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REVOLUTION! ... or what? (Vanity)
Lazamataz ^ | 12/24/2010 | By Lazamataz

Posted on 12/24/2010 8:49:29 AM PST by Lazamataz

Let's face it: We are losing against the forces of Socialism and Communism.

Over the course of the last 100 years, we have gone from a purely capitalist society, to one slowly working through the throes of communization. The New Deal; the seizure of privately held gold; The War on Poverty / Drugs / Whatever; Social Security; Medicaid and Medicare; the abuse of Eminent Domain; the creation of the EPA, EEOC, FCC, NEA, CPB, and a myriad number of other barely-accountable agencies -- these have been the slow ratcheting-up of the forces of Socialistic control.

It has taken generations, and we now stand on the precipice of the full realization of the Socialists desires: Forceful control of the citizenry -- from cradle to grave -- and the destruction of wealth and the middle class, with an emphasis to collectivizing that wealth in the hands of government.

So, it is obvious that it is WELL PAST Claire Wolfe's popular admonition: "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." It is, indeed, past time to shoot.

However, this is not America circa 1776. The things that may have worked then cannot work now. This is not even America circa 1968, whereinwhich only marginally violent 'social force' was useful.

Force is an odd bird, today. Let us consider the range of options available to the resistor:

  1. Somewhat-organized brigades of irregulars: Frankly, the best you could hold to field would be barely-trained irregulars with very poor C3 (Command, Control and Communications). If you could even assemble them, the irregulars would be put down quickly by professional military and police combinations. Armed with over-the-horizon technology, devastating missile technology, and unmanned drones, you'd never see it coming, and as a heat source, you'd stand out in the wilderness like a lightbulb.

    Okay, that won't work too well. The armed rebellion seen in 1776 won't work today. Well then, how about if you convinced a great number of military elements to desert and join our cause?

  2. Professional Military Crossover: You'd get some takers, no question. We still have patriotic people in the military. But, they would be stripped of command and control machinery and the best weaponry. They would be a good adjunct and advisor group to irregulars, but they would not have the true power of the geniune military. They, too, would be crushed.

    Well, then, there is always the emulation of successful cell-groups as practiced in Islamic circles, or as practiced in the resistances of occupied countries since the 1900's. Let's look at that:

  3. Leaderless Cell-based Resistance: These are routinely branded as terrorists, and are treated as non-citizen combatants, replete with the stripping of civil liberties, etcetera. Monitoriing and surviellance (especially network link-analysis) makes them relatively ineffective in this very-modern, very-computerized society, since any code you define would be immediately cracked, and patterns of contact are very observable. Further, what mischief would you make, without garnering negative publicity?

    Clearly a non-starter. Let's look, then, at the left's strategy of mass demonstrations in the 1960's.

  4. Mass Demonstrations: There are now very effective non-lethal counters to this form of resistance. From the microwave-emitter to much-more-potent pepper-sprays to the sound-caster, there are ways to effectively break up a demonstration without actually killing or maiming people, and thusly the government garners no 'Kent State'-style negative publicity, with the concurrent changing of the public's mood.

Ok. Looks like direct confrontation would be a poor option. The form of tyranny we most likely face, is what I call the Soft Tyranny. It isn't like Stalin starving his Ukranian foes. It isn't like Hitler rounding up his hated Jews for orderly disposal. It isn't like Pol Pot lining up the town leaders for summary execution on the spot. It, instead, consists of a low-level bureaucrat coming over and fining you $25.00 because you are using the wrong kind of light bulb. Most students of history see that this (genocide and mass killings) are not the most effective form of control. The most effective form of control is the small regulation and the tiny civil fine. Those tend to make people behave 'correctly'.

One important caveat: If the governmental parties are NOT students of that history, then every thug they sent to round up and kill one of us, obviously, should be liquidated.

Again: giventoday's society, you are much more likely to see a soft tyranny, what are the most effective tools?

The answer is clear: Emulate the success of the left.

