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Airline Pilot Punished for Exposing TSA in YouTube Video
Breitbart TV ^ | 12-23-2010 | unknown

Posted on 12/23/2010 7:15:55 PM PST by Mad Dawgg

An airline pilot is being disciplined by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) for posting video on YouTube pointing out what he believes are serious flaws in airport security.

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KEYWORDS: airports; banglist; bigsis; ccw; chcl; cw2; government; obama; palin; tsa; tsapervs
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1 posted on 12/23/2010 7:15:58 PM PST by Mad Dawgg
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To: Mad Dawgg

I find it interesting that the pilot’s union can’t help him here. Oops, the union only protects you when you do something blatantly incompetent or dangerous. When you do something to make the bosses or agency look bad, you’re SOL.


2 posted on 12/23/2010 7:22:35 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Drip, drip, drip.........then what?

The fed is clearly over reaching day in and day out.

How much more will We The People tolerate?


3 posted on 12/23/2010 7:24:18 PM PST by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a meteor!! No Sh*t)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Well that explains why every time I see TSA my mind reads it as Stasi


4 posted on 12/23/2010 7:26:07 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (The 0 admin thinks it is above the law.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

They searched the guys friggin’ house!!


5 posted on 12/23/2010 7:31:00 PM PST by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: spyone

Surprised they didn’t plant something.

What the hell did they think they would find.

Just intimidation. Next guy who sees something will be less eager to say so.

Dicktaters have a way.


6 posted on 12/23/2010 7:37:59 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: Mad Dawgg

If Julian Assange had released it they would be fawning all over him.


7 posted on 12/23/2010 7:42:14 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
BTW its a the big Story on Drudge right now...


8 posted on 12/23/2010 7:42:50 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Will this pilot’s efforts/sacrifice result in anything positive for airport security? Where’s the ALCU or like civil libertiis advocates?

This man may well have saved lives. I thank him for his bravery and sense of honor.


9 posted on 12/23/2010 7:47:08 PM PST by MichaelCorleone
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To: spyone

They also confiscated his California CCW permit.


10 posted on 12/23/2010 7:48:18 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81
"They also confiscated his California CCW permit."

Anyone wanna tell me now how foolish I am for refusing to apply for a CCW?

Unnecessary papers that the MAN/BigSis can use against you.

11 posted on 12/23/2010 7:50:43 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Totalitarian SOB’s


12 posted on 12/23/2010 7:51:05 PM PST by Chickensoup (I am no longer Republican or Democrat, I am Conservative.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

She’s a real harpie of a ghoul.


13 posted on 12/23/2010 7:54:08 PM PST by bvw
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To: Mad Dawgg

Case study in how to take a minor annoyance and make it HIT THE BIG TIME IN A BUG WAY. Way to go idiots, speaking of every dang official and officer involved in this.


14 posted on 12/23/2010 7:56:55 PM PST by bvw
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To: Mad Dawgg
Welcome to the Obamanation...

Yup, strictly Bush league.

15 posted on 12/23/2010 8:06:32 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I think it’s wrong to publicize a systematic analysis of security flaws of a sensitive place.

Even if his analysis is wrong, do we want insiders to reveal vulnerabilities to YouTube audiences?

With military systems and some locations, revealing exploitable vulnerabilities is a no-no. Usually Top Secret or more.

If he had real concerns, there are ways to address them without showing people how best to have a Sudden Jihad Moment, or even how best to steal luggage or smuggle cash or securities.

As for losing his CCW and flight deck gun, someone might have imagined that someone using a camera to document vulnerabilities and security flaws at an airport could be a security threat. If this were an ROP member who did the video, many would agree that it’s a threat- but there are other people who might case a location to help plan some unpleasant event.


16 posted on 12/23/2010 8:09:16 PM PST by DBrow
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To: bvw

I agree. Hey, everybody, don’t look over here!


17 posted on 12/23/2010 8:10:34 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

ever notice when you’re whistle-blower nobody wants to listen about their incompetence. I have a feeling this guy tried to go through normal channels and got nowhere because the incompetent boobs he tried to warn would’ve been outed in the process...

YMMV


18 posted on 12/23/2010 8:21:53 PM PST by jurroppi1 (The gropings will continue until morale improves (or) "don't TSA me bro")
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To: Mad Dawgg

Everyone already knows that there is a HUGE hole in security where a person with access to baggage or the airplanes can easily sneak someone or something onto the airplane. Hell, a 16 year old boy managed to stow away on an airplane in Virginia and NOBODY saw him. They just found his body along the flight path near the airport in Massachusetts and figured out what he did.


