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Is Pollard Caspar Weinberger's Revenge on the Jews?
IsraeliNationalNews Arutz Sheva ^ | Dec 23, 2010 | Prof. Phyllis Chesler

Posted on 12/23/2010 8:33:25 AM PST by TPOOH

Why is this man still in jail? Why was this man forced to spend seven years in solitary? Why is still confined, languishing, festering in jail for a total of twenty five years?

Solitary confinement is the most barbaric of punishments. Few people can withstand this form of torture without becoming very ill, both physically and mentally.

Am I talking about the Soviet Gulag? Or about some hell-hole in Afghanistan or Iran?

Last year, The New Yorker ran a piece about solitary confinement. The article concludes that this punishment amounts to torture, that it can even induce “acute psychosis with hallucinations.” The article describes the cases of two political prisoners or prisoners-of-war: AP’s Middle East correspondent, Terry Anderson, who was put into solitary by Hezbollah in Lebanon for six years. Anderson “felt himself disintegrating”; his mind went blank; he had hallucinations; he started to become “neurotically possessive about his little space”; he felt his brain was “grinding down.” He also describes Senator John McCain who said -----------

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People have done a lot worse. Look at Barry.
1 posted on 12/23/2010 8:33:27 AM PST by TPOOH
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To: TPOOH

He’s a traitor to the United States and he can rot right there.


2 posted on 12/23/2010 8:37:32 AM PST by nina0113
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To: TPOOH

I think the last jew to be put in genpop was Irv Rubin and he committed suicide by launching himself off the upper level onto the floor below at least a 20ft headfirst dive. It was such an ugly scene that an officer described it on one of those NatGeo “locked Up” shows as the worst thing he has witnessed in 20 years. So careful what you wish for this holiday season, which seems to be when the Pollard is a hero threads get posted.


3 posted on 12/23/2010 8:38:01 AM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: TPOOH

He committed espionage.

It doesn’t matter if he did it for altruistic reasons (i.e. - he wanted to help Israel).

He was in a position of responsibility and chose to betray his nation.

The only reason he’s not doing life in prison (like Aldrich Ames and Richard Hanssen) is because Israel was an ally and the secrets he revealed didn’t rise to level of those Hanssen and Ames gave away.


4 posted on 12/23/2010 8:39:05 AM PST by MplsSteve (Governor Mark Dayton? That's so incredibly alarming, don't you think?)
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To: TPOOH

Pollard should have been executed.

If for no other reason than were the tratorous bachelor’s child dead, we would not have whining articles about ‘poor, ickle, Pollard’ befouling the Internet.

Execute him now - spare my gag reflex.


5 posted on 12/23/2010 8:39:30 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: junta

FTR I don’t think Irv deserved to die, and placing him in San Quentin’s genpop was tatamount to a death sentence.


6 posted on 12/23/2010 8:39:40 AM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: TPOOH

Pollard got US spies killed

All for a few bucks

He is lucky he is still breathing

This is a game too folks, you HAVE TO show that if you are caught spying it will not be good. You also have to do everything possible (on the other side) to retrieve your caught spies- otherwise no one will be willing to do that kind of work.

Real spies KNOW this and have to be willig to sacrifice their lives for their country. This is why countries willingly ‘trade’ captured spies. they are both anctious to find out what was given over to the other side. Very complex game.

Slimy weasels selling out their countryman for a few buck don’t know this and suffer- and the more the better, I say.

Did you enjoy those fancy vacations and nice home Pollard? Were you happy living there knowing some one may have been tortured to death thanks to you? I hope you rot.


7 posted on 12/23/2010 8:41:40 AM PST by Mr. K ('Profiling' you is worse than grabbing your balls)
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To: TPOOH

“Terry Anderson, who was put into solitary by Hezbollah in Lebanon for six years. Anderson “felt himself disintegrating”; “

So they are comparing a man who woke up every day wondering if someone would shove a camera in his face and chop his head off to a man that is essentially living at a Motel 6 with every need provided for him including cable tv, three squares a day and a doctor on call 24 hours a day?


8 posted on 12/23/2010 8:42:01 AM PST by Cyman
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To: TPOOH

“Why is this man still in jail?”

