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***FACE IT FOLKS: America And The GOP Won All The Big Ones***
Stardate: 1012.23

Posted on 12/23/2010 3:33:04 AM PST by The Wizard

I think if we had a different media the headline would be the one above.....DREAM ACT: failed to pass; Tax increases failed to pass; 1.1 trillion pork bill that including obamacare failed to pass....

We must not allow the whores in the media to lie about what happened.....moogly is a liar and never intends to follow START, and the next president, especially if it's Sarah, will sign repeals on obamacare DADT and everything other bastard thing done by this crook and his minions

Indeed, If I was advising Sarah, Madam President, I would tell her to run on what she will repeal....what agencies, FCC, EPA, etc, she will limit, and on and on....

Let her run on restoring America to it's rightful place in the world, as a GOAL to live up to, a leader in doing the right things for the right reason.....

That's platform enough.

And I'd start lining up the people I want to help me RIGHT NOW


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: chat; homosexualagenda; nolink; vanity

1 posted on 12/23/2010 3:33:06 AM PST by The Wizard
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To: All

have at it, I’m off to work....


2 posted on 12/23/2010 3:33:31 AM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: The Wizard

The DADT repeal was a big one. Damaging our military at any time is unacceptable. Damaging our military at a time of war is unconscionable. Liberalism is a disease.


3 posted on 12/23/2010 3:39:44 AM PST by South40 (Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: The Wizard

With all due respect, you are dreaming

We lost big. That Compromise sucked, and cost us a Trillion dollars. .

Once DADT is implemented, there is no way to put the Geni back in the jar.Same thing goes for Obamacare unless they can starve it in some way.

How can anyone believe that McConnell will be a pillar of strength after the way he folded.


4 posted on 12/23/2010 3:43:10 AM PST by Venturer
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To: South40
Liberalism is a disease mental disorder.

Fixed it!

5 posted on 12/23/2010 3:45:14 AM PST by Las Vegas Dave (To anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a Liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: The Wizard

The repeal of DADT has much farther reaching consequences than nearly any other legislation passed by this administration except for Obamacare, and maybe even that (since there is always a possibility it will not be implemented as they want it to be)

This may sound melodramatic to some, but the biggest long term problem here is that this is a part of a concerted efforts by liberals to destroy the military and normalize homosexuality, with the emphasis on normalizing homosexuality.

From a simple national security/military standpoint, I think that most people don’t understand the threat that open homosexuality poses to security, and it was highlighted in the Wikileaks incident.

Everyone is saying “How did this low level enlisted guy get his hands on so much classified material?” The simple explanation (and usually the right one) is that the security clearance and storage systems are so mangled, underfunded and poorly implemented that if it hadn’t been this guy, it could have been a thousand other people.

But another explanation could be a homosexual affair with someone who had higher clearance, coupled with blackmail. It is probably the oldest espionage trick in the book.

Supporters of repealing DADT maintain that if homosexuality is normalized, this type of vulnerability will disappear because there will be no official stigma associated with it.

The problem with that view is that most people understand homosexuality is a perversion and not a normal, natural situation. Even if it is accepted by some governing agency (like the military) there are ALWAYS going to be people engaging in homosexuality who don’t want anyone to know, their families, friends, workplace, etc.

On a non-security/non-military level, this is simply a great, big, huge wedge, societally and legally, a massive bulldozer by the homosexual community to legitimize homosexuality and homosexual marriage.

If they win on this, every single piece of legislation out there that is viewed as unfair or limiting in some way by homosexual activists will fall like a house of cards, and they damn well know it. It will set a legal precedent for all aspects of society to be forcefully accessible to open homosexuality, from Scoutmasters and elementary school teachers to the Oval Office.


6 posted on 12/23/2010 3:59:45 AM PST by rlmorel ("If this doesn't light your fire, Men, the pilot light's out!"...Coach Ed Bolin)
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To: The Wizard

I agree that Sarah will repeal everything but DADT. I think she was for this. I don’t have proof so don’t ask but she has not said anything about it at all. She is against gay marriage at least.


