Skip to comments.Fury over 'gay'-ban repeal
Posted on 12/27/2010 1:38:02 PM PST by scripter
Numerous service members, veterans and concerned citizens have written WND to express their fury about the repeal of the military's ban on open homosexuality. We encourage readers, especially those on active duty, to let us know what you think about allowing open homosexuality in the military and how you plan to respond to the new policy. Following are excerpts from selected letters arranged by topic:
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The military will end up with a bunch of pansies. The order you’ll hear most often is “Run, Percy, Run!”
You can say that the military has no freedom of religion now....and no freedom of conscious—violations of the fundamental principle of this nation. Government will force “reeducation” clinics that will forbid Christians and Jews their belief system.
The idea that people have to acknowledge and accept destructive behavior as a “good”, denies them their fundamental religious rights. The fact that “right and wrong” according to our Constitution was based on the Bible and Natural Law Theory makes this particularly egregious.
There is no way under Natural Law that homosexuality can ever be anything more than a behavior choice and a bad one at most. Morality is all about deciding good and bad behavior and Natural Law was that basis. Cicero said that laws that go against Natural Law and God’s Laws are unjust. Locke thoroughly agreed.
This repeal is unjust and illegal according to our Constitution and 1st Amendment Rights.
although we have always been a military family, no longer will we be. I refuse to have my young people subjected to moral breakdow in the military, sodomy, Godlessness and the diseases which goes with it.
Wait to real stories about the “sensitivity” training start to come out.
Huh...I thought they didn’t care...according to a ‘survey’
That is not what he said.
Start watching at 5:14 minutes
Thank you for posting this - I am extremely busy today and can’t really do any pinging. Just maintaining a bit of contact with FR via one of many open windows.
Here’s links to a few articles explaining why homosexuals are detrimental to military readiness and moral, in case anyone needs any ammo:
Ten Reasons to Oppose an LGBT Law or Policy for the Military
The Center for Military Readiness ^
Senate Testimony: European Militaries Are Not Role Models for U.S.
The Center for Military Readiness ^ | 3/22/2010
Rates of Homosexual Assault in the Military Are Disproportionately High
In Support the 1993 Law Stating that Homosexuals are not Eligible to Serve in the Military
CMR ^ | July 23, 2008 | Elaine Donnelly
THE REAL PENTAGON POLL: 91% OF SERVICE MEMBERS REJECT HOMOSEXUAL LEADERS - 1 IN 4 WOULD QUIT
MILITARY: Marines lead opposition to repeal of dont ask, dont tell
Mullen: Troops Who Balk at Change in Gay Service Policy Can Find Other Work
Part of the problem is nobody in power wants to discuss the facts.
Let the consciousness raising begin.
Weakness is just as bad if not worse in a sense, than outright evil.
THE REAL PENTAGON POLL: 91% OF SERVICE MEMBERS REJECT HOMOSEXUAL LEADERS - 1 IN 4 WOULD QUIT
MILITARY: Marines lead opposition to repeal of dont ask, dont tell
Oh it will happen...when I was in the service, in the 1970s, 80s and 90s..we had what we called HumRel ( human relations training) and you can guess what that was all about..it had to do with race relations.
Cultural Marxism is finally finishing off the Christian paradigm that existed in the United States for hundreds of years. The German philosophers destroyed the Christian paradigm in Europe and brought this nihilism to America to destroy the two things that made us independent and free: Family and Christianity.
This is intentional to kill America. We will cease being good and exceptional and evolve into the pagan, atheists hell on earth. The Weimar Republic was an example of this orgastic homosexualism that led to the SS troops and the brutality that can only emanate from godless, immorality—homosexuality.
It was the pagan paradigm in Greek and Rome that led to rampant pederasty and second class citizenship for women and slavery.
It is evil, plain and simple, and I thank God my son got out before that Marxist-in Chief took office. Godless atheists all out to destroy this country and create a one-world-government utopia (for only those ruling elite few, of course). The stupid useful idiots will all be serfs.