19 posted on 12/23/2010 8:23:03 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Agreed
20 posted on 12/23/2010 8:25:50 PM PST by Daffynition (Merry Christmas!!!)
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To: DBrow
I think it’s wrong to publicize a systematic analysis of security flaws of a sensitive place. Even if his analysis is wrong, do we want insiders to reveal vulnerabilities to YouTube audiences?

Finally a sensible comment. Even TSA can occasionally swerve into doing something right.

21 posted on 12/23/2010 8:29:56 PM PST by plain talk
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To: davetex

I just returned from a trip - Seattle to Southern California. On the way down, my husband and I were both pulled out for secondary screenings. I am a mid 40s housewife of Irish lineage. My husband is a 50 year old first generation Norwegian. If TSA was looking for any red flags for potential terrorists, I doubt they’d find one between us! But, we were pulled out of line and had a pretty embarrassing body search done in front of a few hundred people! (The agents didn’t seem to be any more pleased than we were and behaved very professionally the whole time.) Needless to say, I felt LESS safe after this as I fumed over the complete waste of time and thought about all of the potential bad guys who got through while my husband and I were being humiliated.

On the way back, my 20 year old son (remember 1/2 Irish 1/2 Norwegian) was selected for a secondary screening. He also declined the “cancer machine”and we discovered something very interesting. Since this was a smaller airport, they shut down the machine so that the operator could perform the pat down. So, for the next five minutes, everyone else just walked right through because the scanner wasn’t manned! Hmmmmmm, do you suppose that the terrorists might also notice this opportunity? Let’s put the guy who is clean at the front of the line and when he refuses the scanner, we’ll all just walk onto the plane while he’s getting patted down!

This story was huge a few weeks ago but too many people have just decided to submit and not make a fuss. I admit - I live in liberal Washington State and I know it won’t do any good to complain to my elected officials. So, Freepers, what do you suggest that I do now? I’m furious but I’m just one person! Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. I feel like I’m losing my freedoms bit by bit by bit....


22 posted on 12/23/2010 8:30:20 PM PST by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: jurroppi1

ditto that


23 posted on 12/23/2010 8:31:29 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: DBrow

Terrorists already know the secruity flaws in an airport.


24 posted on 12/23/2010 8:32:39 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: spyone

TSA isn’t authorized, they had to get the local cops to do it. I don’t know kind of dipsh— cops they have in that town. I am very good friends with a well-placed person in an international airport in my area, he tells me that the cops here hate TSA and think they’re a bunch of dorks.

He also gave me a good hint: when you leave the security area, you are done with TSA. If anybody from TSA hassles you outside the security area, tell them to get bent and call a cop if they have a problem.

The TSA is pissing in the wind, they don’t have jurisdiction over the area that this guy was complaining about (the gate area, the doors that employees use to bypass the TSA security area, etc.). He wasn’t filming the TSA security area or any of their procedures. If anybody has a beef with this pilot, it’s the cops and the airport, not TSA.

There was a recent case at SLC International where a TSA agent saw what he thought was an unattended bag at the gate. The owner had to take a bathroom stop and had his buddy look after his bag for him. The bag owner walked up right when the TSA clown was asking loudly, “Whose bag is this?!” When the owner identified the bag as his, and his buddy said that he was looking after the bag for his friend, the TSA guy started chewing them out and said, “Come with me, you’re in a lot of trouble!” TSA dude was trying to back-room them.

They knew that TSA had no authority and told him to call a cop or piss off. Cops were called, they listened to the whole story, told the two guys to go about their business, and told the TSA guy to take his dumb ass back to bag check where he belongs.


25 posted on 12/23/2010 8:36:18 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I believe he had to have the permit as he was a TSA certified “guns in the cockpit” pilot.


26 posted on 12/23/2010 8:41:05 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Mad Dawgg

None of us should need a ccw- the Second Amendment is clear. Each state needs to acknowledge it like AZ, AK, and VT have done. We shouldn’t need permission to excercise our RIGHT-!!!


27 posted on 12/23/2010 8:45:41 PM PST by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: Mad Dawgg

Who’s going to stop them?


28 posted on 12/23/2010 8:47:40 PM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

But, but, but... I heard BIG SIS FAT A$$ tell us: “See something, say something!” Oh, wait... That’s not what she meant? She meant for Americans to spy on each other? Oh...

TSA... Those Skinhead A-holes
TSA... Terrorists Searching Americans
TSA... Treason Strikes Again
TSA... They Shoot Americans
TSA... This Sh*t Again?
TSA... Threats Seizures and Arrests


29 posted on 12/23/2010 8:56:04 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: DBrow
I think it’s wrong to publicize a systematic analysis of security flaws of a sensitive place.

