Posted on 12/23/2010 8:33:25 AM PST by TPOOH
Why is this man still in jail? Why was this man forced to spend seven years in solitary? Why is still confined, languishing, festering in jail for a total of twenty five years?
Solitary confinement is the most barbaric of punishments. Few people can withstand this form of torture without becoming very ill, both physically and mentally.
Am I talking about the Soviet Gulag? Or about some hell-hole in Afghanistan or Iran?
Last year, The New Yorker ran a piece about solitary confinement. The article concludes that this punishment amounts to torture, that it can even induce “acute psychosis with hallucinations.” The article describes the cases of two political prisoners or prisoners-of-war: AP’s Middle East correspondent, Terry Anderson, who was put into solitary by Hezbollah in Lebanon for six years. Anderson “felt himself disintegrating”; his mind went blank; he had hallucinations; he started to become “neurotically possessive about his little space”; he felt his brain was “grinding down.” He also describes Senator John McCain who said -----------
(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...
Pollard is a Rorschach test.
He sold some classified US intelligence to Israel. He aided Israel in fighting Israel’s and America’s enemies.
He violated US laws and he was rightfully convicted.
But he has been punished way above what he- and anyone similarly situated- deserved.
Weinberger- ashamed of his Jewish roots- railroaded Pollard. Pollard, in helping Israel, aided American aims. Saved American lives in Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom.
Pollard has served a sufficient time.
He didn’t harm the US.
Any decent person- and that excludes vicious anti Semites- know he has been imprisoned enough.
There is no such thing as “spying for a friendly country” - Spying is spying.
I am a sympathetic to Israel as anyone, but they are not any more entitled to classified information as anyone.
Rick Ames is a traitor. Pollard is also a traitor.
My, my. You do seem to have “issues”.
You need to use snark because you haven’t got an argument, just self-righteous puffery.
Let me try (the eternal optimist I am) to get you straigthened out. We are not discussing the issue of all the past litigation. We are talking about whether a clemency request should be granted at this time. You stated that he doesn’t deserve it, but should rather die, in part because he broke the plea deal, which justified the original sentencing and continues to justify no mercy.
I asked you to provide a source for the point that he was sentence so harshly because he broke his plea deal and you’re still batting .000 on that one.
Snark away.
Actually the US Constitution defines treason.
Assuming you believe in the US Constitution- Pollard in not guilty of treason.
Actually I posted links with citations.
. We are talking about whether a clemency request should be granted at this time.
It shouldn't be. He was sentenced to life. That's what he should serve.
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““Pollard got US spies killed”
“I don’t think there’s any proof for this and, in fact, some good reasons to think that it’s not true and that it was Aldrich Ames who got our guys killed.”
“Do you have a source for the allegation?”
The source of the allegation is of course Aldrich Ames.
It stands to reason that a country that could elect Obama POTUS might screw up a lot of other things too. Pollard’s life sentence is probably one of the smaller items.
The criteria used by the intelligence community is placing classified information outside U.S. control. Once outside U.S. control, it is effectively compromised. Pollard provided information to Israel, who could have bartered it to China or the Soviet Union.
It was not for some junior analyst to decide our intelligence collaboration with a foreign country. Pollard's attempt to do so was treason.
Pollard was a Naval analyst. He didn't have access for who were US spies in the Soviet Union.
Pollard was blamed for the betrayal of Aldrich Ames and others.
Are you so wedded to your prejudices that truth would not modify your opinion?
You can fantasize all you want, but Pollard did not commit Treason- and most important, he was not convicted of any treasonous act against the US.
Conservatives- who venerate the Constitution- or should- should understand that they can not fantasize or pretend to write new criteria into the written word.
Pollard spied. He was not a traitor in any way.
You can fantasize all you want, but Pollard did not commit Treason- and most important, he was not convicted of any treasonous act against the US.
Conservatives- who venerate the Constitution- or should- should understand that they can not fantasize or pretend to write new criteria into the written word.
Pollard spied. He was not a traitor in any way.
You're a troll, n00b. Kiss off.
“Pollard got US spies killed”
“I don’t think there’s any proof for this”
Sure, there is plenty of proof. It just not convenient to belief when you let religion get in the way of being an American first.
Don’t take my word for it. How about people with first hand knowledge.
“David Luchins, an aide to Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, announced to reporters that he had seen “secret documents confirming that Pollard’s spying had resulted in the loss of lives of U.S. intelligence agents.”
So I guess you scrubbed the Pollard thread from last night because more than one side was contributing to the “flamewar?”
So I guess you scrubbed the Pollard thread from last night because more than one side was contributing to the “flamewar?”
http://www.jonathanpollard.org/Truth is the first casualty.
Aldrich Ames in Pete Earley's book spies for the Russians.
Clinton saw to it that China received our missile secrets.
Wen Ho Lee was protected by Bill Richardson, who was Obama's first choice for Commerce.
Saudis took down the towers, and are rewarded with an historic arms deal.
While the two-minute hate resounds on the extant topic, Iranian missiles and Russian tanks find their way to Hugo Chavez.
I found out how our State Department works a couple of years ago.
A person in Iran sought sanctuary, having become a target of the IRGC for efforts on behalf of our CentComm.
In four days of calls, faxes and emails I discovered our State Department has more sympathy for the Islamic Republic than for America.
Too bad what happened to a couple of Iran nuclear scientists.
Man, that traffic is murder.
Really?
Stating facts makes me a troll?
If so I wear the badge proudly.
You are an anti Semitic POS? Ok?
His motivations may have been, in part, his allegiance to Israel.
But he also wanted (and accepted) MONEY for those valuable secrets.
To Israelis he may well be a hero. To Americans he will always be a traitor and a spy.
I am an American.
Your unlinked “links” had no citation but appeared to be lifted out of a Wikipedia article. Yes. I’ve tracked it down here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard#cite_ref-26
The money quote “Some commentators identified this interview as a blatant violation of the plea agreement” is cited to one, yes ONE, opinion piece by Joseph C. Goulden, a writer of spy books, but not specially qualified to be clinching authority on this matter.
So, your “links with citations” is basically an empty set consisting of one unauthoritative authority.
To my statement “We are talking about whether a clemency request should be granted at this time” you replied:
“It shouldn’t be. He was sentenced to life. That’s what he should serve.”
When you’re losing the argument, change the topic. We’re not talking about clemency. We’re talking about Lurker’s g-d like power to decide there are some folks who don’t even deserve a discussion of clemency.
Think about your statement. It’s a tautology. Clemency means considering mitigating or other circumstances why a sentence, once imposed, should be reconsidered and shortened or otherwise ameliorated. Your statement says if you’re sentenced, you must not be entitled to clemency. Ergo, no one who is sentenced should even bother asking for clemency. The whole thing with presidents and governors granting clemency must be abolished. In your world, anyway.
I don’t know, nor do I inquire about your beliefs, but, I am compelled to say: “how very un-Christian of you” especially at this time of year.
As I said...Troll. ZOT!
““David Luchins, an aide to Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, announced to reporters that he had seen “secret documents confirming that Pollard’s spying had resulted in the loss of lives of U.S. intelligence agents.””
Very likely the same Aldrich Ames document that Weinberger gave the Pollard sentencing judge. Ames was privy to all Soviet counter-intelligence info, and admitted in 1994 causing the death of 10 American agents; but not before successfully blaming his crimes on Pollard.
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