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Pakistani drone victim suing United States
The Tampa Tribune ^ | December 25, 2010 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/25/2010 6:46:22 AM PST by 4Runner

In June, Philip Alston, the independent U.N. investigator on extrajudicial killings, urged the United States to lay out rules and safeguards, publish figures on civilian casualties and prove it has tried other ways to capture or incapacitate suspects without killing them.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiamericanstikers; drones; lawsuitabuse; personalinjury
So now goat herders relaxing in their backyards in Waziristan have lawyers on retainer? And the U.N. wants to make sure the U.S. has exhausted every non-fatal means of apprehending al-Qaida or Taliban berzerkers in Waziristan before resorting to lethal weapons, and wants it to publish a report confirming and verifying each such effort. So much for Congress refusing to declare war, and for the Pentagon sacrificing U.S. servicemen and women to "police actions" so that lawyers and the U.N. can sue us for improper procedures leading to "damage to civilians" while "enforcing the law". And what in God's name is an "extrajudicial killing"?
1 posted on 12/25/2010 6:46:26 AM PST by 4Runner
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To: 4Runner

Dead people can’t sue...

I’m not saying.. I am just saying..


2 posted on 12/25/2010 6:47:57 AM PST by cableguymn
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To: 4Runner

Dead people can’t sue...

I’m not saying.. I am just saying..


3 posted on 12/25/2010 6:48:14 AM PST by cableguymn
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To: 4Runner

We can always settle by sending over a waaahhhmmmbulance.


4 posted on 12/25/2010 6:49:36 AM PST by edpc (It's Kräusened)
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To: 4Runner
The UN says,,,,,

I say to the UN, go to hell.

5 posted on 12/25/2010 6:50:11 AM PST by TYVets
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To: cableguymn

I assume Gloria Allred be taking cases.


6 posted on 12/25/2010 6:53:52 AM PST by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: luvbach1
I assume Gloria Allred will be taking cases.
7 posted on 12/25/2010 6:54:51 AM PST by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: 4Runner

Be a real shame if we “accidentally” bombed the UN.Much like we “accidentally” bombed the French embassy in Libiya after we were denied fly-over rights.


8 posted on 12/25/2010 6:54:57 AM PST by Drill Thrawl (The 0 admin thinks it is above the law.)
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To: 4Runner

Every day is April Fools at the UN


9 posted on 12/25/2010 6:55:49 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: 4Runner
And what in God's name is an "extrajudicial killing"?

A government agent killing somebody without the target having been sentenced to death by a court. Since the death penalty is effectively abolished as far as the UN is concerned, any time US forces kill terrorists, it's an "extrajudicial killing"

10 posted on 12/25/2010 6:58:25 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: 4Runner

Does that mean that all 3000+ 911 victims and their families can sue the Saudi wahabbi princes, PLO, the governments of Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya for financing the fanatics who perpetrated the attacks?

Didn’t think so.


11 posted on 12/25/2010 6:58:42 AM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: cableguymn
Dead people can’t sue...

Their estates can. To my knowledge such a lawsuit would not be allowed in a U.S. court. Acts of war performed by the U.S. military are immune from judicial review by U.S. civilian courts. If someone else thinks they have jurisdiction, welcome aboard, just try to collect. What are they going to do, indict Obama?

Think if the same standards the U.N. is proposing had been applied to the bombing of Germany or Japan. Forget about Hiroshima. I am not criticizing either campaign, by the way.

12 posted on 12/25/2010 6:58:55 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: 4Runner

This must be him

Global justice.. Harvard. He must be one of them intellectual fellas.. you know. He can express Marxist feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings in his own words.

Source is wiki graffiti but maybe it's valid information.

13 posted on 12/25/2010 7:04:27 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: 4Runner

How about we sue Pakistan for turning out so many terrorists?


14 posted on 12/25/2010 7:06:37 AM PST by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Westbrook

Actually I recall reading about a lawsuit filed by the families of the 911 victims, as plaintiffs, naming the governments of Saudi Arabia and/or Egypt as defendants, in a class action wrongful death suit. Haven’t seen or heard anything about it in awhile though.