How I loved our military and Patton. My father was in WWII, my brothers in Vietnam and son in Afghanistan. My 2nd cousin fought with Patton. I spit on that Marxist in Chief. They are ruining a moral military—one which has surpassed all other militaries because of the Christianity that dominated. Patton was made ill by the atheist Russian military and the Odin-worshipping homosexual SS troops who used boys in the Hitler Youth. I won’t even get into the Greek pederasty and initiating young boys into their homosexual military. Absolutely sick, evil cultures.
The Church has already spoken to the issue specifically as recently as July 22, 1992 when the the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith issued this revised document. Here is an excerpt; Note: #11.
10. "Sexual orientation" does not constitute a quality comparable to race, ethnic background, etc. in respect to non-discrimination. Unlike these, homosexual orientation is an objective disorder (cf. "Letter," No. 3) and evokes moral concern.
11. There are areas in which it is not unjust discrimination to take sexual orientation into account, for example, in the placement of children for adoption or foster care, in employment of teachers or athletic coaches, and in military recruitment.
12. Homosexual persons, as human persons, have the same rights as all persons including the right of not being treated in a manner which offends their personal dignity (cf. No. 10). Among other rights, all persons have the right to work, to housing, etc. Nevertheless, these rights are not absolute. They can be legitimately limited for objectively disordered external conduct. This is sometimes not only licit but obligatory. This would obtain moreover not only in the case of culpable behavior but even in the case of actions of the physically or mentally ill. Thus it is accepted that the state may restrict the exercise of rights, for example, in the case of contagious or mentally ill persons, in order to protect the common good.
13. Including "homosexual orientation" among the considerations on the basis of which it is illegal to discriminate can easily lead to regarding homosexuality as a positive source of human rights, for example, in respect to so-called affirmative action or preferential treatment in hiring practices. This is all the more deleterious since there is no right to homosexuality (cf. No. 10) which therefore should not form the basis for judicial claims. The passage from the recognition of homosexuality as a factor on which basis it is illegal to discriminate can easily lead, if not automatically, to the legislative protection and promotion of homosexuality. A person's homosexuality would be invoked in opposition to alleged discrimination, and thus the exercise of rights would be defended precisely via the affirmation of the homosexual condition instead of in terms of a violation of basic human rights.
14. The "sexual orientation" of a person is not comparable to race, sex, age, etc. also for another reason than that given above which warrants attention. An individual's sexual orientation is generally not known to others unless he publicly identifies himself as having this orientation or unless some overt behavior manifests it. As a rule, the majority of homosexually oriented persons who seek to lead chaste lives do not publicize their sexual orientation. Hence the problem of discrimination in terms of employment, housing, etc., does not usually arise.
Homosexual persons who assert their homosexuality tend to be precisely those who judge homosexual behavior or lifestyle to be "either completely harmless, if not an entirely good thing" (cf. No. 3), and hence worthy of public approval. It is from this quarter that one is more likely to find those who seek to "manipulate the church by gaining the often well-intentioned support of her pastors with a view to changing civil statutes and laws" (cf. No. 5), those who use the tactic of protesting that "any and all criticism of or reservations about homosexual people ... are simply diverse forms of unjust discrimination" (cf. No. 9).
In addition, there is a danger that legislation which would make homosexuality a basis for entitlements could actually encourage a person with a homosexual orientation to declare his homosexuality or even to seek a partner in order to exploit the provisions of the law.
15. Since in the assessment of proposed legislation uppermost concern should be given to the responsibility to defend and promote family life (cf. No. 17), strict attention should be paid to the single provisions of proposed measures. How would they affect adoption or foster care? Would they protect homosexual acts, public or private? Do they confer equivalent family status on homosexual unions, for example, in respect to public housing or by entitling the) homosexual partner to the privileges of employment which could include such things as "family" participation in the health benefits given to employees (cf. No. 9)?
