

41 posted on 12/23/2010 6:12:34 AM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

These conservation easements are getting out of hand. The government owns way too much land as it is, and this results in much more being under effective gov’t control.


42 posted on 12/23/2010 6:14:32 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
This lawless rascal should be given a case of premium scotch whisky and a box of fine cigars!

And a nice standing rack of lamb for his Christmas dinner

43 posted on 12/23/2010 7:55:47 AM PST by llevrok (There is no such thing as the truth, only versions. - Martin Cruz Smith)
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To: mcshot

Ouch! ;^)


44 posted on 12/23/2010 9:06:33 AM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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