Because he wasn’t executed.


9 posted on 12/23/2010 8:43:20 AM PST by Elwood P. Doud (America, you voted for a negro socialist with an Islamic name - so why act surprised?)
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To: TPOOH

Sympathy card does not seem to have been effective.


10 posted on 12/23/2010 8:59:07 AM PST by verity
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To: TPOOH

Some people hate all spies (except Nathan Hale of course), and insist that all spies should be executed.

Other people confuse spies with traitors (they’ve never read the US Constitution it seems).

Other people still buy Aldrich Ames cover story that Caspar Weinberger fed to the judge in the Pollard case.

Other people hate Jews.

Other people hate Israel because of the 1967 Liberty accident (which they insist was no accident).

Other people say they like Israel, but resent its “control over Congress”.

Other people are covert Muslims (I wonder who?).

Add them all up, and Pollard has drawn the short straw. He’s the whipping boy for all of the above, and some I may have overlooked.


11 posted on 12/23/2010 8:59:44 AM PST by devere
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To: junta
Well the majority of American Jews, Kennedy Catholics, African Americans and other assorted gave us Hussein who has caused more damage than slime Pollard. Pollard can rot along with other spies.

Like other spies - Pollard took money and gifts. This - “he did it for Israel” argument is BS.

12 posted on 12/23/2010 9:05:35 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: nina0113

Everytime I read one of these articles (and I just started noticing them 10 years or so ago), Pollard’s health is “poor and declining”. He is a tough old bird if he is still around after repeatedly declining so much.


13 posted on 12/23/2010 9:09:04 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Elwood P. Doud

Q. “Why is this man still in jail?” Ans. Because he wasn’t executed.

Not really. Pollard is held in isolation as a lesson to Israel not to spy against your best friend and ally (America). I remember that Israeli agents actually ran and paid Pollard and his wife. The Israeli guilt must be agonizing for them to have to watch their agent be so tormented.


14 posted on 12/23/2010 9:12:55 AM PST by Rapscallion (Will history judge that Obama and Soros destroyed our America?)
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To: junta

Irv Rubin was set up like a bowling pin. Did a year in solitary and died the day of his hearing. The jailers said he ‘cut his own throat’ then he jumped off a balcony.

Right.

Oh, and by the way, I am one of those who believe that Pollard has done enough time. They should let him go.


15 posted on 12/23/2010 9:20:22 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Rapscallion

Not quite. The lesson here is, “Don’t get caught.” And the reason Pollard is still in prison is the Israelis haven’t offered us anything (or anyone) we’re willing to trade him for. He’s a chip on the table, nothing more.


16 posted on 12/23/2010 9:41:22 AM PST by Mountain Troll (My investment plan - Canned food and shotguns)
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One thing Pollard apologist don’t address is that even after Pollard was in prison, he kept on trying to release classified information.

“In 1993 Secretary of Defense Les Aspin reported that Pollard had tried 14 times to disclose classified information in letters written to various recipients from his prison cell. The letters were monitored by prison authorities, who presumably excised classified material that Mr. Pollard included from memory after years in prison.”


17 posted on 12/23/2010 9:45:03 AM PST by WaterBoard
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To: WaterBoard

Pollard is a hero to the left and there is a reason why. Pollard also spied for Communist China in addition to Israel.

“Just because Pollard started off spying for Israel, and most Jews think Pollard was spying only for Israel, a new report from the Department of Defense, “Changes in Espionage by Americans: 1947-2007,” lists China, on Page 108, as a beneficiary, alongside Israel, of Pollard’s espionage.

Are Pollard’s defenders now going to say that spying for China is spying “for a friend,” a harmless Zionist prank? Israel has interests, and apparently those interests included sharing U.S. defense secrets, stolen by Pollard, with China.”

Proof: Look at page 108 of this PDF file - http://www.fas.org/sgp/library/changes.pdf


18 posted on 12/23/2010 9:49:42 AM PST by WaterBoard
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To: TPOOH

Why is he in jail?

Because that’s what happens to spys.


