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Compact fluorescent light bulb to blame for Hornell fire
The Hornell Evening Tribune ^ | December 23, 2010 | Andrew Poole

Posted on 12/23/2010 2:09:46 PM PST by NRG1973

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To: NonValueAdded
What’s the carbon footprint of a house fire?

Probably near zero. At least for the wood -- it's only the premature release of temporarily-sequestered carbon.

Which is why planting trees is silly. That carbon is coming back, unless you have a means for permanently sequestering old wood and not letting it burn or rot.

51 posted on 12/23/2010 4:43:02 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: ridesthemiles
Exploding CFL’s are NOT rare. Have been reading about this problem on the internet for over 5 years.

Would really appreciate some of your links for my own education. Dogpile.com doesn't give much beyond the fact that it does happen and seems to be linked to bulbs made in China (gee, where have we heard before of problems with Chinese-made products?) or, in one case, possible overtightening of a live bulb!

(I will include external flame-inducing burnouts as "exploding", but not internally-burned electronics.)

Thanks in advance, ridesthemiles! (No need to collect them if you haven't kept the links, just ping me to what you see when you see it, please. I must spend my time elsewhere because I haven't see this.)

52 posted on 12/23/2010 4:51:14 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: NonValueAdded
Answer the knock on your door, your smart meter has issued a warrant

Cute. But "smart meters" (whatever they will become -- what's out there now are parts of various experiments related to the residential consumer of electricity) won't issue warrants. But they could result in much higher electric bills if no attention is paid to consumption practices.

53 posted on 12/23/2010 4:54:28 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: Borax Queen
don’t want anyone reporting us -— that there’s a warm glow inside.

We're particular about characteristics of the bulbs we buy. In shaded fixtures it's hard to tell the difference and our house has a warm glow inside.

But in all fairness, nobody in this household reports the headaches or other problems that some folks do. I am sensitive to certain indoor environmental conditions apparently at levels far below other's, so I'm not about to pooh-pooh the headache reports.

CFLs might not be for everyone, and everyone should have a choice.

54 posted on 12/23/2010 5:02:42 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: mickie

Yes, that family business was called “General Electric.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/07/AR2010090706933.html


55 posted on 12/23/2010 5:04:38 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: wastedyears
Congress mandates people buy light bulbs with mercury in them.

They became emboldened when they decided what kind of toilets we had to use........

56 posted on 12/23/2010 5:10:30 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (There's only one cure for Obamarrhea......)
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To: sionnsar

Exactly... I do get the headaches and sometimes worse (almost migraine)... At my office, I’ve been fortunate to be able to have almost all the fluorescents off, and they let us bring in incandescents (many of us suffer from the same thing).

My husband and I are all about saving energy — we compost, recycle, use water cisterns, save seeds, all of that. The house came with a couple of fluorescent lights — in the kitchen and AZ Room. That’s fine, I just don’t want them where I read or sit for long.


57 posted on 12/23/2010 5:23:35 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Bob
Argon, xenon, neon, and krypton are all inert gases. They aren't flammable.

The gas doesn't burn but how hot does it get when a bulb is burning out? Since it's not flammable maybe it can super-heat. Just speculating.

58 posted on 12/23/2010 5:44:46 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: mickie
These crazy new fangeled bulbs are made in China

All the more reason to distrust them. The only made in China thing I would buy is clothing. They use recycled metal, which breaks or bends with even normal use. Not really so cheap when you end up throwing it away. And really not cheap, when you factor in how many American jobs have been lost.

59 posted on 12/23/2010 5:45:15 PM PST by giotto
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To: George from New England
Your first two links are 7 and 8 years old respectively. Certainly not current info.

You got it!

GE Light Bulbs

Lists problems with GE CFL Light Bulbs - 2010

CFL Ligh Bulbs Pose Fire Risk

06/06/10 In 2008, the Office of National statistics reports there were 1033 fires caused from misuse of CFL light bulbs.   Energy Star, a joint effort between the Department of Energy and the Environmental Protection Agency, CFLs installed in enclosed fixtures designed for incandescent bulbs may overheat. This can pose serious risk of injury or fire, and significantly reduce both light output and lifetime.  Even under optimum conditions, light output from a CFL will decrease over its lifetime. To maintain existing light levels, select CFLs with rated lumen output (of bulb and ballast together) at least as high as the bulbs they replace.  CFLs should have a power factor (PF) above 50% and a Color Rendering Index (CRI) above 80%. ENERGY STAR-qualified integral CFLs and most available modular CFLs meet these criteria.

CFL Ligh Bulb Smoke and Possible Fire

July 26, 2009

Trisonic Comp;act Fluorescent Light Bulbs Recalled due to Fire Hazard

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 5, 2010
Release #11-001

60 posted on 12/23/2010 5:49:56 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: Diogenesis

Edison’s bulb doesn’t have a circuit board full of resistors, capacitors, diodes, and ICs, and it doesn’t generate RF hash that interferes with radio reception.

It doesn’t cause climate change either.


61 posted on 12/23/2010 5:55:14 PM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: Borax Queen
You're a bit beyond me in conservation, but I detest the overhead fluorescents in my office and do not use them.

Forcing CFLs on people who suffer from them -- maybe this needs to be a court challenge.