15 posted on 12/25/2010 7:08:51 AM PST by 4Runner
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To: 4Runner
We need to go back to the dumb bombs where we slaughter boo-coo dudes in collateral damage in order to get the target.

These days we are much too nice and everyone should be damn glad we are only killing innocent victims who are either humping or hugging the target

16 posted on 12/25/2010 7:12:29 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Every Christmas the Leftist atheists become "hatetheists.")
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To: 4Runner

What? He’s going to drone on and on?

Give him a helmet and tickets for the short bus.

That’s where drones belong.


17 posted on 12/25/2010 7:13:34 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: 4Runner

> Actually I recall reading about a lawsuit filed by the
> families of the 911 victims, as plaintiffs, naming the
> governments of Saudi Arabia and/or Egypt as defendants,
> in a class action wrongful death suit. Haven’t seen or
> heard anything about it in awhile though.

The Wahabbis and Muslim Brotherhood, as well as the governments of Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, all privided financial and logistical support for these genocidal fanatics.

They *ALL* should be sued into penury.

*ALL* Mosques in the U.S. should be taxed at 100% of their intake until all the multiple billions of dollars in damages to lifa nd property are paid.


18 posted on 12/25/2010 7:15:36 AM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
How about millions of Africans suing the U.N.?

Millions die as U.N. watches, does nothing.

I believe the gentleman's name is Romeo Dallaire a general officer in the Canadian armed forces who has exposed the U.N. "peacekeepers" as worthless (my word). General Dallaire is just one of many.

This Alston guy and his U.N. sinecure should worry about "justice" and the millions of victims of the U.N.

19 posted on 12/25/2010 7:21:17 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: 4Runner
In June, Philip Alston, the independent U.N. investigator on extrajudicial killings, urged the United States to lay out rules and safeguards, publish figures on civilian casualties and prove it has tried other ways to capture or incapacitate suspects without killing them.

He has a point. Perhaps we could take out a newspaper advertisement:

Terrorists, Islamic Extremists, Rapists, Thugs, and other Haters of America who Donated to and then Illegally Voted For Obama - You are invited to surrender at the American Embassy any Monday through Friday from 9:00 am through 3:30 pm to avoid the necessity for extrajudicial killings that may put those who associate with scum like you in danger. Please do not surrender on weekends, as staffing is limited, or after 3:30 in the afternoon as your processing may not be completed by the end of the standard work day and we would prefer to avoid paying overtime.

Would that make these lawyers happy?

20 posted on 12/25/2010 7:23:23 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: cableguymn

Well, the dead can’t sue but their surviving relates through the decedents’ estate can, if I remember correctly. Regardless, I don’t think sharia law covers that. I was the impression that they had the right to kill all infidels, regardless of innocence or guilt (no guilt here as far as I know). So they’ll do what they always do, declare jihad and have at it. Meanwhile, we need several hundred more drones do the dirty work that our allies, the beloved pakistanis, won’t do.


21 posted on 12/25/2010 7:23:39 AM PST by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Law professor at NYU. From the Wikipedia article:

Alston's reports to the UN relating to extrajudicial executions also deal with broad thematic issues that arise in many countries, such as witchcraft and vigilante killings, national-level commissions of inquiry dealing with unlawful killings, the problem of prisoners running prisons, the importance of witness protection programs, the problem of governmental reprisals against individuals or groups who have cooperated with a UN human rights inquiry, the need to regulate the use of lethal force by law enforcement officers, shoot-to-kill policies....

This last has been made possible by Congress refusing to "declare war" wherever we deploy the U.S. military. So our military is always and perennially engaged in "police actions", subject to all of the limitations domestic law enforcement encounters on a daily basis. We are doing this to ourselves.