Widespread infiltration and the changing of the public's mind: To do this, you must educate. Free Republic is one such form of education, but it's reach is limited. The goal is to train millions of youth. Homeschoolers have a chance to do this, also, perhaps groups such as the Boy Scouts and other social groups. Here, you can educate the minds meaningfully.

Maybe even reach the immigrant population, meaningfully. Deradicalize the La Reconquistas if possible, and show them the merits of freedom and the ways to defeat - by law - government control.

Install more journalists. Train them and send them out.

Get into more churches.

Turn to social media.

Launch more conservative blogs and websites.

The best weapon against communism and socialism is truth, imparted slowly and over a generation. They have two generations on us, so we won't be alive to see the fruits of our labor.

But labor, we must.


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1 posted on 12/24/2010 8:49:29 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Travis McGee; Noumenon; Southack; Squantos

Thoughts from the warriors and political-judo practitioners out there?


2 posted on 12/24/2010 8:50:50 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Lazamataz

>>Let’s face it: We are losing against the forces of Socialism and Communism.<<

No, I disagree.

We are now involved in a Civil....Civil War.

True constitutional patriots have yet to realize their day.

Our constitution will not die as easy as many might imagine.

The socialist, communist, progressives and globalist are working hard to tear down this nation.

There are many who are stepping up to say....not so fast.

Interesting times we find ourselves.


3 posted on 12/24/2010 8:53:47 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Lazamataz

Well said, now have yourself a Merry Christmas.


4 posted on 12/24/2010 8:54:05 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Pablo lives jubtabulously!)
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To: Lazamataz

Infiltration and incrementalism....yeah,just like they’ve been doing! Excellent idea! I think it’s our only hope,and we can do it if we all work together towards that goal.Sites like FR and the Heritage Foundation have been leading the way on that-thank God. The Tea Party movement is evidence of that.


5 posted on 12/24/2010 8:54:12 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: Lazamataz

You’re right, Lax!

We need to “hit it”.

Srsly.

FRegards


6 posted on 12/24/2010 8:57:20 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nervous Tick; Lazamataz

ROFL!

Make that “Laz”, not “Lax”.


7 posted on 12/24/2010 8:58:21 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Lazamataz

Talk and rhetoric is cheap; how many here are actually willing to give up their own life if puch comes to shove? Given this is the internet, I’d wager that most will proclaim that they would, but turth beknown, outside of internet blather, most would sulk back into their basements and doing nothing.... =.=


8 posted on 12/24/2010 9:00:41 AM PST by cranked
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To: Nervous Tick; Lazamataz

Do I smell a Nifong in the renewable fuel supply?


9 posted on 12/24/2010 9:02:35 AM PST by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: servantboy777
We are in a Civil version of a Civil War.

We need to use the tools that are effective. I've outlined why direct violent confrontation is not only ineffective, but counterproductive. That leaves other tools. I strongly suggest we get busy using infiltration and education.

10 posted on 12/24/2010 9:02:53 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: cranked
Talk and rhetoric is cheap; how many here are actually willing to give up their own life if puch comes to shove?

I, personally, would gladly risk my life if I thought it would be effective. I just don't think it would. I, and countless others, would die without any net-benefit.

Infiltration. Education.

11 posted on 12/24/2010 9:05:02 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Make that “Laz”, not “Lax”.

Good correction, because I have no affiliation with Los Angeles airport. ;)

12 posted on 12/24/2010 9:06:12 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Lazamataz
Take control of the schools on a local level, while it is still possible.

Merry Christmas

13 posted on 12/24/2010 9:06:20 AM PST by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: Lazamataz

A. Be shamelessly Christian
B. Home School
C. Offer to teach, home school other people’s kids
D. Write letters, support bloggers, contact leadership - they know you represent a lot of people
E. Be willing to cut to power off


14 posted on 12/24/2010 9:08:06 AM PST by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: Lazamataz

Your comments are SPOT ON!!

A modern tyrant no longer needs to post burly machinegun toting men on street corners. He controls a population with REGULATIONS and PAPER.

Want to work? Need a WORK PERMIT!

Want a place to live? Need a RESIDENCY PERMIT!

Want to travel? (Only on PUBLIC TRANSIT, of course.) Need a TRAVEL PERMIT or INTERNAL PASSPORT!