7 posted on 12/23/2010 4:06:43 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: The Wizard

No one in MSM seems to want to address another big strike against Obama in 2010 - the failure to pass Cap n’ Tax.


8 posted on 12/23/2010 4:13:23 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: napscoordinator

“I don’t have proof so don’t ask but she has not said anything about it at all.”

I haven’t heard anything out of any conservative political leader outside of the congress (with the exception of talk radio) about the repeal of DADT or any of the other crap being rammed through the lame duck session. It’s quite bizarre and I don’t know what to make of it. Perhaps we got snookered for the purpose of winning an election and then picthed off the nearest pier.


9 posted on 12/23/2010 4:29:36 AM PST by dajeeps
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To: The Wizard
A few more "big wins" like the tail end of the Lame Duck and there will be NO GOP

Here is why.

Senate Republican Turncoats
Senate Republican Voting Yea in Lame Duck Session
Bill S.510 FDA Food DADT Repeal START Treaty HR3082 Budget
Alexander (R-TN) Yea Yea Yea
Barrasso (R-WY) Yea
Bennett (R-UT) Yea Yea
Brown (R-MA) Yea Yea Yea Yea
Bunning (R-KY) Yea
Burr (R-NC) Yea Yea
Cochran (R-MS) Yea Yea
Collins (R-ME) Yea Yea Yea Yea
Corker (R-TN) Yea Yea
Ensign (R-NV) Yea Yea
Enzi (R-WY) Yea Yea
Grassley (R-IA) Yea Yea
Gregg (R-NH) Yea Yea
Hutchison (R-TX) Yea
Isakson (R-GA) Yea
Johanns (R-NE) Yea Yea Yea
Kirk (R-IL) Yea Yea Yea
Kyl (R-AZ) Yea
LeMieux (R-FL) Yea
Lugar (R-IN) Yea Yea Yea
McConnell (R-KY) Yea
Murkowski (R-AK) Yea Yea Yea Yea
Roberts (R-KS) Yea
Sessions (R-AL) Yea
Shelby (R-AL) Yea
Snowe (R-ME) Yea Yea Yea Yea
Thune (R-SD) Yea
Vitter (R-LA) Yea
Voinovich (R-OH) Yea Yea Yea Yea
Not Voting
Bond (R-MO) Not voting Not voting Not voting
Brownback (R-KS) Not voting Not voting Not voting
Bunning (R-KY) Not voting Not voting
Gregg (R-NH) Not voting Not voting
Hatch (R-UT) Not voting

10 posted on 12/23/2010 4:32:25 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Informative chart. Thanks for posting.


11 posted on 12/23/2010 4:37:09 AM PST by The Citizen Soldier (Obama: All turban, no camels.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Great chart.

What is/was HR 3082?


12 posted on 12/23/2010 4:45:15 AM PST by meyer (Obama - the Schwartz is with him.)
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To: napscoordinator
Though not in favor of gay marriage I believe Mrs Palin has a 'live and let live' attitude towards homosexuals. She mentioned in her first book a lesbian who is a friend of hers. (This might get her zotted if she were signed on at this site)
She, more than likely, takes a Christian approach to the subject, yet I wouldn't ever expect to see her marching along in a 'gay day' parade.
13 posted on 12/23/2010 4:47:31 AM PST by jla
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To: Texas Fossil

Is Graham missing from the chart? I thought he at least voted Yea on DADT.


14 posted on 12/23/2010 4:49:31 AM PST by Nickname
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To: Texas Fossil

ping


15 posted on 12/23/2010 4:50:42 AM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: The Wizard

What do you suppose Mrs Palin’s opinion is of swingers?


16 posted on 12/23/2010 4:51:46 AM PST by jla
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To: rlmorel

Well stated, if a homosexual can die for his Country, how can we deny that person Xxxxxxxx!
The repeal of DADT is not about Homosexuals serving in the Military


17 posted on 12/23/2010 5:03:28 AM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: The Wizard
I hate carrying around this bucket of cold water but I don't think Sarah Palin will get the nomination because she is too polarizing and irritates too many people. It is certainly true that ex-governors make the best presidents but Sarah quit and that will bite her in the butt eventually. The main stream press will keep pouncing on her which will drive away independents - whom we NEED! I think a guy like Chris Christy will suddenly take on a new life and people will see him as the right person for the job. He's tough, he's knowledgeable, he knows how to get things done. I think he'll be the one.
18 posted on 12/23/2010 5:03:34 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (Congress doesn't care a damn about "we the people")
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To: New Jersey Realist
Christie is not what you think. He sounds good on some things but he supports gun control and a path to citizenship for illegals.

