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Democrats Seek Changes to Senate Procedures
New York Times ^ | December 24, 2010 | CARL HULSE

Posted on 12/24/2010 1:03:52 PM PST by reaganaut1

Frustrated by regular filibusters and other procedural blockades, Senate Democrats are urging their leadership to negotiate with Republicans to change the rules that govern how the Senate does business.

The Democrats would leave intact the ability of the minority party to filibuster legislation and nominations, meaning that in most cases it would still take 60 votes to get anything done in the Senate. But they want to require senators to be on the floor if they intend to try to debate a bill to death and would make other changes to streamline the Senate’s operations, including ending the practice of secret “holds” by a single senator on legislation or nominees.

Republicans are likely to resist, and should no compromise be found, some Democrats are prepared to propose their own package of rules changes on the first day of the session. Doing so could touch off a bitter floor fight, escalate the already high partisan tensions in the chamber and hinder President Obama’s ability to advance legislation.

In a letter to Senator Harry Reid, the majority leader, Democratic senators expressed “strong sentiment” for ending what they see as Republican misuse of Senate process in recent years.

“We believe the current abuse of the rules by the minority threatens the ability of the Senate to do the necessary work of the nation, and we urge you to take steps to bring these abuses of our rules to an end,” said the Dec. 18 letter signed by 56 Democrats and independents, including all Democratic senators remaining in the Congress that opens Jan. 5.

Republicans have cautioned against any unilateral move to rewrite Senate procedure, saying Democrats would regret it if they fall back into the minority.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: nuclear; nuclearoption; senate
It takes a lot to make Senate Republicans to act like vertebrates. Maybe this attempt to change the rules will do the trick.
1 posted on 12/24/2010 1:03:54 PM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1
Well gee why wouldn't you trust the Democrats to do things that are in the best interest of the nation? Hummmm
2 posted on 12/24/2010 1:10:06 PM PST by WHBates
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To: reaganaut1

The RINOS will probably go along with the plan.


3 posted on 12/24/2010 1:10:43 PM PST by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: reaganaut1

wow, they better be careful, they may get what they wish for... and in two years, as minority party, they may regret like never before, their grab for power.


4 posted on 12/24/2010 1:12:03 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: reaganaut1

Don’t count on it. I’m not...


5 posted on 12/24/2010 1:12:15 PM PST by piytar (0's idea of power: the capacity to inflict unlimited pain and suffering on another human being. 1984)
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To: reaganaut1

They’re frustrated?? They got everything they wanted, not enough I guess. Oh, the internment camps are not complete, I see.


6 posted on 12/24/2010 1:12:35 PM PST by brushcop (CW4 Matthew Lourey CW2 Joshua Scott/ Kiowa pilots KIA Iraq '05. Thank you for our son's life.)
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To: reaganaut1

“We believe the current abuse of the rules by the minority threatens the ability of the Senate to do the necessary work of the nation”

Oh Hogwash! The Democrats never saw an abuse of the rules they didn’t love! Look what they did with the Health Care Bi. Does any Republican really believe the Dems would work with the Repubs if the tables were turned?

What was it obama said? “We won!”

Don’t fall for this!


7 posted on 12/24/2010 1:14:05 PM PST by Castigar
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To: Castigar; reaganaut1

Like playing 4 Across with a 5 year old. Gotta change the rules so they can win no matter what.


8 posted on 12/24/2010 1:19:33 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: reaganaut1

A rarely reported issue that the media ignores is that Harry Reid has been “filling the tree” with meaningless amendments on every bill, so that the republicans (and the moderate democrats) couldn’t submit any of their own amendments.

That is the major reason the republicans forced cloture on everything — because they had no chance to offer amendments.


9 posted on 12/24/2010 1:21:03 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: reaganaut1

Fear not... Democrats. It may be Christmas and we may be busy celebrating with friends and family but we, as the Minutemen of old, are ever vigilant. We may not be posting much these days. But... we are watching... Merry Christmas!


10 posted on 12/24/2010 1:22:27 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: reaganaut1

Amazing how the view differs from the majority and the minority viewpoint. The rats are still a majority in the senate but that could change in ‘12. Be very careful what you do now, rats....you may get to eat a tiny bit of the tasty cheese but get your necks broken in the process.


11 posted on 12/24/2010 1:22:46 PM PST by JPG (There is hope for America and her name is Sarah.)
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To: reaganaut1
It takes a lot to make Senate Republicans to act like vertebrates. Maybe this attempt to change the rules will do the trick.

Don't count on it.

As we saw with the dirty dozen who supported the repeal of DADT, coupled with a WEAK, WUSS, RINO, Leader (McConnell) it would not surprise me at all.

However, woe be the R who votes or agrees to that as they WILL BE TOAST at when they run again in their next election.

12 posted on 12/24/2010 1:23:24 PM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: reaganaut1

Make the deal. When the Republicans retake the Senate and White House, this will play in our favor.


13 posted on 12/24/2010 1:24:01 PM PST by TXConservative25
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
As we saw with the dirty dozen who supported the repeal of DADT,

Sorry, I meant supported START....

14 posted on 12/24/2010 1:25:19 PM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: The Watcher
I remember once when it was basically a 50-50 Senate with a Republican VP.....bunch of pussy Republicans decided they'd 'share' power...see where that got us?