Want to eat? Need that FOOD RATION BOOK!

And draconian penalties await those who fail to obey the regulations or help others do so. That’s when the burly armed men appear. And they will just be “following orders.” Now where have we heard THAT phrase before??

“That could NEVER HAPPEN HERE,” say you?

That’s what many of you said about Obama!

Having said that, Obozo is probably trying to foment a revolt? It’s an old ploy.

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THE LEFT’S LAST GAMBLE
by Bojidar Marinov

In the 1980s the Communist governments in Eastern Europe began to realize that they were losing power. The Communist grip on the minds of the people was loosening. The Communist public schools were failing to produce young people loyal to the Party and to the Marxist ideology. The populations in Eastern Europe were increasingly resentful of the dictatorships, and local bureaucrats in many places had trouble imposing their will on the reluctant people. Information about the West was penetrating the borders, and Marxism was considered a joke everywhere. Those more courageous were doing everything they could to run the blockade on the borders and flee to the West. The natural course of events was against the Communist dictators, and they knew their days in power were numbered. Marxism had lost credibility; and Communist governments were losing legitimacy everywhere.

So they decided to try the last gamble of all dictators: Provoke their populations to anger and ultimately insurrection. The ensuing chaos wouldn’t have restored the credibility of Marxism; but the dictators hoped that it would at least give their governments some “legitimacy” as “restorers of peace and public order.” Or, if it didn’t restore their legitimacy, at least it would destroy the legitimacy of the anti-Communist opposition. When everyone’s legitimacy is destroyed, then there are no absolute moral directives for action. And there is nothing that Communists do better than winning in a morally relativistic universe.

So the policy of “an iron fist in a velvet glove” adopted after the death of Stalin was gradually reversed. The iron fist was once again clad in an ugly spiked gauntlet. The first example was the Afghanistan war – a senseless war that didn’t produce any benefits to the Soviet regime or society. A whole generation of young people of all the nationalities in the Soviet Union grew in the fear that they would be sent to fight in Afghanistan. The Soviet government had the resources and the opportunities to withdraw at any time, but the war was used for provoking the populations to anger and fear. In addition to it, in many places in Eastern Europe governments re-directed food supplies in such a way as to deprive certain cities or regions of food – creating long lines of people waiting to buy basic foods. Other cities and regions were oversupplied, thus creating mutual resentment between groups of populations. In Poland, the government pulled all meat products from the market and started shipping them to the Soviet Union, thousands of tons by rail. When the Polish people revolted against this policy, the government imposed martial law, and requested “foreign aid” from other Eastern European nations, thus depleting their scarce supply of food. All throughout Eastern Europe Communist secret police and special forces (gendarmerie) could be seen patrolling the streets. The old curfews of the WWII were revived and enforced. The author of this article was in Potsdam, Eastern Germany in 1986, witnessing a column of almost 200 Soviet tanks parading down a busy downtown street in the middle of the day, blocking the traffic for almost 3 hours.

Faithful to its racist heritage, Communism didn’t hesitate to use the historic divisions or animosity between the different kins, people groups, nationalities, and races. Where such divisions existed, they were fostered even further by different kinist and racist theories. Where they didn’t exist, they were created. Under the pretense of “preserving ethnic heritages,” the 1980s saw the Communists emphasizing the ethnic differences and alternately oppressing and favoring minorities, thus encouraging mutual enmity and distrust between people groups.

In many places whole regions were deliberately harassed. In Bulgaria, my home country, the chemical factories of Russe, the fourth largest city in the nation, were set to full production mode without smoke- and fume-absorbing devices. For weeks a population of 300,000+ was literally choked by the unbearable concentration of acids in the atmosphere. The first revolt in Bulgaria in the fall of 1989 started right there, in Russe, and was crushed by the police with cruelty that reminded everyone of Stalin’s times. Whole populations were moved, or forced to do things repugnant to them. Private homes were seized for government purposes. Towns were evacuated and destroyed in large government projects.

