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Sotomayor, Kagan shift Supreme Court debates to the left
Los Angeles Times ^ | 12/25/10 | David G. Savage

Posted on 12/25/2010 7:39:05 PM PST by Nachum

Washington —For most of the last two decades, Supreme Court conservatives led by Justice Antonin Scalia dominated the debates during oral arguments. They greeted advocates for liberal causes with sharp and sometimes caustic questions, putting them on the defensive from the opening minute.But the tenor of the debate has changed in recent months, now that President Obama's two appointees to the court, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, have joined the fray and reenergized the liberal wing.Gone are the mismatches where the Scalia wing overshadowed reserved and soft-spoken liberals like now-retired

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1 posted on 12/25/2010 7:39:08 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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2 posted on 12/25/2010 7:39:56 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

> reserved and soft-spoken liberals

What universe is this author from?

Most of the “liberals” I know are loud, conceited, self-important, pompous, braying jack-asses!


3 posted on 12/25/2010 7:41:05 PM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Nachum
Sure would like to seek Elena and Sonya's true IQ scores.

But they are probably as secret as Zero's birth certificate.

4 posted on 12/25/2010 7:41:05 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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To: Nachum
Somehow I seriously doubt either The Wise Latina or Kagan can hold an intellectual candle to Scalia . . . or the lawyers arguing before them

Quite frankly, I imagine the other justices privately shaking their heads at the juridical incompetence of these two affirmative action lightweights

5 posted on 12/25/2010 7:43:33 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (NO MOS-que AP: It's the "GROUND ZERO MOSQUE")
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To: Nachum

Actually, as soon as 0bastard is deemed ineligilible and yanked off the stage, these gals (or whatever they are) need to be shown the door.

Null and voided.


6 posted on 12/25/2010 7:43:41 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Westbrook

“Most of the “liberals” I know are loud, conceited, self-important, pompous, braying jack-asses!”

ABSOLUTELY.


7 posted on 12/25/2010 7:44:18 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Westbrook

“Most of the “liberals” I know are loud, conceited, self-important, pompous, braying jack-asses!”

ABSOLUTELY.


8 posted on 12/25/2010 7:44:23 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

SHEESH!!! I only hit post once. Sorry to all about that.


9 posted on 12/25/2010 7:46:13 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Nachum

Horse sh**. The people they replaced were already as left as they could get. It is still 5-4.


10 posted on 12/25/2010 7:46:42 PM PST by calex59
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To: little jeremiah

In the World we live in, it will never happen.


11 posted on 12/25/2010 7:47:37 PM PST by sport
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To: Nachum

What a crock of sh*t this article is ...

Cases aren’t decided during oral arguments. Orals are “dog and pony” shows for the public. Liberals don’t sway Conservatives or vice-versa in these public forums. Although, one can get the sense of the tenor of a case from each of the justices questions.

Most of the decisions are made [and possibly persuaded] during private meetings [usually one-on-one] between justices.

For example, in Brown v. Board of Education, Earl Warren decided that he needed a unanimous Court for the decision in order to send the message. The ruling was delayed by months so that he could personally persuade the Southern Conservatives on the Court to get on board.


13 posted on 12/25/2010 7:49:11 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...</i><p>)
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To: Nachum

More acid flashbacks to a past that existed only on the other side of the mirror.


14 posted on 12/25/2010 7:51:09 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Damn it, Jim! I'm a doctor not a race relations Czar in the Obama administration.")
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To: Nachum

What a joke. These two idiots only talk; they don’t reason, analyze or apply. They only talk. And they say whatever it is that useful idiots are supposed to say. I suppose that is worth some mention in the LA Times.


15 posted on 12/25/2010 7:51:27 PM PST by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: Nachum

The Rats in the Senate are currently thinking about eliminating the filibuster so that they can fill as many federal courts with liberals in the two years Obastard has left.


16 posted on 12/25/2010 7:51:56 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Nachum

In what other direction are 2 marxist lesbian pigs to go?


17 posted on 12/25/2010 7:56:43 PM PST by NightOfTheLivingDems
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To: Nachum
Sotomayor, Kagan shift Supreme Court debates to the left

Also just in from the land of the obvious: crap stinks.
18 posted on 12/25/2010 7:57:36 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Westbrook

Good point, but David Souter was a mild and conflict-averse New England Yankee. No one can say the same for the egotistical Sonia Sotomayor, who replaced him.

It’s not that the views of the court have changed, but the tone has and it’s more combative.


19 posted on 12/25/2010 7:58:59 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: sport

Maybe the world you live in.

The world I live in, nothing lasts forever, karma is inescapable law (aka “as you sow, so shall you reap”) and the leftists are doomed. They will fight and claw and kick and scratch and bite.

But if people give up, as you apparently are ready to do right now, they merely assist the evil leftists.

Note my tagline.


20 posted on 12/25/2010 8:00:36 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Frankly, that’s why I wasn’t too upset by their appointments. They replaced libs, but they are inferior intellectually to the libs they replaced. That means the one swing vote, Kennedy, is being influenced by Scalia, Alito, Roberts, and Thomas one our side (monster intellects all) vs Kagan, Sotomayor, and (so dull I can’t recall) on the other.