19 posted on 12/23/2010 9:50:06 AM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Nachum
The Jews deserve a lot of credit for being well organized, having great access to the media, and doing a nice job on this well orchestrated campaign to free Pollard. Is he really the least guilty prisoner in America's prisons? The most over-punished? I doubt it.

Yesterday Pamella Geller (she of the anti-Islam site “Atlas Shrugs”) suggested we all call the White House several times a day on Pollard's behalf. Really?

It seems to me you almost have to be Jewish to interpret this as such a colossal ‘wrong’ that it deserves that level of attention.

There are, we know, actual innocent men and women in America's prisons. (Not all who claim to be, to be sure, but some.) The Innocence Project has a pretty good track record of identifying those who have really fallen through the cracks in the system and deserve reprieve.

Here is one of their recent cases:

Walter Swift
Incident Date: 09/02/1984

Jurisdiction: MI

Charge: 1st degree criminal sexual conduct, robbery

Conviction:1st degree criminal sexual conduct, robbery

Sentence: 20-40 Years
Conviction Date: 11/10/82

Exoneration Date: 5/21/08

Sentence Served: 25.5 Years

Real perpetrator found?No

Contributing Causes: Eyewitness Misidentification, Unvalidated or Improper Forensic Science, Government Misconduct, Bad Lawyering

Compensation? Not Yet

Walter Swift served 26 years in Michigan prisons for rape before evidence of his innocence led to his exoneration and release in 2008. He was wrongfully convicted based in part on a highly questionable eyewitness identification and incomplete forensic testimony.

The Crime
On September 2, 1982, a woman was playing with her seven-month-old son in her Detroit home when an intruder grabbed her from behind. He dragged her to her upstairs bedroom, where he removed her clothing and raped her. He allowed her to cover herself with a robe before leading her downstairs to locate her purse. He took $60 from her purse, as well as her wedding band and another $100 in cash from the house. The perpetrator raped the victim again on a rug on the first floor. He then told the victim to close her eyes and fled.

The Investigation
When police arrived at the victim's house, they collected the robe she was wearing and the sheet from her bed. She was taken to a local hospital, where a rape kit was collected. The victim described the perpetrator as a clean-shaven African-American man between 15 and 18 years old, about 5'10’’ tall, with an unusual hairstyle with very small braids.

Eight days after the crime, the investigating officer, Janice Paavola, showed the victim several hundred photos of black men between 15 and 25 years old. The victim selected seven photos based on various characteristics in common with the perpetrator. At this time, Paavola decided that the person in the next photo the victim chose would be included in a live lineup. Walter Swift's photo happened to be the eighth she chose, saying his eyes were similar to those of the perpetrator. Paavola wrote in a 2003 affidavit that the victim did not say Swift was the perpetrator and didn't place any emphasis on his photo compared to the other seven photos. The officer “was confident that she would not identify Mr. Swift as the perpetrator in the lineup.”

Officers learned that Swift did not have braids, had a mustache and had a black eye at the time of the crime. Despite these inconsistencies, the lineup was conducted a few days later. Swift and four other men participated; they ranged in age from 20 to 34 and ranged widely in height and build. The officer told the victim that the man whose photo she chose would be included. The victim tentatively selected Swift, saying “I believe it is number 2.” In her 2003 affidavit, the officer said she did not consider this a positive identification and scheduled a polygraph test for Swift to further investigate his possible role in the crime.

Paavola scheduled the polygraph examination, but would soon learn that it had been cancelled by a sergeant and a warrant had been issued for Swift's arrest. The sergeant told Paavola that “Mr. Swift may not have done this crime but [the sergeant] was sure that he did some crime before and had gotten away with it.” Based almost exclusively on the victim's questionable identification, Swift was charged with sexual assault and robbery.

The Trial and Forensic Evidence
Swift was tried before a jury in Detroit two months later. He was represented by a court-appointed attorney.

The state's case focused on the victim's identification of Swift and presented an incomplete account of how the victim identified him. Most critically, during trial, the jury was led to believe that the victim was shown hundreds of photographs at the police station of men who fit her description of the perpetrator, that she selected only Walter Swift's photo out of that photo array, and that she later confirmed the selection in a live lineup. As a result of suppression by state witnesses, and defense counsel's failure to investigate, the jury never learned that the victim selected the photographs of seven other men as well and only identified Swift as the perpetrator after a highly tainted lineup.