Christie conservative myths

Be wary

19 posted on 12/23/2010 5:21:13 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Don't retreat...reload!)
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To: The Wizard

I’ll throw in the requisite “with all due respect”, but frankly you have your pointy-headed magic hat firmly ensconced up your Biden . . . The GOP are completely worthless POS’s. Anyone who thinks anything is going to change is flat out nuts! The American voter hands the democrats a good ol’ fashion ass-whoopin in Nov. and what do they do? They connive, conspire and act like they’re the ones who won the friggin election! They unify and hand Obambi his biggest wins in his 2 years. As “lame ducks” they managed to do what 2 centuries plus of worthy enemies could not do; destroy the US military. As much as I detest dems/liberals, in the knife-fight that is American politics, they bring AK-47s while repubs brink plastic sporks. . .

And where are the republicans? Still making sure that “my good friend, Senator X” doesn’t think to poorly of them. In fact, the repubs basically said, I’ll vote for all your initiatives to show “my good friend” how we can “work together” like reasonable, political masters. Because “Merlin”, in case you didn’t notice, republicans and democrats will always have one important thing in common . . .they both HATE the base of the “republican” party.

If you want change, I recommend picking up Spanish, saving a chunk of change and buying yourself a nice little corner of paradise in Costa Rica.

Adios,


20 posted on 12/23/2010 5:24:01 AM PST by juan_galt (De oppresso liber - Quien es Juan Galt?)
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To: Steven Tyler

I sort of agree with Sarah, that Homosexualuality is not one of my primary concerns. I disagree with the Homo agenda as will all gummint rule by decree. Havingg never served in the military, I can’t say about there but in the rest of the world, you pretty well know that there are homos and who they are. As a Christian, I agree it is condemed as are a lot of other sins in the OT, But Christ was more forgiving of sinners.
barbra ann


21 posted on 12/23/2010 5:25:42 AM PST by barb-tex (What else did you expect from the likes of 0? BTW, What ever happened to Rhodesia?, Oh, yes, Zimbabw)
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To: The Wizard

I agree. Despite the media hailing all these Obama wins, the truly huge battles were LOST by the Left. Omnibus defeated, Dream Act defeated, all tax increases allowed to occur, defeated. The wins by Obama while possibly infuriating to many (who likes to lose) do not compare in import to the losses).

DADT is nothing since the military will as it always has done in the past handle any problems brought on by this within the ranks. If gays believe this will allow them to carry on in the military as they do in public they will be in for a huge surprise. It will only take 1 or 2 midnight counselling sessions to convince them discretion is appropriate in their case. In the end they will still be relegated to hanging out with their own kind as before and in fact more so because now every soldier on base will know who’s gay and who’s straight.

The START treaty, if it turns out to be disadvantageous to us will be ignored as the Russians have ignored any treaty they found inconvenient. Besides the main point of disagreement was whether there is a difference between offensive weapon development and defensive weapon development. To this Obama has stated in writing to the Congress that there IS a difference and we will be able to continue R&D on defensive weapons.


22 posted on 12/23/2010 5:54:55 AM PST by 101voodoo
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To: rlmorel
I agree with your general statement here, but let's face it -- I don't think DADT was terribly effective in the first place.

I offer that little WikiLeaks freak from the U.S. Army -- I believe "his" name is PFC Manning -- as Exhibit A on that point.

23 posted on 12/23/2010 7:04:38 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: barb-tex

I guess a WOMAN would have no problem being around a bunch of queers. WTH? Why did you post that crap?


