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Sachs: 'Victor Davis Hanson Has Done More Harm To American People' Than Any Other Commentator
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 12/23/2010 6:07:54 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

Jeffrey Sachs has attacked distinguished military historian Victor Davis Hanson as an "extremist" who "has done more harm to the American people" than any other commentator.

Sachs, a Columbia prof and income redistributionist supreme, launched his surprising verbal assault in commenting on Hanson's National Review Online column, "The Obamites' About-Face." Hanson there makes the case that out of political pragmatism, Obama has flip-flopped on everything from "the environment, radical Islam, taxes, stimulus, the economy, national security" to foreign policy.

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KEYWORDS: extremism; jeffreysachs; vdh; victordavishanson
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1 posted on 12/23/2010 6:08:04 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: netmilsmom; Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

Left-wing prof calls Victor Davis Hanson an “extremist” who has “done more harm to the American people” than any other commentator.


2 posted on 12/23/2010 6:09:32 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I've got a question for the income redistributionist: If that's what you really want, why do progressives tax income and not wealth?

Just curious.

3 posted on 12/23/2010 6:10:24 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, how's that Lockerbie bomber deal investigation coming along?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I treasure everything that Victor David Hanson writes. I agree with most of his opinions.


4 posted on 12/23/2010 6:10:57 AM PST by i_dont_chat ("The Jihadists are coming!" "The Jihadists are coming!" In my best Paul Revere imitation.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

It’s just so unbelievable that someone like Sachs, ostensibly with a high IQ (albeit wrong about everything), cannot think of an appropriate way to respond to an article he disagrees with other than hysterical ad hominem charges of this sort. It’s disgraceful.


5 posted on 12/23/2010 6:12:52 AM PST by babble-on
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Hanson is who is and Jeffrey Sachs is who he is, a nothing.


6 posted on 12/23/2010 6:13:32 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Party is shovel ready)
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To: babble-on
Well, if Sachs is so smart, why isn't he for taxing wealth instead of income? Surely they'd have more of other people's money to give away if they taxed wealth instead of income.

Gee, I wonder why they don't...

7 posted on 12/23/2010 6:14:57 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, how's that Lockerbie bomber deal investigation coming along?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Jeffrey “Ball” Sachs - must be the sharpest bulb in the tool shed.


8 posted on 12/23/2010 6:16:46 AM PST by snarkbait (<<For Rent>>)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; Deb
The Obamaites’ About-Face ... the 'offending' article.

VDH PING! What a Christmas present for Victor Davis Hanson. To be singled out by a Marxist professor as a Lib's "Worst Person in the World". What a tribute! VDH forever; Geoffrey 'Goldman' Sachs never.

9 posted on 12/23/2010 6:17:17 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
-Merry Christmas-

Keep up the good work!

10 posted on 12/23/2010 6:17:38 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

He looks like Dan Fielding. Except Dan was a lot smarter. It must suck for a guy like Sachs who can never think on his own. He will always be a colorless face in the lefty stable.

VDH is the absolute best. An educator that used to lean left, then grew up. And boy did he grow into a fine guy.


11 posted on 12/23/2010 6:17:44 AM PST by dforest
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To: TexasCajun

Thanks, TC: and Merry Christmas to you.


12 posted on 12/23/2010 6:18:53 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: mewzilla
Meanwhile....

Members of US Congress Get Richer Despite Sour Economy

13 posted on 12/23/2010 6:21:11 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, how's that Lockerbie bomber deal investigation coming along?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

That’s rich. VDH is evil and has done harm to us poor, unwashed idiots. We really should only listen to the wise, good-hearted sages in leftist academia. After all they only have our best interests at heart. [sigh] If only we idiots knew better.


14 posted on 12/23/2010 6:21:11 AM PST by opus86
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To: TexasCajun
VDH is brilliant.

Sachs is pissy because VDH frequently ridicules achedemia and their mindless liberalism. He knows of what he speaks, having spent much time at Stanford Univ among others.

Reading VDH is like a breath of sanity in a world gone mad.

15 posted on 12/23/2010 6:21:50 AM PST by Col Frank Slade
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To: Servant of the Cross; neverdem; Kaslin; Rashputin; Hojczyk; Rummyfan; rellimpank; ScottinVA; ...

VDH ping (if you haven’t seen already).


16 posted on 12/23/2010 6:22:51 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The prof is what I call a “Zen Liberal”.


17 posted on 12/23/2010 6:25:18 AM PST by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Sachs lives in New York City with his wife Sonia Ehrlich Sachs, a pediatrician. They have three children: Lisa, Adam, and Hannah Sachs

I wonder if his wife takes out tonsils just to rack up the bill? Did the Sachs family take any offense when Obama said that or did she stop taking out tonsils out of guilt?