Strong biological evidence of Swift's innocence that existed before trial was also never presented to the jury. Prior to trial, defense counsel was provided with a report showing that Swift was a secretor (an individual whose blood group is evident from bodily fluids like semen and saliva) and that testing on semen stains from the robe and the sheet indicated that the semen stains may have been deposited by a non-secretor. Prosecutors called one of the two forensic analysts who conducted tests in the case. The analyst testified that semen was detected on the victim's robe and sheet, but that he did know whether the person who deposited the semen was a secretor. He said that the other analyst on the case had knowledge of this result. The defense did not cross-examine the analyst presented at trial, and waived the testimony of the other analyst entirely.

Swift's attorney, however, was not solely responsible for the failure to provide the jury with complete information about the forensic analysis. A second version of the lab report, which included additional lab results, was withheld by the police and never released to the prosecution or defense. The updated report provided further evidence that the source of the semen was likely a non-secretor and therefore unlikely to have been Walter Swift.

Swift's defense consisted mainly of an alibi. His girlfriend at the time testified that he was with her when the crime occurred. Swift's defense attorney, Lawrence R. Greene, failed to reveal serious flaws in the identification procedure, declined to cross-examine the forensic analyst who testified and did not call the other analyst as a witness. The attorney has been suspended from practicing law several times in the last decade based on misconduct and inadequate representation in other cases and his license was eventually revoked in Michigan.

After a two-day trial, Swift was convicted. Before his sentencing, Officer Paavola visited the judge to explain that she thought he had been wrongfully convicted. Later the same week, Paavola was transferred from the Sex Crimes Unit to patrol duty. Swift was sentenced to 20 to 40 years in prison.

Post-Conviction Appeals and Exoneration
The Innocence Project accepted Swift's case in 1998 and began requesting searches for the biological evidence in the case. Although all evidence in the case had been lost or destroyed, the investigation began to uncover solid evidence of Swift's innocence. In addition to staff attorneys and clinic students at the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, a student from Ireland named Niamh Gunn was assigned to work on the case in 2003, and she would play a significant role in Swift's exoneration.

Gunn won a competition at her college in Ireland to work at the Innocence Project in the summer of 2003; she extended her stay as she became more involved in Swift's case and continued to work on his case for five years after returning to Ireland. In part because of her efforts, the police officer and lab analyst who worked on the case before Swift's trial supported his quest for exoneration.

The cooperation that brought about Swift's exoneration was unprecedented. The prosecutor who originally convicted him and Janice Paavola, the former police officer who testified at his trial, filed affidavits in support of vacating his conviction. The Innocence Project presented all of the evidence it had developed in the case to Wayne County Prosecuting Attorney Kym Worthy, whose office investigated the case thoroughly. Worthy's office joined the Innocence Project on May 21, 2008, in asking a Michigan judge to vacate Swift's conviction and dismiss the indictment. He was freed that afternoon after 26 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit.

People who are considering spending time on the Pollard case might better persue some of the cases highlighted at the above web site, and spend time on them.

20 posted on 12/23/2010 9:52:46 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Elwood P. Doud

And he doesn’t have the remorse, or decency to off himself.


21 posted on 12/23/2010 9:54:43 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: TPOOH

The dude should be thankful he didn’t get what he deserved....the death penalty.


22 posted on 12/23/2010 10:09:09 AM PST by kenmcg (jUS)
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To: Mr. K

“Pollard got US spies killed”

That’s actually not true. That was Ames.

Pollard gave US intel on Israeli enemie that the US had not shared with Israel, which Israel used to kill terrorists that our State Department was coddling.

Which is pretty cool, but still illegal.

Pollard needs to rot in jail for the rest of his life, but he also needs a medal.


23 posted on 12/23/2010 10:28:42 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: WaterBoard

“Pollard also spied for Communist China”

Ah, I did not know that. That changes a lot.


24 posted on 12/23/2010 10:30:26 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TPOOH

I am perfectly OK with giving him Bradley Manning as his cellie/prison bitch.