Communist propaganda became even more disgusting, brazen-faced, and insolent. Even in the times of the perestroyka, the more Communism failed, the more the media praised its economic and social achievements. Everyone knew it was lies, including the propagandists. But the goal was not convincing people anymore, nor changing their minds.

The goal was to provoke them to anger, and ultimately to rebellion. The more abusive, openly lying, disgusting the Communist governments became, the better the chance for the people to revolt. The government had its human shields to protect it from such an insurrection – the police, the gendarmerie, the secret police. The goal was to get some of those human shields killed by those who couldn’t bear it anymore. Once some of the pawns got killed, the governments could find an excuse to use full-fledged violence against the “hooligans,” and thus destroy the opposition before it was too late.

Similar tactics were used by the British in America in the 1770s. The British government felt it was losing its power over the colonists, so it did everything it could to provoke them to rebellion, which could be crushed without a loss of legitimacy. The human shields, the agents of provocation were the British tax-collectors. Indeed, the first victims of the Revolution were not British soldiers, but British tax-collectors. Other dictatorships in history, when at the end of their ability to maintain their power, have used the same tactics.

President Obama and the puppet masters behind him are obviously resorting to the same age-old techniques these days.

This time the human shields are the TSA agents. The provocation is the new rules of airport screening.

Of course, there is nothing logical about it. Sexual molestation of little boys and girls contributes nothing to security. Porno scanners do nothing to detect explosives. It isn’t true that the scanners are safe, and there is no study that says that they are safe. TSA lies through its teeth when they say the porno scanners are safe. The humiliation of women and elderly people is deliberate – in fact, as becomes more and more obvious, it will accelerate to make sure more people get offended by it. It is obvious pilots don’t have to go through scanners – does a pilot really need explosives to crash a plane? It is a well-known fact that El Al offers a much better system that involves a fraction of the staff and an even less in terms of cost with a higher level of security. It is obvious good decent Americans – white, black, Hispanic, Asian – don’t need to be strip-searched as criminals. When was the last time a white, black, Hispanic, or Asian American blew up a plane? Or when was the last time a white-haired good old lady in a wheelchair blew up a plane? It is obvious TSA works frantically to protect the perverts among its employees – which means all of them – from any legal action involving their acts of perversion. And it is obvious that the porno scanners were part of a big scheme of corruption, putting even more of the tax-payers’ money into the pockets of Soros and Chertoff.

There is no logic in the actions of the present administration, and there is no logic in the actions and words of the TSA administration.

Or, rather, there is. TSA is on a mission: Get as many Americans mad as possible. Get them to hate the TSA agents to such a degree as to revolt. Maybe get a few of those TSA agents assaulted by those decent, freedom-loving Americans that can’t take it anymore. If possible, do it before the new Congress starts its session.

In addition to it, more and more the leftist establishment spews out disgusting propaganda and lies. Soros openly advises Obama to ignore the will of the American people and rule through executive orders, like a General Secretary of a Politburo. It goes against the very meaning of America, and it certainly doesn’t make Soros more popular, but his goal is not popularity anymore. He is there to provoke America to anger. Warren Buffett sends a “thank you” letter to the administration that makes the majority of the financial and business professionals in the US wonder if the old man has been smoking something really strong these last weeks. There is not a single point in the actions of the Federal government in the last two years that had any visible positive impact on the economy. So what is Buffett thanking for? But again, logic and truth are not his goal. It’s all part of the greater plot to make us all angry, to make us revolt and give the Federal government that legitimacy that it is lacking. What’s missing is Bill Gates’ presence in the media to tell us how many millions of jobs were created by the closing of tens of thousands of businesses in California due to the environmental protection laws.

MSNBC, CNN, and other Communist media keep saying things that are outrageously untrue, and in fact deliberate lies. And one of the pawns of the establishment just said the other day, publicly, that he wants to see FCC close FoxNews. In the name of Marx and Engels, and Lenin, he forgot to add.

In the midst of all this Obama is silent about the porno scanners and the humiliation millions of Americans are going through at the airports. He is instructed by his masters to remain silent so more people get angry and (hopefully) revolt.