16. Finally, where a matter of the common good is concerned, it is inappropriate for church authorities to endorse or remain neutral toward adverse legislation even if it grants exceptions to church organizations and institutions. The church has the responsibility to promote family life and the public morality of the entire civil society on the basis of fundamental moral values, not simply to protect herself from the application of harmful laws (cf. No. 17).
The Catholic Church might seize the opportunity making inroads in this important new community and install the patron saint of interior design.
LOL!... It's incredible isn't it... As my tagline says... THEIR SILENCE is so absolute that it's actually impossible not to notice. This is the church that scared the heck out of me for not going to mass on Sundays, or having "impure" thoughts about a woman... and THEN all this sh**t happens and reveal the real characterLESS - I should day - of this church.
Wait that they come out asking us to accept "amnesty" or some other "moral" crap of theirs and they will find my door on their faces!
Protest with your wallet. Whenever politicians call wanting money, my answer is “As a veteran,Not one cent,all my money is going to the defeat of any Republican that voted for this. Semper Fidelis
The military will end up with a bunch of pansies.
That is exactly the goal, isn’t it? They want to destroy the warrior culture, so that our military is weakened.
See post 9.
The military will end up with more lesbians. I don’t think too many queers will be joining up.
See posts 9 and 19.
Thank you for your service, sir.
Any classes designed to change the minds of military members about their religious beliefs will be unconstitutional.
Some soldier required to undergo such classes should immediately sue on grounds of first amendment violation of both “make no law” and “free exercise” provisions of that amendment.
First, requiring a Christian soldier’s presence at a “violate their religious beliefs” meeting is the government saying that their religion is wrong and that they are required attend a class to change those beliefs. They are to be reprogrammed away from historic Christianity.
Second, if Christian soldiers’ religious beliefs require them to be honest about the homosexual practice & lifestyle, and if that honesty will get them censured or professionally injured, then their free exercise is violated.
Christianity is NOT ONLY attending a gathering to listen to praying, preaching, and singing. It is a lifestyle.
The repeal of DADT, if one thinks about it is saying: “Christian citizens not welcome if they actually believe according to the tenets of historic Christianity.”
This nation has been called upon to decide between Christians and homosexuals.
mind boggling that the most Catholic part of this country being the north east is where it is the most liberal/
If every Priest spoke out every week to their congregation about the homosexual agenda and killing babies then some of the dopes elected and their voters might wake the hell up.
The Pope needs to get a memo out to every Priest telling them to mention this and that those who are in power do not stand with the Catholic religion.
already done it and have told those who never voted, those who voted for it and those cowardly talk show hosts like Hannity that they have let many of us down and they should never say they stand with us, our troops, vets or the military again.
When we need a voice they stayed silent to protect their money income and not to be called a name off the hateful left.
It wasn't all that long ago that anyone admitting homosexual activity would be denied a security clearance.
Hannity and Rush are CBTSTA - Conservatives Because They Say They Are.
Very true. I still await the day where in some courtroom a case prompted by those who litigate in support of an argument premised in the assumed status of a "homosexual being" is dismissed with prejudice due to the litigants having no standing in that the assumption of "homosexual being" is not proven nor a historically recognized status.
In essence, homosexual sex participation is open to all and is not some immutable characteristic that identifies a class of individuals...
Yes, but it also comes under Natural Law and God’s Laws which is in our Declaration of Independence. Homosexuality goes against Natural Law and God’s Laws. It can be easily proven. According to our Founders, Locke, Thomas Aquinas, Cicero and Aristotle—all who were the foremost experts in Natural Law Theory—it is a Marxist lie to equate that behavior to some enshrined protected behavior. It denies freedom of conscious when force of government is used. Cicero stated that laws that go against Natural Law are unjust. He is right and this military repeal is unjust and unconstitutional.
What the Marxist-in-Chief is doing is changing our paradigm of “right and wrong” to create a godless paradigm of “good and evil”. That slippery slope will lead to the Weimar Republic. We have God as not only the creator of our rights, but the definer of “good and evil”. Bambi destroys that paradigm; he controls what rights we are allowed. God is not allowed. SO UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!