25 posted on 12/23/2010 10:42:39 AM PST by LouD ("against all enemies, foreign and domestic...")
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To: devere

Confusing spies with traitors?

If you betray this country, you are a traitor. Traitors deserve death.


26 posted on 12/23/2010 10:46:33 AM PST by LouD ("against all enemies, foreign and domestic...")
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To: TPOOH

Bunch of morons chiming in to defend Pollard.

I’m calling IBTZ, just in case.


27 posted on 12/23/2010 10:47:57 AM PST by PLMerite (Fix the FR clock. It's time.)
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To: Mr. K

“Pollard got US spies killed”

I don’t think there’s any proof for this and, in fact, some good reasons to think that it’s not true and that it was Aldrich Ames who got our guys killed.

Do you have a source for the allegation?


28 posted on 12/23/2010 10:55:39 AM PST by JewishRighter ( Multiculturalism is killing us.)
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To: LouD

I suggest that you study article 3 section 3 of the US constitution.

Not all traitors are spies, and not all spies are traitors, a fact that some people seem to have difficulty understanding.

Pollard was convicted of spying for a friendly country, but was then accused of being a traitor in a sentencing memorandum written by spy and traitor Aldrich Ames and conveyed to the judge by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.


29 posted on 12/23/2010 10:59:17 AM PST by devere
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To: Mr. K

BTW, there is a huge qualitative difference between espionage that costs lives and espionage that doesn’t, IMHO, which goes to the reasonableness of the sentence.

By comparison to any espionage case, Pollard has received much harsher treatment, starting with the government breaking its plea agreement with him through the conditions and length of his confinement.

No. I’m not saying he’s a hero, a patriot or whatever. I’m not saying what he did was right. On the contrary, what he did was very wrong. But his punishment has been way out of proportion to the crime.


30 posted on 12/23/2010 11:02:08 AM PST by JewishRighter ( Multiculturalism is killing us.)
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To: Nachum
They should let him go.

As long as he goes through a trap door with a rope around his neck I'm fine with it.

31 posted on 12/23/2010 11:02:40 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: JewishRighter
starting with the government breaking its plea agreement

Pollard broke it, not the government. His wife went on TV whining about the entire affair after they'd promised, as a condition of the plea agreement, not to speak publicly about the case.

32 posted on 12/23/2010 11:04:12 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: PLMerite

Rather than engage in ad hominem attack, why not respond with a reasoned argument against the points people are making?

For example, if his punishment is way out of proportion by any comparison to other espionage cases, why is that not a fair reason to advocate for clemency after 25 years?

If it turns out he was blamed for things he didn’t do, such as turning over information that caused the death of American spies, why is that not a fair reason to consider clemency?

Again, so you don’t feel compelled to call me a moron, I am not saying Pollard is a good guy, a hero, a patriot or someone who did not deserve to be punished. I’m just saying, there is a punishment that fits the crime and Pollard has paid that price with interest.


33 posted on 12/23/2010 11:08:02 AM PST by JewishRighter ( Multiculturalism is killing us.)
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To: junta

Pollard is a hero to Israel that fights Islamic Jihad every day. So given your insulting remark I rate him a better man than you. I read the whole article before commenting. Did you?


34 posted on 12/23/2010 11:08:38 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: Lurker
Source? On the point of who broke the deal, I suggest you review the dissent in the original appeal of the sentence by judge Steven Williams, beginning with:

"I agree with the majority that the "plea wiring" was not an unlawful coercion of Pollard's guilty plea and that Chief Judge Robinson did not abuse his discretion in refusing to recuse himself or to conduct a hearing into the claim of ex parte contacts. But because the government's breach of the plea agreement was a fundamental miscarriage of justice requiring relief under 28 U.S.C. § 2255, I dissent.

Neither his dissent nor the majority opinion recite any facts about Pollard breaking the agreement or Mrs. Pollard's public statements violating any plea agreement.

35 posted on 12/23/2010 11:21:50 AM PST by JewishRighter ( Multiculturalism is killing us.)
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To: MplsSteve; TPOOH
The only reason he’s not doing life in prison (like Aldrich Ames and Richard Hanssen) is because Israel was an ally and the secrets he revealed didn’t rise to level of those Hanssen and Ames gave away.