62 posted on 12/23/2010 5:56:30 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: Borax Queen; sionnsar
Exactly... I do get the headaches and sometimes worse (almost migraine)... At my office, I’ve been fortunate to be able to have almost all the fluorescents off, and they let us bring in incandescents (many of us suffer from the same thing).

The danger of compact fluorescent lighting

Snip: Also new research has come to light that indicates that CFLs emit a high humming sound that is not in our range of hearing but is in the range of hearing of cats and dogs. Can you image hearing a high pitched humming sound all day long. It would be enough to drive you nuts! Many pet owners report that their cats or dogs do not want to be in rooms with CFL bulbs on and will become anxious if they are forced to be.

63 posted on 12/23/2010 5:57:02 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: sionnsar

It seems like they could care less about whom they harm these days!


64 posted on 12/23/2010 6:01:14 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: MamaDearest; sionnsar

Oh, that’s interesting, I hadn’t heard the pet thing. No wonder the cats don’t hang around in the kitchen when we have that light on. The AZ Room has a lot of natural light so we rarely need to turn it on there.

It’s so scary.


65 posted on 12/23/2010 6:03:22 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: reagan_fanatic

I agree with you. I’ve used CFLs for years— by choice.


66 posted on 12/23/2010 6:14:43 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I’ve had two CFLs explode on me. One in our bedroom overhead light. After that, I will never allow one in the bedrooms or kitchen. I took a long time cleaning the bedspread and carpeting, because of fears of the mercury residue. Had another one explode in the family room. The only place I will now use them is in the garage or outdoors.


67 posted on 12/23/2010 6:18:37 PM PST by roadcat
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To: MamaDearest
Thanks! But I've seen this kind of writing before:
Traditionally healers, such as Barbara Ann Brennan, have long advised to never do healing work under fluorescence lighting of any kind to avoid making yourself ill. These lights drain our energy
No idea what a "healer" is, or who BAB is, or how these lights "drain energy," but a family member got into TM once (I heard a lot of this language in that time) and it drained nearly all her life savings in short order. There's a lot of other material there I might question.

One thing I will NOT question is the likelihood of ultrasonic emissions. I don't know the preferred switching frequencies of these lamps but it seems likely, given the technologies involved, that they are above the range of human hearing (generally above 20 kHz) but not hugely so. Yes, this would make them annoying or worse to many cats and dogs.

Probably also to the undesirable rodents that some rodent-repellent electronics intend to repel. (I am not exactly a believer in these, but once installed our house in the woods has not had a rodent problem though my wife's car, parked outside with plant-based wiring insulation, has had major problems with rodents.)

If our CFLs help keep rodents out of our rural house, This Is A Good Thing!

68 posted on 12/23/2010 6:22:05 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: sionnsar
If our CFLs help keep rodents out of our rural house, This Is A Good Thing!

Come to think of it, I haven't seen a single mouse in my garage all winter, ever since we installed the CFL bulbs in the garage.

69 posted on 12/23/2010 7:10:43 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: Borax Queen
No wonder the cats don’t hang around in the kitchen when we have that light on.

My cats used to sit on the computer desk when I was online and then I installed a CFL bulb in the lamp behind the monitor. The cats quit sitting on the desk. The CFL bulb took forever to brighten, so I removed it and installed one of the old regular bulbs back in the lamp. The cats are once again sitting on the desk.

70 posted on 12/23/2010 7:14:25 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: 2nd amendment mama
I just will not buy them.
Some of my smaller lamps have the shade sitting attached to the bulb. Couldn't do that with thoses dumb CFL's.

I hope the new Congress will overturn this crazy new law before it goes into effect.

71 posted on 12/23/2010 7:15:10 PM PST by mickie
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To: MamaDearest

Awww! Too bad we can’t teach them to type. When I work at home, all they want to do is walk across the keyboard until I lock them out.


72 posted on 12/23/2010 7:21:16 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: NRG1973

I’ve had two burn through their base, leaving a hole large enough to stick my little finger in, and scorching the fixture. They are a fire hazard.


73 posted on 12/23/2010 7:25:00 PM PST by PAR35
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To: NRG1973

Anyone recommend a good LED bulb?


74 posted on 12/23/2010 7:54:44 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: NRG1973
Incandescents don't do this.


75 posted on 12/23/2010 11:06:23 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: NRG1973

You can get incandescent light bulbs rated for 25,000 hours that are used by the hospitality industry. If you use them for an average of 7 hours a day they’ll burn out in just a little under 10 years and cost about a buck or less per bulb depending on how many you buy.

https://www.nathosp.com/product/25k19_c/standard_incandescent_light_bulbs

Once you stock up all you’ll have to do is watch out for the light bulb police who’ll be monitoring everyone who might be using those unauthorized, evil incandescents!


76 posted on 01/01/2011 7:32:51 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Storing the stock of regular bulbs has been a question I’ve had, too.


77 posted on 01/12/2011 6:03:46 AM PST by Twinkie (Awake and strengthen that which remains . . . . . . . . Revelation 3)
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To: Bob
Argon, xenon, neon, and krypton are all inert gases. They aren't flammable.

Not only that, but the bursting is equally unlikely - the proper vapor pressure for these lamps is below 1 Atmosphere. Negative vapor pressure cannot cause something to burst.
78 posted on 01/12/2011 6:51:43 AM PST by Jagermonster (They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious)
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