We win that contest more often than not!


21 posted on 12/25/2010 8:04:42 PM PST by piytar (0's idea of power: the capacity to inflict unlimited pain and suffering on another human being. 1984)
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To: Lmo56
Most of the decisions are made [and possibly persuaded] during private meetings [usually one-on-one] between justices.

There was an interesting special a while back (after the allegedly wise Latina was confirmed) that went behind the scenes at SCOTUS. I believe the justices sit around a table and discuss each case after oral argument, and then depart to write opinions. They pass preliminary opinions to each other and sometimes they change their minds in that process.

I would love to be a fly in the wall in that general meeting. I suspect that as a routine Roberts, Alito, Thomas & Scalia are to Kagan and Sotomayor what Brit Hume is to Juan Williams on Fox News Sunday. In other words, they rip the libs arguments to shreds with ease, leaving them sitting there in fuming silence. The libs vote their feeeeelings and commie viewpoints anyway.
22 posted on 12/25/2010 8:10:49 PM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: calex59

Yes, but the NYT’s is taking enjoyment in the new Justices preening before the cameras more then the ones they replaced. They’ve gone after Scalia many times for his nature but in truth if he’d been a liberal forthrightly and intelligently arguing for the cause he’d have been their favorite Justice. That these two hog camera time makes them happy even if they are nitwits.

I do have a fondness for them though. Neither of them have the ability or it seems desire to strike up a friendship with Kennedy. Neither of them are respectable Justices that are there for merit. As a result Kennedy is more open to persuasion from the conservative members of the court. If Obama were wise he’d have selected Justices Kennedy would respect and like to spend hours away from the court with.


23 posted on 12/25/2010 8:12:00 PM PST by Soul Seeker ( I was there when we had the numbers, but didn’t have the principles.---Jim DeMint)
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To: Nachum

Good! Hopefully with their big mouths, they will fully reveal who they are and what they stand for, all the while repulsing Justice Kennedy.

During oral augments, he will be sitting there thinking - “Damn, these bitches are crazy”, and will tune them out.


24 posted on 12/25/2010 8:12:23 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: LostInBayport

What? Do you mean to imply that there’s some other way to vote, other than one’s feeeelings?


25 posted on 12/25/2010 8:17:02 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sure would like to seek Elena and Sonya's true IQ scores.

Well. there you have it, they don't have a full brain between them. Liberals can and do make a lot of noise but that's about it.

26 posted on 12/25/2010 8:22:44 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Nachum

The smack down that zero delivered to the conservative justices at the state of the union address is not going to help zero when Obama care comes before them.

I believe there will be 5 firm votes against Obama care.


27 posted on 12/25/2010 8:30:05 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: LostInBayport
I believe the justices sit around a table and discuss each case after oral argument, and then depart to write opinions. They pass preliminary opinions to each other and sometimes they change their minds in that process.

Thats just the beginning of the process - after the preliminaries are passed around, they know where they initially stand. Thats when the persuading [politicking] begins. Based on what they saw in each "opinion", one coalition or the other will target whom they believe can be persuaded to change their mind ...

28 posted on 12/25/2010 8:30:58 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...</i><p>)
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To: Nachum
"Scalia wing overshadowed reserved and soft-spoken liberals "

This is not a Vegas show. This is the USSC for criminy sakes.

The balance of the vote has not shifted...but there's a couple of libs on the court that I hope will hang on for just two more years. But, I don't think they will.

I'm thinking Obama will get three. Damnit.

29 posted on 12/25/2010 8:31:59 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Nachum

The wise latina and mama Cass redux-—part of the leftist legacy of the Zero. The old GIGO principle in undeniable full effect.


30 posted on 12/25/2010 8:32:32 PM PST by tflabo
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To: Clintonfatigued
"but the tone has and it’s more combative"

I support televising every USSC deliberation. Every one. They could not vote or deliberate in private...and they would be sworn not to discuss the cases amongst themselves nor via any 1 on 1 communication...without the cameras rolling.

31 posted on 12/25/2010 8:36:36 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Clintonfatigued
David Souter was a mild and conflict-averse New England Yankee.

Ahh yes the Sununu stealth WEASEL Souter grasped firmly to the tassles of aunt Ruthies black robe while on the SC.

32 posted on 12/25/2010 8:38:37 PM PST by tflabo
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To: Nachum

EVERYONE had better pray for the health of Tony Kennedy. and the right side of SCOTUS.

One more left-tard on the Court, replacing Roberts, Thomas, Scalia, Alito or Kennedy...and the nation is doomed judicially.


33 posted on 12/25/2010 8:41:36 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Graybeard58
I believe there will be 5 firm votes against Obama care.

As long as Alito, Roberts, Thomas, Scalia and Kennedy stay alive.

34 posted on 12/25/2010 8:42:40 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: coloradan
What? Do you mean to imply that there’s some other way to vote, other than one’s feeeelings?