I'm not sure the latter statement is true. Pollard gave away a vast volume of classified documents. I've heard that these included the very top secrets of signals intelligence. Probably it can't even be stated what he stole. Evidently the people who know think that it is so serious that he should not be freed even if it helps achieve peace in the Middle East.

Also it's not clear that Pollard was acting altruistically (as if that would be an excuse). IIRC he was selling documents to other countries such as South Africa and he was paid by Israel.

Also the fact that Israel is an "ally" is not that relevant since once they had all our secrets they traded them to other countries such as the Soviet Union to achieve their own interests, which are not always the same as ours. No matter what Pollard's motives, he grievously harmed the United States.

One of the reasons that there is so much pressure from Israel to free him is that Israel wants to send a signal to all their potential spies that they will never be abandoned. Also this seems to have become a domestic political issue in Israel. But the US should be concerned about about the message we are sending to potential traitors and spies.

36 posted on 12/23/2010 11:25:21 AM PST by wideminded
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To: JewishRighter
Here's what Pollard himself had to say at his sentencing:

Pollard stated that while his motives "may have been well meaning, they cannot, under any stretch of the imagination, excuse or justify the violation of the law, particularly one that involves the trust of government... I broke trust, ruined and brought disgrace to my family."[28] He admitted and apologized for taking money from the Israeli government in exchange for classified information.[28]

He also blabbed to Wolf Blitzer:

Three weeks before Pollard's sentencing, Wolf Blitzer, at the time a Jerusalem Post correspondent, conducted a jail-cell interview with Pollard and penned an article which also ran in The Washington Post headlined, "Pollard: Not A Bumbler, but Israel's Master Spy." published on February 15, 1987.[26] Pollard told Blitzer about some of the information he provided the Israelis: reconnaissance satellite photography of Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) headquarters in Tunisia, specific capabilities of Libya's air defenses, and "the pick of U.S. intelligence about Arab and Islamic conventional and unconventional military activity, from Morocco to Pakistan and every country in between. This included both 'friendly' and 'unfriendly' Arab countries." Some commentators identified this interview as a blatant violation of the plea agreement.[27]

I agree that Pollard shouldn't be in prison. He should already be dead.

37 posted on 12/23/2010 11:30:10 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

“Some commentators identified this interview as a blatant violation of the plea agreement.[27]”

I guess your quote of otherwise irrelevant information was to get to the quote above. Is the fact that he admitted taking money and apologizing for it supposed to support your point?

Some commentators did not include the prosecution which did not argue that point on appeal and the judges who heard the appeal and made no mention of it. Hmmmmmm.

I’m still waiting for a source for the accusation that Pollard broke the plea deal, which is why he should die in your opinion.


38 posted on 12/23/2010 11:38:10 AM PST by JewishRighter ( Multiculturalism is killing us.)
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To: JewishRighter
I’m still waiting for a source for the accusation that Pollard broke the plea deal,

I just gave it to you old chap. The fact the Judge didn't cite it means nothing.

Some commentators did not include the prosecution which did not argue that point on appeal and the judges who heard the appeal and made no mention of it.

Which means they feel that the sentence fits the crime regardless of whether or not he broke the deal. Hummmm.

Pollard has been free to file for parole after serving 8 years but hasn't. Hmmmmmm.

Pollard has appealed his conviction all the way to SCOTUS and has been denied every single time. Hmmmmmmm.

He committed Espionage and sold our country out for a handful of Judas gold. He sold Classified material not only to the Israeli government but at least 3 other Governments. He admitted it in open court.

Screw Pollard. Let him rot.

39 posted on 12/23/2010 11:47:22 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

One note for accuracy: the government did make a claim that Pollard breached his agreement in his interview with Wolf Blitzer, then a Jerusalem Post correspondent. But this claim was “mentioned” in “extensive presentencing submissions” the government made to the court. (quotes from the decision.

It does not appear that the issue was the basis for the ruling by the trial court and it was not a factor in the decision on appeal.


40 posted on 12/23/2010 11:49:14 AM PST by JewishRighter ( Multiculturalism is killing us.)
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To: TPOOH

Pollard is a Rorschach test.