24 posted on 12/23/2010 7:21:44 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: meyer

See:

http://www.gop.gov/bill/111/2/hr3082senateamendment

FLOOR SITUATION

“The House is scheduled to consider Senate amendments to H.R. 3082 on Tuesday, December 21, 2010. H.R. 3082 was initially introduced as the FY 2010 Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Appropriations Act and approved in the House by a vote of 415-3 on July 10, 2009. The bill was approved in the Senate on November 17, 2009; however, the bill was not signed by the president because funding for the agencies was ultimately provided through H.R. 3288, the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2010. H.R. 3082 is now being further amended and used as the vehicle for a Continuing Resolution (CR) to provide discretionary funding for government activities through March 4, 2011.”

The Continuing Resolution providing for funding the Federal Government at current levels through March 2, 2011 was added to the Military Appropriations Bill.

Many times the Dems play such shenanagins with the naming and renaming of bills that it is difficult to follow (no accident). In this case the Continuing Resolution was added to the Military Appropriation Bill.


25 posted on 12/23/2010 7:24:00 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: The Wizard
I disagree.


26 posted on 12/23/2010 7:25:18 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: Nickname

He voted Nay on DADT. It is probable that he actually supported it, but that the Dems had enough votes that they let him seek cover by not voting for it.

Had the chips been down he probably would have voted for it, is my guess.


27 posted on 12/23/2010 7:26:05 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I doubt very seriously that PFC Manning is the real source of the leaked documents on WIKILEAKS.


28 posted on 12/23/2010 7:30:36 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Re: HR 3082...

thanks!


29 posted on 12/23/2010 7:31:04 AM PST by meyer (Obama - the Schwartz is with him.)
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To: The Wizard

I’m not seeing it. The FCC will quash the internet; DADT will hurt the military,; and the START treaty leaves Russia the winner and America the loser.


30 posted on 12/23/2010 7:33:41 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Texas Fossil

When is Graham’s term up? Sounds like he’s feigning conservative for a coming reelection. I thought he came in in 2008, which would put his reelection date in 2014.

Maybe he’s putting a conservative cloak over his extremely liberal views on global warming/climate change. Or maybe he’s actually afraid of being “outed” and wants to appear as conservative as possible to counter his, ummmm, “orientation”.


31 posted on 12/23/2010 7:35:31 AM PST by meyer (Obama - the Schwartz is with him.)
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To: The Wizard

The repeal of DADT is an illusion. Political illusion.


32 posted on 12/23/2010 7:40:51 AM PST by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: South40

The DADT repeal was a big one. Damaging our military at any time is unacceptable”

There will be many ‘unintended consequenses;’ from DADT, I predict.

Who showers with who?
Who is billetted with who?
Who stands guard with who?
Who lives in base housing?
Who is “Married” to who & who gets frist draw at base housing?
What is taught in the base schools? “Heather Has Two Mommies”?????

I predict a serious rise in home schooling for military families.

I predict the next ‘demand’ will be Gay Pride parades on Armed Forces Day. What a country!!! We will be laughed at by every other country—even Tibet.

I predict a large number of military members do not re-up when their current time is up.

I predict that Special Forces-—Officers—& many well-trained others will leave the military, never to return.

That means the millions of dollars the USA has spent in giving them the finest training in the world will have been wasted. This also means the brain drain will further weaken our military, which IMO, is exactly what NObama wants.

Our military will be in further jeopardy in the Middle East, since being gay is really considered a death sentence there. Get caught by Al Queda? Good Luck.

The draft will have to be re-instated since the volunteers will not be military quality.

Bad enough that now 25% ++ of the volunteers cannot pass a simple exam to enter the military. (I took the Navy test in 1957 & got a 99% score)

Now, tell those macho gang bangers who are being sent to the military to try & straighten out their lives that they will be living with gays..... Not going to be pretty.

I am sure there will be even more Unintended Consequences beyond those I have listed here.


33 posted on 12/23/2010 7:53:44 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: jla
She mentioned in her first book a lesbian who is a friend of hers. (This might get her zotted if she were signed on at this site)

I have several homosexual friends, but unlike personnel stories sympathetic to homosexual behavior (Of those who were "zotted"), their underlining behavior should not be accepted/tolerated in society (Keep the bedroom stuff, in the bedroom).

