Skip to comments.Obamacare falls to critical condition (Republicans can draft real health care reform)
Posted on 12/24/2010 9:55:11 AM PST by Libloather
Obamacare falls to critical condition
Los Angeles Times Syndicate
Published: Friday, December 17, 2010 11:15 AM MST
In a statement shortly after the ruling, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) got to the heart of what bothers most opponents of ACA: Obamacares individual mandate always rested on the absurd premise that the Commerce Clause empowered the federal government to regulate Americans decisions not to engage in commercial activity. Adoption of such an argument would have vested the federal government with the power to regulate virtually every aspect of Americans lives...
King is correct. If the federal government can get away with ordering individuals to buy health insurance based on interstate commerce laws, it could order us to submit to any other practice it deems for our good based on similar misinterpretations of the Constitution.
Should Judge Hudsons ruling be upheld on appeal, a significant corner will have been turned in the Lefts march toward a socialist state. Polls, as reflected in last months election, show that a majority of the public has grown tired of ceding too much power to government, no matter which party runs it. Growing numbers of us have awakened to the misappropriation of funds we taxpayers have given Washington. It is time not only to stop them, but to begin reversing the process with legislative sunset laws, periodic reauthorization of all government programs and agencies, a reform of the tax code and lower tax rates that will return power to the people where it belongs.
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The whole turd needs to be flushed with extreme prejudice. Not just the mandate, but all the hidden taxes, regulation and fees in it.
Pubbies will insist on keeping “pre-existing conditions” coverage that’s in Commiecare thereby negating any real reform or allowing real free markets to work.
This is nonsense, I wish it were true.
Yes, the whole thing needs to go. Does anyone imagine that loading millions of federal bureacrats into every aspect of healthcare will be cheaper, or better, than allowing patients to consult directly with their doctors?
Instead of the doctor seeing you once a year for an annual physical, consulting his written records, and discussing what tests or procedures are recommended with the patient, he puts his findings into a computer, that does to the feds, travels through more than a dozen networks, winds up at a death panel somewhere, and THEY decide what step, if any, should be next.
Almost all the money would go to feeding the bureaucracy. Little or none of it would go to the doctors, nurses, hospitals, or pharmaceutical companies. It would be even less efficient than Government Motors, because far larger and more complicated. The only “positive” result would be to fund the public unions, which no doubt would be crammed full of designated minorities and illegal aliens.
You wish what were true?
The most ominous aspect of Obamacare is the million extra IRS agents.
The court decisions will redefine the battle over healthcare. The left will now realize that their ONLY option is to push for the “single payer system”
Yes, compassionate republican spending. Damn!!
Exactly right. Repubs don’t have the courage to tell people you can’t insure your house after it burned down because that would be heartless. Let your neighbor pay the higher premiums. Same thing they did to the banking industry.
Gummit needs to get out of business.
So you don't want anyone with a pre-existing condition to get insurance, period? What about those who had insurance at the time of being diagnosed with a disease then lose their jobs, are they screwed from ever getting insurance again too?
Or were your comments aimed at those who wait until they get sick to ever buy or try to buy insurance? Some clarification would help your point.
As someone who's carried insurance on his own since 18 years of age and being recently diagnosed with a crippling form of arthritis, if I lose my job and I've paid insurance premiums non-stop since 18 years of age should I be prohibited from getting insurance again because I now have a pre-existing condition?
You should be careful when using such broad brushes as to who you paint with your statements.
IMO there are three facts in play here, and neither is mutually exclusive:
Fact #1: Obamacare must be repealed. Period, end of discussion.
Fact #2: Insurance companies should be prohibited from just "dropping" people when they get sick, or finding ways to not insure them at all after they'd been previously insured, simply because they happened to get sick and require the insurance company actually provide coverage while they were sick. The fact is, insurance companies do this kind of crap all the time, I know plenty of people who can't get health insurance on a family member because that son/daughter was born with a condition, even though the mother and father both had health insurance where they worked. That's just wrong, and that's just one case I can talk about.
Fact #3: Those who abuse the system and do not purchase health insurance should be forced to bear the full brunt of the costs of their treatment when they get sick. In no way shape or form should they be allowed to foist their costs onto the rest of us because they failed to do the right thing and purchase health insurance to cover themselves.
Personally, I'd support a bill that does #2 and #3 above. Those of us who work and play by the rules in #2 shouldn't get screwed because we got sick. Those who abused the system in #3 above should pay, period.
And yes, I'll say it again: REPEAL OBAMACARE. Don't "fix" it, drive a stake through it's heart and burn it to the ground. Any new legislation needs only to address #2 and #3 above to be successful.
“Almost all the money would go to feeding the bureaucracy.”
The bloated federal bureaucracy has a voracious appetite for money that is beyond anything that most people can imagine. Feds can ALWAYS find ways to spend your money and justify their empires. We must stop feeding the beast and put it back into its cage.
Obamacare was never about health: it is a program designed to extend the control of government over the most intimate aspects of life
Obamacare is an assault on an individual’s ownership of the most important property one possesses: his own body. A bureaucrat will determine whether you have sufficient value to the state to warrant various alternate levels of care. THUMBS UP! OR THUMBS DOWN! If you do not own your own body, you have NO property rights at all. That is the real intent: destroy property rights, individualism, freedom, liberty,
As Lenin famously said, “Medicine is the cornerstone of the arch of socialism.” This is about COMMUNISM, not health care.
IMO- that is the reason that this debacle will never go away. It was all about power and money.
How do Republicans behave when they are the majority party? Like a minority party. Bending over backwards for the Democrats in the name of cooperation and bipartisanship (a concept Republicans believe in and Democrats define as Republicans acceding to Democrat demands.)
The Tea Party folks will make a lot of noise at first, but it will be some time before they can get the real power that comes with seniority, committee chairs, chits from other members, etc.
And when it comes to the Senate, when you have the Freepers second most (irrationally) hated Republican Senator, Lindsey Graham, claiming that Republicans have capitulated to Reid and Peolosi in the lame duck session, you know it is already business as usual.
I am not inclined to think that we will see much in the next year but a lot of posturing and screaming. I stand ready for Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, Kyl, et al to prove me wrong.
I've been there. My first wife (God rest her soul) had a medical condition that required me to pay a higher life insurance premium on her than on me. The insurance company expected her to die early, and it turned out they were right. I saw nothing wrong with that practice, and still see nothing wrong with it.
As for losing your medical insurance when you lose your job, that's one of the worst features of our present system of tying medical insurance to a job. You should own own medical insurance policy, just as you own your life insurance, car insurance, and fire insurance. You don't lose those when you lose your job.
Please... With the way Senate Republicans are caving not a damn thing is going to change with Obamacare. Nothing!
The only ‘real’ healthcare reform the Pubbies should work on is getting the damn government clear out of it. There is absolutely NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY for any of their insufferable meddling. All their progressive platitudes aside, the government has NO BUSINESS in the health care business...and industry that did not begin to experience abnormal price increases until the Feds got their filthy hands involved.
I`m confused. Where in the Constitution does it mention govt. deathcare?
Just kidding. We know that useless piece of toilet paper was flushed down the crapper over 75 years ago.