He sold some classified US intelligence to Israel. He aided Israel in fighting Israel’s and America’s enemies.

He violated US laws and he was rightfully convicted.

But he has been punished way above what he- and anyone similarly situated- deserved.

Weinberger- ashamed of his Jewish roots- railroaded Pollard. Pollard, in helping Israel, aided American aims. Saved American lives in Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom.

Pollard has served a sufficient time.

He didn’t harm the US.

Any decent person- and that excludes vicious anti Semites- know he has been imprisoned enough.


41 posted on 12/23/2010 12:01:39 PM PST by HearMe
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To: devere

There is no such thing as “spying for a friendly country” - Spying is spying.

I am a sympathetic to Israel as anyone, but they are not any more entitled to classified information as anyone.

Rick Ames is a traitor. Pollard is also a traitor.


42 posted on 12/23/2010 12:06:47 PM PST by LouD ("against all enemies, foreign and domestic...")
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To: Lurker

My, my. You do seem to have “issues”.

You need to use snark because you haven’t got an argument, just self-righteous puffery.

Let me try (the eternal optimist I am) to get you straigthened out. We are not discussing the issue of all the past litigation. We are talking about whether a clemency request should be granted at this time. You stated that he doesn’t deserve it, but should rather die, in part because he broke the plea deal, which justified the original sentencing and continues to justify no mercy.

I asked you to provide a source for the point that he was sentence so harshly because he broke his plea deal and you’re still batting .000 on that one.

Snark away.


43 posted on 12/23/2010 12:08:01 PM PST by JewishRighter ( Multiculturalism is killing us.)
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To: LouD

Actually the US Constitution defines treason.

Assuming you believe in the US Constitution- Pollard in not guilty of treason.


44 posted on 12/23/2010 12:12:04 PM PST by HearMe
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To: JewishRighter
You need to use snark because you haven’t got an argument, just self-righteous puffery.

Actually I posted links with citations.

. We are talking about whether a clemency request should be granted at this time.

It shouldn't be. He was sentenced to life. That's what he should serve.

L

45 posted on 12/23/2010 12:16:52 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: JewishRighter

““Pollard got US spies killed”
“I don’t think there’s any proof for this and, in fact, some good reasons to think that it’s not true and that it was Aldrich Ames who got our guys killed.”
“Do you have a source for the allegation?”

The source of the allegation is of course Aldrich Ames.

It stands to reason that a country that could elect Obama POTUS might screw up a lot of other things too. Pollard’s life sentence is probably one of the smaller items.


46 posted on 12/23/2010 12:17:32 PM PST by devere
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To: HearMe
Actually, the U.S. Constitution does define treason. What it does not define is enemy.

The criteria used by the intelligence community is placing classified information outside U.S. control. Once outside U.S. control, it is effectively compromised. Pollard provided information to Israel, who could have bartered it to China or the Soviet Union.

It was not for some junior analyst to decide our intelligence collaboration with a foreign country. Pollard's attempt to do so was treason.

47 posted on 12/23/2010 12:27:56 PM PST by LouD ("against all enemies, foreign and domestic...")
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To: Mr. K
Pollard got US spies killed

Pollard was a Naval analyst. He didn't have access for who were US spies in the Soviet Union.

Pollard was blamed for the betrayal of Aldrich Ames and others.

Are you so wedded to your prejudices that truth would not modify your opinion?

48 posted on 12/23/2010 12:28:09 PM PST by HearMe
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To: LouD

You can fantasize all you want, but Pollard did not commit Treason- and most important, he was not convicted of any treasonous act against the US.

Conservatives- who venerate the Constitution- or should- should understand that they can not fantasize or pretend to write new criteria into the written word.

Pollard spied. He was not a traitor in any way.


49 posted on 12/23/2010 12:35:00 PM PST by HearMe
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To: LouD

You can fantasize all you want, but Pollard did not commit Treason- and most important, he was not convicted of any treasonous act against the US.

Conservatives- who venerate the Constitution- or should- should understand that they can not fantasize or pretend to write new criteria into the written word.

Pollard spied. He was not a traitor in any way.


50 posted on 12/23/2010 12:35:11 PM PST by HearMe
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