22 posted on 12/25/2010 7:27:11 AM PST by 4Runner
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To: driftless2
How about we sue Pakistan Islam for turning out so many terrorists?
23 posted on 12/25/2010 7:27:54 AM PST by reg45
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To: 4Runner

Maybe he should sue his tribal leaders for putting him in danger. That would be the lawsuit I would love to see, Some idiot cleric who supports terrorists being dragged into a real court. If they want to put the United States on trial, why not put their beliefs on trial.


24 posted on 12/25/2010 7:30:08 AM PST by dog breath
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To: 4Runner

How can the OIC controlled “UN” intervene in this or any other Islamic issue when the US (using Israel as an example of their objectivity) will clearly be the losers?


25 posted on 12/25/2010 7:34:35 AM PST by himno hero
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To: Westbrook; 4Runner

ARTICLE from the past

U.S.9/11 Victims’ Families Sue Saudis
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91377&page=1

“Some 600 family members of Sept. 11 victims filed a trillion-dollar lawsuit Thursday against the Sudanese government and Saudi officials, banks and charities, charging they financed Osama bin Laden’s network and the attacks on America.

But the suit also is therapeutic for relatives of the victims, who acknowledge they face long odds of collecting anything. “


26 posted on 12/25/2010 7:34:38 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: 4Runner
4Runner,
Perhpas it's more a case lawyers on retainer for agiprop groups now have goat herders in Wazirstan. When it comes to lawsuits, there's always victims to be found or created.
27 posted on 12/25/2010 7:35:35 AM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: UCANSEE2

> U.S.9/11 Victims’ Families Sue Saudis
> http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91377&page=1

That was *SIX* years ago!

So, how did it turn out?

My guess is nothing at all came of it.

The Saudis are still funding genocidal fanatics, and the mosques and madrassas that breed them, all over the world.

Nothing at all should come of any lawsuit against the US for defending itself, either.


28 posted on 12/25/2010 7:38:10 AM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Thanks for checking that out.


29 posted on 12/25/2010 7:40:44 AM PST by 4Runner
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To: TYVets

The problem is that we no longer have any politicians with balls.....hmm?


30 posted on 12/25/2010 7:41:13 AM PST by saintgermaine
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To: 4Runner
And the U.N. wants to make sure the U.S. has exhausted every non-fatal means of apprehending al-Qaida or Taliban berzerkers in Waziristan and never ever resorting to lethal weapons.

Since the UN is largely a muslim org, they have lots of NYU red dope diaper baby ACLU lawyers ready to sue the US.

31 posted on 12/25/2010 7:41:38 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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To: 4Runner
prove it...
32 posted on 12/25/2010 7:42:24 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: 4Runner

Eric holders firm representing?


33 posted on 12/25/2010 7:59:43 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("Three hostile newspapers are more to be feared than 200 swords" - Napoleon Bonapart)
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To: 4Runner

bump


34 posted on 12/25/2010 8:20:16 AM PST by VOA
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Interesting bio. Actually he’s an Aussie, with a politician brother, who has gone international and currently is a law professor at NYU.

I see a parallel to Julian Assange, who is also an Aussie who has made global anti-Americanism his career choice.


35 posted on 12/25/2010 8:21:12 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 4Runner

Let me see.
Middle Eastern Terrorists flew airplanes into 3 buildings, a 4th crashed in a field and WE (the US Taxpayer), paid the families of the survivors so, in effect, they wouldn’t sue.

In retaliation, we launched a ‘War on Terror’ on those we deemed responsible - and those that ‘support’ them logistically - and now WE (the US Taxpayer), will be paying ‘reparations’ to the families etc.

Good thing Tibbetts and his ‘Enola Gay’ crew were not under the auspices of the UN.... can just see them being hauled into Court and this limp wristed govt of our NOT even paying for their defense.
Sweeney and the ‘Bockscar’ crew would have been marched off for execution upon landing.....


36 posted on 12/25/2010 8:24:46 AM PST by xrmusn ((6/98))
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To: 4Runner

It’s called lawfare for these very reasons.


37 posted on 12/25/2010 10:25:44 AM PST by Amberdawn
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