Their hope is that a few TSA agents will be assaulted or worse. Then, the leftist establishment hopes to have its lost legitimacy back.

But they are mistaken. Americans may revolt – or they may decide to use the peaceful political process that is so terrifying to the leftist establishment these days. There may be insurrection, or civil disobedience – or there may not be. But even if the hopes of the leftists come true, that won’t create legitimacy for their agenda. It didn’t in Eastern Europe. It didn’t in the American Revolution. It never does. People never forget who started the provocations. Eventually those that live by the sword die by the sword.

The Bible tells us that no matter how powerful those earthly powers are, God laughs at them from His throne. As long as there are a handful of Christians willing to stand against the tyranny and injustice, leftists’ plots will be thwarted and defeated. Obama, Soros, Buffett, and the other leftists better learn their history quick, before it’s too late.


15 posted on 12/24/2010 9:10:07 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Lazamataz
!. The British miltary was the most professional and lethal military known to man (at that time) we still beat them.

2. Crossovers-yeah, like 98%

3. Who do you think built that stuff? Who do you think would outsmart those who just take credit for the work of others?

4. Mass civil disobediance would be far more effective. You can go after one or two people breaking the rules, but it's pretty hard to go after a couple hundred million and face it, the American people are pretty innovative when it comes to working out a problem.

Laz, what you would have is the producers of the world against the parasites, the producers would win every time.

16 posted on 12/24/2010 9:12:57 AM PST by McGavin999 ("I was there when we had the numbers, but didn't have the principles"-Jim DeMint)
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To: Dick Bachert
Wonderful article. Thank you very much for posting that, on this thread. It confirms what I only had an intuitive sense of.

Infiltrate. Educate.

17 posted on 12/24/2010 9:13:06 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Lazamataz

I totally agree. In November, we showed them what will happen if they don’t listen to the people. We need to show them again in 2012, but in a bigger way. Confrontation will not, in my opinion, work in our country. I keep picturing a guy standing there with his 12 guage and facing down a Marine and heavy equipment. Won’t work. We have to pick strong Americans to put in office and turn this country around. I like Mike Pence but I’m sure there are others.


18 posted on 12/24/2010 9:17:16 AM PST by RC2
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To: Lazamataz

Secession is the answer. One state needs to do it. Texas? Many more would follow. These are not your GGGGF Yankees. The will not try to”preserve” the Union. They would let us go so because then they would be able to create their Socialist Utopia™ without us pesky conservatives.


19 posted on 12/24/2010 9:21:02 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Lazamataz
>>We need to use the tools that are effective<<

You mean the tactics the enemies of America have used against us for six decades?

Our forefathers in my opinion had a divine knowledge of what was to again face freedom loving citizens of this nation.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants. -Thomas Jefferson-

He did not say...may be or might be or should be or possibly be or could be.

Thomas Jefferson said, “must be”. He knew as well as the rest of our founding fathers.

Go back and read the constitution, federalist papers, individual writings of our f-fathers....it's as plain as day.

This is why we have a 2nd amendment. The only thing a behemoth government fears, folks with the means to protect their rights, families and treasure.

I am convinced through countless hours of research, our enemies are spoiling for a fight. This is exactly what they want.

We, being smarter than they, know the ultimate price. American patriots will not allow them to suck us into a confrontation.

The tea party was born. The tea party is only another name for a movement that has existed for twenty years.

20 posted on 12/24/2010 9:23:23 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Lazamataz

When we next have a somewhat conservative government it would be wise to split a number of states away from the union. If this was attempted when demos are in power millions would die.

The new Red Free States would thrive and the rest would begin to starve.

Some worry that socialist infiltrators would take up residence in the new free states and try to rot them from within. But so long as the free states have absolutely no welfare system of the sort the US has now there will be a strict limit to the number of undesirables that could do this.

Other states could be encouraged to join the new free state union as long as they abide by its constitution.
-No taxes no vote.
-No welfare programs for the able.

The number of states joining would soon accelerate....leaving the socialist remainder in ever more dire condition.