There used to be. But that was before liberals, whose brilliance needs no case law, statutory language or Constitution! They take a deep breath of their own smugness, look at the parties, and decide who they like better. That's the winner! Whee! Cue the unicorns defecating Skittles!

(no more egg nog for me)
35 posted on 12/25/2010 8:42:45 PM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Mariner
I'm thinking Obama will get three. Damnit.

Three don't change the composition of the Court - its the fourth [Kennedy] that I'm worried about.

He's [Kennedy] bad enuf as it is - but it would be worse if Obama got the 4th pick ...

36 posted on 12/25/2010 8:43:16 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...</i><p>)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The Rats in the Senate are currently thinking about eliminating the filibuster so that they can fill as many federal courts with liberals in the two years Obastard has left.

What's the bet that the commies succeed.

37 posted on 12/25/2010 8:44:10 PM PST by newfrpr04 (Don)
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To: Nachum

One major difference between the Left and the Right is the Left’s determination to win. The Right likes to pretend it’s trying while selling out the constituency every chance it gets.

The GOP’s faux concern with these two Justices prior to their respective confirmations was simply deceitful and pathetic.

The GOP is full of pretenders.


38 posted on 12/25/2010 8:45:03 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Gene Eric
One major difference between the Left and the Right is the Left’s determination to win.

Yea, they know how to win the game. Sorry to say but my side slinks down to obscurity & will/are eaten to death by the determined. We were given a republic but we couldn't keep it. Turn out the lights the party is over.

39 posted on 12/25/2010 8:52:07 PM PST by newfrpr04 (Don)
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To: Lmo56

Smoke and mirrors. Roberts was put in place for specific strategies. The SCOTUS is not conservative, though it is posed as such, falsely. The court is assiting int he demise of the We The People Republic. Roberts is no conservative, he is an elitist helping to protect barry the bastard’s backside.


40 posted on 12/25/2010 8:54:37 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

We were doomed when Eisenhower appointed Earl Warren. We’re still suffering from that one.

Now it’s just a matter of degree.


41 posted on 12/25/2010 8:55:50 PM PST by delapaz
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To: delapaz
“We were doomed when Eisenhower appointed Earl Warren.”

And then he named William Brennan who haunted us seemingly forever. Then Nixon named Blackmun, Ford named Stevens, and Bush named Souter.

With those appointments, who needs the Democrats? Although theirs are always goose stepping one hundred percent dependably communist, otherwise known as “moderates” in the press.

42 posted on 12/25/2010 9:00:17 PM PST by Luke21
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To: newfrpr04

They will also have to change the rules for getting a nominee out of committee which requires that at least one member of the opposing party vote to bring the nominee to the full Senate. They know that liberal judges can do increase the damage by upholding their unconstitutional laws.


43 posted on 12/25/2010 9:00:27 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: newfrpr04
What's the bet that the commies succeed.

Actually, slim to none. The saner heads [if there are such things] in the DEM Party realize that someday they won't be in power. Then, as they say, payback is a bitch ...

44 posted on 12/25/2010 9:02:28 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...</i><p>)
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To: Nachum

If this government, including the courts, go any further left they’re going to fall off the edge of the planet.


45 posted on 12/25/2010 9:06:07 PM PST by EternalVigilance (I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican. I'm a Christian and an American.)
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To: Nachum

It doesn’t take that much intellectual fire power to say: “We’re the liberals on the supreme court. We can do whatever we want. We don’t care if it’s not in the Constitution. We think it’s a good idea and that’s that.”

That’s the essential argument of the left in every really bad decision they have made for the last 50 years.


46 posted on 12/25/2010 9:06:29 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It's almost unthinkable how much power has accrued to the state over various courts and administrations. Can a couple more liberals on the court have much impact? What aspect of my life will be affected by more government intrusion into areas already polluted by the state? Abortion? Gun ownership? Private property rights? Taxes? Borders?

If anything, I hold-out hope that Sotomeyer or Kagan might just blow-up in Obama's face and one or both of these appointments just might see the imbalance that has occurred and take the side of the little guy (or states) for a change. If they don't, I'm still screwed and all doesn't end well, anyway.

47 posted on 12/25/2010 9:41:06 PM PST by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: calex59
Horse sh**. The people they replaced were already as left as they could get. It is still 5-4.

Exactly! And if Ginsburg is replaced by an Obama nominee, we are not worse off either.

48 posted on 12/25/2010 9:46:02 PM PST by Aroostook25
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To: piytar

Are you trying to recall the whiny little ACLU lawyer Ginsberg?


49 posted on 12/25/2010 9:48:28 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Somebody please tell me why Kennedy is called a “conservative”.

In a blatant piece of activist judging, he wrote the majority opinion that gave captured foreign terrorists habeas corpus rights. In a landmark eminent domain case, he voted to give some citizen’s house away to a developer on the grounds that it would produce more tax revenue. You could be more conservative than that and be in Obama’s cabinet.


50 posted on 12/25/2010 9:52:14 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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