BTW, I know pediatricians don't take out tonsils....

18 posted on 12/23/2010 6:26:10 AM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: mewzilla

Because the constitution doesn’t allow the federal government to tax wealth. Fortunately.


19 posted on 12/23/2010 6:28:06 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: mewzilla

BTW, that’s why we have an “inheritance tax”, and not an “estate tax”.

A tax on an estate would be a wealth tax, and the feds have no authority. A tax on “inheritance” is a type of income tax, which they can do under the 16th amendment.


20 posted on 12/23/2010 6:29:11 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Victor Davis Hanson - somebody.
Jeffrey Sach-munch - nobody.


21 posted on 12/23/2010 6:29:17 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: i_dont_chat
I treasure everything that Victor David Hanson writes.

I have no use for a crypto communist like Sachs. On the other hand, Hanson is a neo con, and one of those who argued us into the position we are in where we are overstreached and bankrupt. Dr. Hanson knows and knew far better than that because he wrote about the collapse of the Athenian empire when they became overstretched and started to defend the periphery, which they could not afford, thereby losing the core of their Empire and existence.

A lot of the time Dr. Hanson writes tellingly, but no competent scholar would make the egregious error that he made. We are going to be paying for Bush's escapades for several decades.

22 posted on 12/23/2010 6:29:27 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: CharlesWayneCT
“Because the constitution doesn’t allow the federal government to tax wealth. Fortunately.”

I think they figured out a way. They call it the death tax.

23 posted on 12/23/2010 6:30:46 AM PST by marktwain
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Because the constitution doesn’t allow the federal government to tax wealth. Fortunately.

That's not the reason.

24 posted on 12/23/2010 6:31:21 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, how's that Lockerbie bomber deal investigation coming along?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
That's still not the reason :)

There are 535 examples of why we don't go where the money is sitting right there on Capitol Hill.

25 posted on 12/23/2010 6:32:38 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, how's that Lockerbie bomber deal investigation coming along?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Have you ever has a chance to look through the financial disclosure form members of the House and Senate file?

If pols were taxed based on their wealth instead of the income, they might not be so eager to keep raising taxes.

26 posted on 12/23/2010 6:35:34 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, how's that Lockerbie bomber deal investigation coming along?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

How much longer before we take away this soft, nondemanding, wholly unproductive lifestyle from these no-talent Commie “professors”.

Their easy, safe and protected existence is largely provided on our backs after all.


27 posted on 12/23/2010 6:39:09 AM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: mewzilla
“I've got a question for the income redistributionist: If that's what you really want, why do progressives tax income and not wealth?”

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A very valid question.

Taxing wealth, while probably not totally fair (I'd have to think about it), is MUCH better than taxing income, even with a flat RATE scheme, which is usually mistakenly referred to as a “Flat Tax”.

28 posted on 12/23/2010 6:42:45 AM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Sachs is quite an screwball if he really thinks that telling the truth does harm.

Just my opinion of course.


29 posted on 12/23/2010 6:44:04 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Sachs is spelled wrong, I have it on good authority that it’s “u”, not an “a.”


30 posted on 12/23/2010 6:47:36 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Soros could have not have wreaked the havoc he did in Eastern Europe, without Jeffrey Sachs and his “shock therapy”. These cruel individuals continue to boast about it. What better example of Sachs than to witness him taking the good character of another - it’s what Marxists do in order to hide their own evil.


31 posted on 12/23/2010 6:50:38 AM PST by bronxville
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To: indylindy
VDH is the absolute best. An educator that used to lean left, then grew up. And boy did he grow into a fine guy.

And someone like VDH understands what passes for leftist thinking far better than anyone who has never been a liberal. That makes for very insightful commentary.

32 posted on 12/23/2010 6:51:05 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Like 0bama, Sachs is a stooge of George Soros.

Googling “Jeffrey Sachs” and “George Soros” pulls up a plethora of articles linking the two.


33 posted on 12/23/2010 6:52:48 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: mewzilla

They tax both.

Lots of areas & states also have ‘personal property taxes’ on everything they own.


34 posted on 12/23/2010 6:54:15 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: mewzilla

Because what they truly want is a feudalist system.
They don’t want anyone else accumulating wealth.


35 posted on 12/23/2010 6:55:11 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I’m a huge VDH fan, and I must say to Professor Hanson, You must be doing something right; you know you’re over the target when you’re taking flak.