21 posted on 12/24/2010 9:28:32 AM PST by Bobalu ( "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." ..Moshe Dayan:)
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To: Lazamataz

You nailed it.


22 posted on 12/24/2010 9:31:41 AM PST by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Lazamataz

“I, personally, would gladly risk my life if I thought it would be effective.”

I,m pretty glad the men we call the founding fathers, as well as the men we call heros didn’t and don’t make that rationalization. A Man stands for Truth as he sees it and DAMN the consequences (a man’s gotta’ do what a man’s gotta’ do). But, this being typed by me on the internet automatically makes it the bleating of cowardpussyfaggot, so, whew, there it is, you’re right.


23 posted on 12/24/2010 9:33:41 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: Lazamataz

Revolution is a natural process while armed overthrow of government is not. The former is inevitable while the latter is not.
Our forefathers and their families did not take up arms until their government tried to take their arms from them.
http://www.revolutionarywararchives.org/lexington.html


24 posted on 12/24/2010 9:40:21 AM PST by tumblindice (Out with Lugar, in with Pence)
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To: Lazamataz; Quix

“We are losing against the forces of Socialism and Communism.”

Or by it’s other name....EVIL. We are at war with EVIL. (and not just in this country)


25 posted on 12/24/2010 9:44:41 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Lazamataz

The best hope to reverse all this is to gain control enough state legislatures to call for a Constitutional Convention.

An interesting read on this is here:

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1003/1003consconv.htm


26 posted on 12/24/2010 9:46:23 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern, you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: TalBlack

If I remember correctly, the signers of the Declaration of Independence pledged thier lives, fortunes and sacred honor in defense of their new country. And didn’t most of them lose that which they pledged? Can we do no less?


27 posted on 12/24/2010 9:47:37 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Lazamataz
I think that the widespread infiltration and changing of the public's mind is a valid tactic, but I think you discount the other, more direct tactics a little too quickly. I think they would work, though at a cost.

When we evaluate the chances of success of a hypothetical armed revolution/insurrection, we can look at the Vietnam model for clues as to how this would work, or, for that matter, our own revolution. Vietnam is a good model because it involved a relatively primitive indigenous population against a much better-armed, larger military. Unless the government is willing to engage in indiscriminate slaughter of the population (which would NOT be supported by our military, believe me), then the hit-and-run tactics used by the VC would render large-scale military retaliations by the government almost impossible. The revolutionaries strike a target, then go home and eat dinner as if they are just the same as the peaceable citizens, and the government has no reliable way of knowing who all the revolutionaries were. Sure, they'll get some, but they would not be able to combat the revolutionaries effectively without waging war on the population as a whole, which in turn would turn more people against them. Remember - we live here. We own the land. We ARE the land.

The best beginning tactic of a hypothetical revolution would be the mass demonstrations. Sure the government has non-lethal and lethal means to combat them, but they would merely be reacting, after the fact and after much damage or other effect has occurred. Under those circumstances, they would still have much to fear from such demonstrations, and might modify their behavior accordingly, as they have done for the leftists. However, a better tactic for such demonstrations would be, in fact, counter-demonstrations. As it is now, the Left has no compunction whatsoever about large violent demonstrations with much damage to property. What patriots in our hypothetical revolution could do is meet these demonstrators in force, even engage in hand-to-hand (possibly non-lethal) combat, until the Left is too fearful to mount any more such demonstrations, and their power to intimidate is diminished or eliminated. Then the patriots would own the streets.

The truth is that the Left has gained all of their ground not just from infiltrations of our institutions, but also from mobs who intimidate. We would have to counter BOTH elements if we were to be successful. The main problem with these relatively low-intensity tactics would be the timetable. This isn't the 1950s anymore. The damage done by Leftists in government and other institutions will be realized on a much faster timetable, so long-term strategy for recapture of the country may be too late. Shorter-term strategy may be called for, in our hypothetical scenario, and therefore the guerrilla tactic maybe the best one.
28 posted on 12/24/2010 9:50:58 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: Lazamataz
There is another option, it is the most frightening but effective. A coup by a combination of military and political leaders. They could seize control, empty offices of long term bureaucrats and "rebalance" the branches of govt before returning the country to elections and liberty. A balanced budget amendment, return of Senators to State control and redistricting in a manner to make neighborhoods look like blocks of homes would give us our country back.

