Officer won't sign order for troop indoctrination

WND ^ | 25 December 2010 | Brian Fitzpatrick

[Night Hides Not]

I'll never forget when the Carter Administration force fed women into ADA units in Germany. They did it without upgrading the facilities for women, which meant male E-5s and E-6s were forced back into the barracks so that female E-1s and E-2s could live off base.

I was fortunate that I didn't have to deal with all the problems that resulted from this decision. Life on a Nike-Hercules was tough enough without throwing women into the mix.

[ladyjane]

Where did you get that information?

[Gondring]

My father and everyone of his age didn’t come back with a more permissive attitude.

You must have been busy, getting to know everyone of his age.

[dagogo redux]

I’m simply amazed there still AREl Officers in the military with this level of conviction and common sense after all the weeding out of true warriors they’ve engaged in for decades now.

Bravo, Sir!

[MotherRedDog]

God Bless you!!!!

[central_va]

In case you're wondering, I'm referring to civil war.

I am sure the New Republic of Texas will take everyone of them.

[MHGinTN]

The ‘solution’ is for the next more conservative Congress to write law which reinforces the UCMJ making overt sexual/homosexual behavior criminal and will result in expulsion from the force. Yes, the scumbucket democrats and their barry the bastard will veto it. BUT that is the exposure of their progressive agenda which must be done to end their tyranny over our Republic!

[quadrant]

I believe we should allow troops who cannot go along with this policy a way out. If troops - in all honesty - cannot serve with gays, then those troops should be allowed to ask for and receive an honorable discharge.

[UCANSEE2]

maybe that he was right, the influence of music upon young minds is overwhelming

The music is just the massage. The lyrics are the message. The message is the problem. That and lots of drugs.

[Americanexpat]

If the poofers are going to try a civil war against the non poofers my money is on the non poofer.

[yldstrk]

Joe you are dead wrong. Questioning the legal validity of an order is what LTC Lakin did. LTC had a duty under the UCMJ to do same. Joe, you clearly do not know of what you speak.

[NoGrayZone]

Mega dittos.

[lentulusgracchus]

I do recall back in the 1950’s rock and roll was going to lead to the irreparable tearing of our social and moral fabric

It did. What's your point?

[lentulusgracchus]

The difference between then and now is not the music it is the lack of parental oversight in the raising of their own children.

So what's your point?

"This won't kill us, get over yourselves you phobes, gay is OK, don't knock it until you've tried it, and you're probably gay yourself anyway"?

Well?

[lentulusgracchus]

If troops - in all honesty - cannot serve with gays, then those troops should be allowed to ask for and receive an honorable discharge.

No. No concessions. Do NOT surrender the colors.

Make these people bring court-martial charges against enlisted and officers alike who won't go along with the "gay is okay" program. Make them go high-profile against brave, serving men and women of moral character, in public.

Demand the Reds mount their show trials where we can all see what happens, and what these "toleration" advocates are really made of.

[Old Student]

“Not saying your over blowing (pun intended) this a bit but I do recall back in the 1950’s rock and roll was going to lead to the irreparable tearing of our social and moral fabric”

And you bring that up to say that it has, or has not, or that you haven’t a clue? I was born in ‘55, and I’m not sure how it’s worked out, myself, though I’m tending towards “shredding” as the appropriate description...

[Sola Veritas]

“Hopefully he is the first of many who resign their commission rather than order his men to attend indoctrination classes to accept homosexuality.”

It is a conundrum. If all the moral people resign, then only the immoral or amoral will be left. A group of armed persons without morality to keep them in check is nothing more than a rabble...it isn’t an army.

What is a better idea is to lobby the incoming House to push legislation that forbids indoctrination over the homosexual issue. Also, legislation that will not allow homosexuals in the military to be considered a “class” of person that requires special protection. Don’t ever allow homosexuals to claim EEO protections.

OR give anyone with moral objections to homosexuality EEO protections as a class that protects them from “indoctrination” classes and reprissal for their beliefs. That would really stir up the liberals.

Anyway...surrendering the military to the immoral/amoral is not really a viable option. They will just lower the standards for soldiers more to fill recruiting goals. And the people will then have to fear those in uniform.

[Little Pharma]

I don’t know why they don’t make public the units that are doing this. Maybe if they did they would encourage others who are considering it.

[Sola Veritas]

Also, if all the GOP controlled states (legislature & governor) would pass legislation refussing to allow homosexuals to serve in their national guard units...and stick to it as a State Right and ignore the courts.

Then it would take a big chunk of the total Army out of control of the POTUS. The modern Army relies heavily upon the NG to fill out gaps in combat operations. If governors/legislators held fast...it would create such a stir that the SECDEF could NEVER certify that DADT repeal was going OK. This country is very dependent on the ARNG. If just one major state like Texas was to do this...it would cripple the effort to homosexualize the military.

The National Guard is VERY political where the governor of the state can control who are the senior officers in his state units. By purging his state guard of any senior officer that wasn’t conservative and loyal to conservative principles first, then such a move by states would be possible. An attempt to federalize a state Guard by the POTUS will not work if the senior officers in that state guard refuse to comply....owing first allegiance to the governor. When I was commissioned in the national guard, my original commission came from the governor of the state. Later I received “federal” recognition. I’m not ARGN anymore. So, I cannot came first loyalty to a governor of a state.

These are pretty desparate measures. The question is, are they called for? Also, can they be accomplished? For that matter, should they even if possible?

[dsutah]

I saw this on “You Tube” several months ago! It had a young, James Dean look-alike actor named Christopher Jones in it didn’t it?