You can't trust any elected Republican to my mind. We need to flog them and threaten them with no-votes every chance we get. Their spines get limp and they succumb to the media in that hell hole Washington.

15 posted on 12/24/2010 1:26:26 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: reaganaut1
The high school debater from Kentucky can spend a whole year and this subject before he caves.
16 posted on 12/24/2010 1:33:54 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Gaffer

Good old cut and run pom pom queen Trent Lott.


17 posted on 12/24/2010 1:35:48 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: reaganaut1

Democrats complaining about legislative abuse?

That’s pretty rich, considering what they did with a disgraceful lame duck session full of members about to get the boot, and the bills they rammed thru despite a clear public rebuke 6 weeks previously at the voting booth.

In this area, Harry Reid is about the last person who is entitled to cry foul!


18 posted on 12/24/2010 1:35:48 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: reaganaut1; Liz; AT7Saluki; writer33
negotiate with Republicans

Breaking news.

19 posted on 12/24/2010 1:37:53 PM PST by Libloather (Teapublican, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: reaganaut1

I wonder how far the RINOs will bend over to accommodate the Dims. With Snow, Collins and Moocowski, count those RINO votes for the Dims. Better to deal with the devil you know.........


20 posted on 12/24/2010 1:46:48 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: reaganaut1

I would like to see filibusters required to be actual filibusters, not merely a vote on cloture. Make all business come to a stop and the person(s) required to keep talking.
Left or right, a filibuster should *hurt*.


21 posted on 12/24/2010 1:54:05 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: reaganaut1

TRANSLATION: Democrats want the same power with 53 that they had with 60.


22 posted on 12/24/2010 1:57:07 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: RedStateRocker
I would like to see filibusters required to be actual filibusters, not merely a vote on cloture. Make all business come to a stop and the person(s) required to keep talking.

Call it "The Daschle Rule". It was designed to allow the Democrats to control debate from their couches.

23 posted on 12/24/2010 2:02:40 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: reaganaut1

I’m not conversant on the ins and outs of Senate procedure. But I will say this. If the Democrats think it is a good idea, it probably isn’t, so I’m against it.


24 posted on 12/24/2010 2:46:41 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: reaganaut1

FILIBUSTER?

WHEN?

DEMOCRATS HAVE ALMOST GOTTEN WHAT THEY WANTED UNDER MCCONNELL’S WATCH.

ARE THEY STILL PLANNING FOR MORE NEW MEGA-TRILLION LAWS?

GEESH!

Yes. I’m shouting and McConnell is indeed the worst Republican Caucus Leader in history!


25 posted on 12/24/2010 2:53:12 PM PST by convertedtoreason ( Nature tells us to take a LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVE stance)
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To: Oldpuppymax

OLDPUPPYMAX SAID:

TRANSLATION: Democrats want the same power with 53 that they had with 60.

55555555555555555555555555555555555555555555!

PST........... MCCONNELL! HEAR! HEAR!


26 posted on 12/24/2010 2:55:18 PM PST by convertedtoreason ( Nature tells us to take a LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVE stance)
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To: reaganaut1

How about read all bills and if you intend to voye you must attend the whols reading. Time off for funerals excluded.

Zero earmarks. Ban them forever.


27 posted on 12/24/2010 3:08:00 PM PST by devistate one four ( jihad is a 2 way street! Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: The Watcher
and in two years, as minority party, they may regret like never before, their grab for power.

And in 2 more years or 4 or 6, the Dems will abuse the power they asked for.

28 posted on 12/24/2010 5:37:24 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (If raising taxes on an activity reduces such an activity, let's tax liberalism to death.)
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To: The Watcher

“they may get what they wish for... and in two years, as minority party, they may regret like never before, their grab for power.”

Whether the dems are the minority party in two years very much depends on how the repubs behave and vote between now and then. So far, they’re disappointing (to wit, votes on START and repeal of DADT). But...we’ll see how they perform (in House and Senate as well) with the new kids being sworn in.


29 posted on 12/24/2010 11:36:00 PM PST by llandres
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“However, woe be the R who votes or agrees to that as they WILL BE TOAST at when they run again in their next election.”

My dad often says that the one thing the Founding Fathers should’ve done, but didn’t, was put term limits for congress (both houses) in the Constitution. I concur, and also think there should be the following revision: for the House - four year terms, limited to two (or three at most); for the Senate - four year terms, also limited to two or three at most. Senators should have to run more often, and House members shouldn’t have to start fundraising as soon as they’re sworn in.

Thoughts?


30 posted on 12/24/2010 11:46:00 PM PST by llandres
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To: reaganaut1
SantasLap
31 posted on 12/25/2010 7:32:02 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: FrankR

Good job Frank!


32 posted on 12/25/2010 7:54:22 AM PST by houeto (Government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed.)
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To: reaganaut1

Of course they’re trying to change the Senate rules - it’s called “corruption”.

And I’m sure a bunch of RINOs will go along with it and lecture us about “Democracy in Action” or whatever.


33 posted on 12/25/2010 11:05:12 AM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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To: Gaffer

I agree. That’s why we need Palin to whip them back into shape. She excercises more guts while still smiling and grinning and laughing than they have ever known in their whole political lives, in their most intense moments...


34 posted on 12/25/2010 11:10:54 AM PST by The Watcher
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