The line in the Bible, where they speak of the "Beast" and "who could make war with it" has come true. We think of this "beast" as a foreign power, when in fact it is a political beast, controlling four seats of power. The religious, the financial, the educational, and the political. We are already 3/4 of the way to completely under control. The military follows whomever pays them, and who commands them, so they are under the control of the political.

29 posted on 12/24/2010 9:57:14 AM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: Lazamataz

We’ve only lost the war if we’ve lost our own party. While the Republicans have shown a disturbing willingness in the past to grease up and bend over, we’ve seen what can happen when the people get angry and vote. Politicians do listen, and they heard the message of the last election loud and clear.

Our challenge is to keep that anger, and keep it focused on those we send to Washington. With just one election, we’ve blunted Obamacare and frustrated Obama’s plans for a complete socialist takeover. That’s not a bad start.

Not all is hopeless - we can still win this thing.


30 posted on 12/24/2010 9:57:43 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: Lazamataz
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We're somewhere between 4 and 5

31 posted on 12/24/2010 10:02:25 AM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Lazamataz
Being Irish, I tell people to be careful with the word "Revolution" around us. Tell an Irishman there's a Revolution he reacts, "Revolution? Great! Which side am I on?"

The November 2008 elections disgusted me to the point of despair. It was obvious that the Democrats could enact virtually any law they wanted. Obamacare was one example, and the crap that got pushed through during the just expired lame duck session was another example. It also exposed a number of RINOS who MUST be defeated.

I was watching the day Rick Santelli uttered those priceless words; "Tea Party." Those words have resonated from coast to coast, and some long serving Democrats have come to understand their strength.

My hope is that Tea Partiers will militantly continue exposing the treachery, thievery, hypocrisy, lunacy, and oppression by the leftists.

I pray to God that if the 2010 elections were a storm for the Democrats, that the 2012 elections will be a force 5 hurricane for them.

Anyway, I continue to appreciate your excellent sense of humor, and I admire your serious analysis of important issues.

Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year.

32 posted on 12/24/2010 10:03:11 AM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: Envisioning; Lazamataz

Excellent Thread Ping...


33 posted on 12/24/2010 10:03:16 AM PST by waterhill (I love animals, they are delicious....)
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To: reagan_fanatic
YOU REMINDED ME!!!

ONE OF OUR PRIMARY TOOLS TO INFILTRATE, IS TO JOIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AS COMMITTEMEN (AND WOMEN).

34 posted on 12/24/2010 10:06:14 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: fr_freak

“the guerrilla tactic maybe the best one”

By guerrilla tactics, I assume you are including the (hypothetical, of course) use of arms against the government.

Well, waging guerrilla tactics against a foreign invader or unelected domestic despot is one thing.

But to do so against your own freely-elected government (as misguided as that government may be), would be considered by many patriots, including me, as a form of treason.

Of course, we’re only talking hypotheticals here.

I would instead urge an all-out attempt to call a Constitutional Convention, as noted in my post #26.


35 posted on 12/24/2010 10:07:16 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern, you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Lazamataz

bump for further review and study
BLOAT


36 posted on 12/24/2010 10:08:35 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: Lazamataz

bfl


37 posted on 12/24/2010 10:08:47 AM PST by Adder (Part 1 Accomplished)
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To: Lazamataz

Now, how many advocates of armed action have actually fired weapons in anger or seen a civil war first hand?


38 posted on 12/24/2010 10:08:53 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: Dick Bachert

Mark Levin was talking about Buffet on a recent show. Buffet likes the estate tax. When the family member dies, and the family has one year to pay the tax to the IRS, Buffet goes in and buys the business at a distressed price. A modern day robber baron. It is vital for the Congressional Tea Party members to fight like tigers to end the estate tax forever.


39 posted on 12/24/2010 10:13:10 AM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: central_va

Well you are partly right. But no state needs to secede from the Union. This is a Civil War we are in and the States need to fight the fight. We cannot have the average citizen out in the street with an AK47.