My brother engaged in adultery and broke up a marriage, I still love the guy, but his behavior will never be accepted.

She, more than likely, takes a Christian approach to the subject,

What is the Christian approach? Is it rolling over, actively taking part of a decaying society, and crossing your fingers that Jesus will not punish the believer for being lukewarm while going along to get along in 21st century of "moral" self-indulgence ("Enlightenment")? "Fire breathers" will turn people off, but appeasers will comfort the eroding soul who keeps pushing for "acceptance" of Mortal sins (Not just homosexuality).
34 posted on 12/23/2010 7:53:53 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Steven Tyler
Well stated, if a homosexual can die for his Country, how can we deny that person Xxxxxxxx!

The repeal of DADT is not about Homosexuals serving in the Military

*****************************

What is it about?

35 posted on 12/23/2010 8:01:33 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: jla

Rex Ryan, is that you?


36 posted on 12/23/2010 8:03:14 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: The Wizard; PhilDragoo; devolve; Fiddlstix; potlatch; GeronL; y'all

Amen !!


37 posted on 12/23/2010 8:49:38 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: rlmorel; PhilDragoo; devolve

bump!


38 posted on 12/23/2010 8:55:35 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: Texas Fossil

Thanks. I’m glad to know that I was wrong.

Hopefully we can primary out some on your list as well as replace a few Democrats with good conservatives in ‘12.

The Democratic Party has been lost to communists and they’ve obviously made inroads into the GOP given what they’ve done during this lame duck.


39 posted on 12/23/2010 8:57:10 AM PST by Nickname
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To: All

You kids are being sold a bill of goods by the media that kisses obamas ass.....you won......

Don’t let anyone sell your victories short....you may not have kicked his ass the way we all want, but you prevented him from burying the country in deeper debt, you stopped him from starting to pay for obamycare and at the very least killed the NIGHTMARE act and cap and tax...

You have President Palin waiting in the wings to repeal the laws and the executive mandates, and rid America of the czars through legislation....

(All this crying about DADT....do any one you KNOW any gay people.....you act like they can’t fight...the gay folks I knew in NY were the most dangerous cats around.....turn the terrorists over to them for a week.....you might be pleasantly surprised if you give them a chance....besides.....do you people really believe there are no known gays in the military...are you that naive....)

You guys did great considering you had a cheater by the balls.

Be a little proud, back the new house and give them a chance to do their stuff.....you might be surprised....

Now Happy New Year and Merry Christmas


40 posted on 12/23/2010 1:55:43 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: trisham

If a homosexual can enlist and die for his Country, how can you deny him/her marriage to his/her soulmate.
.....how can you deny the right to adopt a baby
.....how can you deny anything else on the Homosexual bucket list of must have’s.

Homosexuals have fought in wars since the beginning of time, but they were seen as soldiers like the people beside them


41 posted on 12/23/2010 4:21:02 PM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: Steven Tyler; Jim Robinson; darkwing104

IBTZ


42 posted on 12/23/2010 6:46:28 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Alberta's Child

Actually, we don’t know that for sure yet. I don’t think the whole story is out.

On one level, as other posters have stated, the homosexual personality which is overly self-centered and geared towards personal gratification and impulsive action, is just one facet. This could have happened with a straight person, but...it is less likely.

DADT was effective, it did exactly what it was supposed to do. Even when I was in back in the Seventies before DADT, there was no such thing as anyone who even let on they were homosexual, even though everyone knows there were or must have been.

If two guys were caught slurping on each other on active duty, they would have been gone in a heartbeat, no questions asked. I don’t believe they would have even been kept around for Captain’s Mast. There wasn’t even an undercurrent of homosexuality.

Even the suspicion was damaging to morale, never mind anything more.


43 posted on 12/23/2010 8:51:46 PM PST by rlmorel ("If this doesn't light your fire, Men, the pilot light's out!"...Coach Ed Bolin)
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To: paulycy
The actual event:


44 posted on 12/23/2010 10:19:10 PM PST by skeptoid (The road to serfdom is being paved by RINOs, and Lisa Murkowski is their mascot.)
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