36 posted on 12/23/2010 6:57:08 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: mewzilla

Which part of the American populace dreamed up “Trusts’ to be put into place instead of just plain wills?????

I want to know who will eventually have to pay the taxes that this generation of people with trusts are so fond of?

I have a neighbor who insists that he needed a trust because probate would drag out for tens of years on his estate!!!

The man has a small property with a 35 ++ year old manufactured home on it, 2 trucks which don’t total $15,000 in calue, a very old llama & a pasture pet horse.

His entire estate isn’t worth $30,000 & he tries to talk like he ‘had to get a trust’ & so should everybody else!!!


37 posted on 12/23/2010 6:59:06 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: mewzilla

The answer is easy if you go back to the book (Marx’s The Communist Manifesto)

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Marx takes care wealth in Rule 3
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.

Rule 4 is where they come for us.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.


38 posted on 12/23/2010 6:59:17 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: ridesthemiles

“Lots of areas & states also have ‘personal property taxes’ on everything they own.”

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Here in Missouri the thieving PP Tax is just on cars, boats and motorcycles I believe.

Do you mean there are some states that actually scour the entire personal balance sheet?


39 posted on 12/23/2010 6:59:40 AM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

A younger looking version of total Lefty Robert Redford.


40 posted on 12/23/2010 6:59:52 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: MrB

“They don’t want anyone else accumulating wealth.”

:Nodding in agreement: Taxing income keeps the strivers at bay — those noveau riche types who simply can’t be allowed in. Taxing wealth — now that would threaten the trust funds of “our sort of people.” Can’t have that...


41 posted on 12/23/2010 7:01:36 AM PST by Clioman
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Debate 101: The person who resorts to ad hominem attacks has little to support his argument.
42 posted on 12/23/2010 7:05:15 AM PST by neocon1984
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I guess that makes me an extremist too because I agree with about 99% of what VDH writes, and no other commentator today can hold a candle to him imho. VDH’s vast knowledge of the history of civilization, and his ability to apply the lessons of the past to our modern times is unparalleled.


43 posted on 12/23/2010 7:07:23 AM PST by milwguy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

You know that in junior high this guy heard “Sachs sucks!” all the time.


44 posted on 12/23/2010 7:09:21 AM PST by aruanan
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

He was visiting/speaking at NPS when I was out there and he is a JEWEL!!!!


45 posted on 12/23/2010 7:14:59 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

LOL - Flak ... target.


46 posted on 12/23/2010 7:17:50 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

So basically Sachs is saying that his tiny brain can’t even begin to engage VDH’s actual argument, leaving him with only the ability to make nasty, unsupported attacks on Hanson.


47 posted on 12/23/2010 7:22:06 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

And why is this guy important? The opinions of leftist professors is like the wind out of a duck’s behind.


48 posted on 12/23/2010 7:24:16 AM PST by popdonnelly (Class warfare is Obama's thing.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
VDH: Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise to Western Power

Outstanding!

49 posted on 12/23/2010 7:35:20 AM PST by onedoug
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To: CharlesWayneCT
>> we have an “inheritance tax”, and not an “estate tax” <<

Sorry to disagree, but you're wrong -- at least as concerns federal taxes:

When a U.S. person dies, the executor of the deceased's estate pays a federal tax. The heirs pay nothing. In computing the federal tax, neither the IRS nor the executor takes into account the wealth or income of any heir.

The next step is that the heirs or "beneficiaries" will be allowed to share whatever is left over, according either (A) to the deceased's will, or (B) in the absence of a will, according to per stirpes rules in the state or other jurisdiction where the deceased resided.

Now here's the crucial point of distinction between the federal estate tax and an inheritance tax:

Under federal law, the heirs don't owe any tax on what they get. An heir can be the richest person in the USA or the poorest. It makes no difference. Either way, he pays nothing. On the other hand, if we had a federal inheritance tax, then the heirs could be taxed directly -- perhaps on an equal percentage basis, on a "progressive taxation" basis, or even on a per capita basis.

To be sure, in some countries the legal system uses the term "inheritance tax" to refer to what actually is an estate tax. Also, it's certainly common for lay people in the USA to use the terms "estate tax" and "inheritance tax" interchangeably and incorrectly. In other words, confusion is rife.

Finally, there are some states of the USA that levy "inheritance taxes" on heirs -- taxes that are computed after the federal tax has taken its bite from an estate. So if you're a putative heir who lives in one of these states, and if you have a very rich bachelor uncle who's in his nineties, move to Texas or Florida while you still have time!

50 posted on 12/23/2010 7:46:47 AM PST by Hawthorn
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