What most people do not realize is that the Federal Government is actually not that strong. It derives its strength from the acquiescence of the 50 states.

In fact if even 10-12 states stood up and just refused to allow the federal regulations in their states what would happen? A Federal Judge would shortly rule that the Feds have the right to regulate and would order the states to cease and desist. What if they just say “NO”? What if they refuse to institute Deathcare, refuse to follow the EPA gas emmission rules, refuse to adhere to the oil and gas drilling guidelines etc etc. What is the Federal Government really going to do? Try to send troops into 10-12 states? I don’t think so. All of the troops are out of the country. The Feds would then cut off all Federal funding to those states in an attempt to force them to submit. What if the states then just stopped sending in the alchohol, tobacco and gas taxes to the Feds? They could just use that money to run their states. Without that tax money the Federal govt would shortly come to a standstill.

My point is that its not hard to stop this insanity its just hard to get the motivation going. But I do see forward movement with the 20 state lawsuit agains’t Obamacare and the 5 or so states passing their own laws that guns and ammo manufactured and sold in their states are not under the jurisdiction of the ATF. Arizona has passed their own immigration law. This is all good. We need to keep moving forward on states rights and state sovereignty. That is the answer to our problem.


40 posted on 12/24/2010 10:14:41 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Lazamataz

Well said and reasoned out. How many responses before somesage posts,”We can’t do that, it makes[lowers or which term they prefer]us like them”?


41 posted on 12/24/2010 10:14:43 AM PST by sport
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“We need to keep moving forward on states rights and state sovereignty. That is the answer to our problem.”

Well said!


42 posted on 12/24/2010 10:17:54 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern, you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Lazamataz

Well said Bump - thanks, Laz.

I came to the realisation that I no longer live in the country my family emigrated to when I saw the horrific result of President “Read my Lips” Bush and Impeached President “No Sex” Clinton machinations at Ruby Ridge and Mount Carmel. Now we’ve got no id Present Soetoro/Obama, and the new Nazi’s are in full bloom!


43 posted on 12/24/2010 10:20:14 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !! ┬)
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To: Lazamataz

There have been a couple of threads at FR related to getting on the county steering committees for GOP party politics. It is a fairly easy thing to accomplish if one is willing to commit the time to going tot he meetings and being active. The effect is more powerful than imagined! When it comes time to put a GOP candidate up for primaries, it is the committee power that accomplishes the wishes of the GOP power brokers. To rid the GOP of the infection of rinoism means standing up for what is right at the county steering committee level. Again, as you noted, such an approach takes time and several election cycles to make meaningful change happen, but that is how the bastards running the rino party got it to this state of fecklessness!


44 posted on 12/24/2010 10:21:01 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Lazamataz; Eaker; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; ...
One of our best known Freepers has written an essay for us on Christmas Eve, well worth reading. And, very on topic: CWII ping!


45 posted on 12/24/2010 10:21:18 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Dick Bachert

Thanks for your thoughtful insights into communist tactics.


46 posted on 12/24/2010 10:22:23 AM PST by darth
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To: servantboy777

Our constitution is already DOA. Recently Republican senate leader Mitch McConnel helped pass the new tax bill. That bill should have started in the house, and because it didn’t it is unconstitutional.

Not one person in congress cared or tried to stop it.


47 posted on 12/24/2010 10:23:07 AM PST by stockpirate (Sen. Mitch McConnel (R) has betrayed the Nov. 2, 2010 voters w/his tax bill!)
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To: Enterprise

I’d say he’s more like a VULTURE!


48 posted on 12/24/2010 10:24:20 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Georgia Girl 2

There is no way a state like Massachusetts and Texas should be in the same country. If states do secedes it is an orderly process, people don’t just run around in the streets with AK-47s. You must read way to many novels.


49 posted on 12/24/2010 10:28:59 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Dick Bachert

I agree. How despicable that elected jackasses make it so easy, and lawful, for one citizen to prey on another in a time of grief.


50 posted on 12/24/2010 10:30:51 AM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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