Even if going through channels is ignored? Even if the terrorists are smart enough to figure this out all by themselves?

I really hate what our society has become.

30 posted on 12/23/2010 8:58:15 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Mad Dawgg

So the FedGov sends six agents to take his gun away but it takes his own airline to ask that he take down the Youtube video!?! Clearly the Fed’s problem with him has nothing to do with security.


31 posted on 12/23/2010 9:01:17 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Tzimisce

I’ll bet this never goes to court. The TSA can harass him because the gun permit is through them, but going before a jury, no way this passes muster. Of course, we figured OJ was going down, too.


32 posted on 12/23/2010 9:01:26 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: davetex

How much will we tolerate? Apparently we will tolerate any degree of fascism thinking it will never happen to us.


33 posted on 12/23/2010 9:06:36 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Captain Peter Blood

How do you know what intel the terrorists have?


34 posted on 12/23/2010 9:08:48 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Mad Dawgg
do I really have to say it???

35 posted on 12/23/2010 9:11:03 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GingisK

“Even if the terrorists are smart enough to figure this out all by themselves?”

So if someone did this at a nuclear plant, or outside the World Trade Center in NYC, or the tunnels in NYC, or the Golden Gate Bridge, you’d be OK with it? Maybe case your own house and put it on YouTube ‘cause the home invaders already know how to break in and how to figure out when you are home?

No, detailed security vulnerability analyses should not be made public, even when done by upset amateurs.

As for “going through channels”, the “channels” hire experts to do their vulnerability analyses and keep them secret, because you or anyone else don’t know what the terrorists know or what they can figure out or what little detail is exploitable. You and I don’t get to read them.


36 posted on 12/23/2010 9:18:06 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow
Jawohl!
37 posted on 12/23/2010 9:30:46 PM PST by kiryandil
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To: kiryandil

Ha ha ha ah wow! Yeah, it’s truly National Socialist tactics to stop insiders from revealing exploitable security vulnerabilities!

I love this place I truly do, thanks!


38 posted on 12/23/2010 9:35:09 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Mad Dawgg

When it becomes time to use em you won’t need a CCW anyway.


39 posted on 12/23/2010 9:38:17 PM PST by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

At 9/11 they found boxcutters hidden on planes that were not hijacked, but they were in place. That had to of been done by someone with access to the planes.


40 posted on 12/23/2010 9:40:29 PM PST by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: davetex
How much more will We The People tolerate?

We'll tolerate up to the point where we're asking each other "How did we let this happen?"

41 posted on 12/23/2010 9:41:05 PM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: imjimbo

Amen to that my FR friend been saying the same thing myself.


42 posted on 12/23/2010 9:42:24 PM PST by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: jurroppi1

Well, at least he didn’t publish the details of how the badges work and how many digits in the code to open the doors.

I once had access to a huge cobalt-60 cell used to sterilize stuff like medical gear and band-aids and clinical petri dishes. When you think of Dirty Bombs, this would have been a granddaddy in the wrong hands. Megacuries.

I saw a vulnerability about access I didn’t like, and the manager said it was covered, don’t worry.

Should I have gone public and explained how to access and remove the source rods on YouTube and in the NYT? The place is still in operation, it’s not too late, though they have not had an incident.


43 posted on 12/23/2010 9:47:44 PM PST by DBrow
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To: jurroppi1

Another point, yes my mileage varies.

I doubt as a pilot that he’d be privy to all security measures, and who is cleared for what and what the clearance procedures are.

As I mentioned in another post, the powers that be hire professionals with all the access they need.

His comment that “when you see a cart on the field, it’s not checked”, and a bunch of other assertions, all sound like he does not know what checks are made or what clearance it takes to go through a door. And why should he? His job is to fly the plane, not do background checks on the ramp rats.


44 posted on 12/23/2010 9:52:37 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

Yeah, you’re right - that doddering old buffoon Ben Franklin had NO idea what he was talking about...


45 posted on 12/23/2010 9:54:42 PM PST by kiryandil
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To: kiryandil

Did Franklin publish troop movements during the Revolution? If not, why not?


46 posted on 12/23/2010 9:58:08 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

You shouldn’t drink & post...


47 posted on 12/23/2010 10:03:14 PM PST by kiryandil
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To: kiryandil

Ha, answer the question.


48 posted on 12/23/2010 10:04:33 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

I’m always amazed at the number of Statist apologists on Free Republic these days.


49 posted on 12/23/2010 10:04:40 PM PST by kiryandil
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To: DBrow

Your “question” is a non-sequitur, dilwit.


50 posted on 12/23/2010 10:05:30 PM PST by kiryandil
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