If homosexuality can be a “good” you have to say all sexual orientations are a “good”—such as beastiality, incest and pederasty. If you allow no moral judgement for behaviors then nothing can be evil.
He is denying Christian/Jewish ideology in one swish. It is insane, but then that is Marxism—the Big Lie. Our country was based on Natural Law Theory. Marxism denies Natural Law. Bambi is a Marxist and wants to destroy this country—the military is his biggest coup. We will be like the Jews facing the homosexual, immoral Odin-worshipping SS Jackboots if we allow our military to descend into the morality of the sewer. Sickening. An immoral military is dangerous to their own citizens. Of course, Bambi wants an immoral military to do his bidding against freedom-loving Christians. He wants his internal, immoral military.
We are being turned into a communist atheist country which denies freedom of the belief in God. It is unconstitutional.
I have though about this long and hard. I truly believe that many, a majority, are against the homosexual agenda; however, as I am sure you are aware it is not a cake walk to oppose those promoting the agenda. Those who promote the homosexual agenda may or may not be aware that they promote evil and that there are some activists who are in their midst that are just plain evil themselves. These people will stop at nothing to shut up opposition -they will lie, cheat, steal, threaten, and even do violence to shut people up... I would suggest that many are quite because they do not want the anguish.
Anyway, one thing I thought about was that many of these silent people do not have the knowledge necessary to combat the lies and propaganda -in essence, they are unarmed YET many wonder why they do not enter the battlefield?
I would suggest that it might be more effective to send these people the 'ammunition' -arm them with knowledge. It would be more effective in recruiting their participation than simply calling them cowards in my opinion...
As well -where are the leaders? This is a crisis and I wonder where are the point men in the public to engage in discourse? IF for instance Rush or Hannity will not address specifically the issue or voice the arguments THEN why not report on the arguments and or have guests that voice the arguments?
There are many ways to skin the homosexual cat in the pink hat...
All they have to do is have a couple of people on discussing the issue, show the likes of Folsom fair etc.
Sometimes, attraction of one male to another male’s distal GI tract, to young boys, to animals, and siblings, must be suppressed; we can also include the desire to take another’s property, life or whatever else seems attractive. People harbor a myriad of thoughts and attractions that must be suppressed for the stability of society. The “I was born that way” excuse just doesn’t cut it when it comes to perversion, crime, and unhealthy behavior.
No, I actually lost faith in the RCC - EVEN with this pope - This institution is a HYPOCRITICAL institution that does not practice what it preaches.
I can see how this church (using their power as the famous Boston Cardinal just recently - what ever his shitty name is... ) who actually threatened and intimidated the poor abused kids and families to keep them quiet) were able to keep control of their dishonest behavior through out history... unfortunately for them, communications today, finally caught up with them.
The same could be said about America right now and many of its institutions e.g. the military.
Do you blame the military -do you blame the many authentic for the few illegitimate? Institutions are perverted by people.
You have to look beyond the perversion and beyond the perverts to see what is good and what is that which they can not pervert -what is that to place your faith in and what is that which will restore the institution.
When I look at the Church I see the deposit of Faith -His teachings, His word -that is the Church.
When I look at America I see the self evident -the declaration of Faith and the observance of His Word as supreme and unalienable -premise for authentic and legitimate freedom and self determination all codified in the Constitution.
In my opinion, confusing the good with the bad -throwing out the baby with the bath water assists evil more than it opposes it...
But could I say Airborne or DOL instead?
OK with me, already argued Semper Fi, Airborne, Recon, and the rest years ago at Ranger school. Never win, except straight leg Army caught hell.
I just hope that folks will continue to support our military as an institution. The military is critically important to the protection of everything else we cherish.
This has been happening to Teachers for years.
Sure but Islam will not only be honored, but promoted. Islam can never swear allegiance to the Constitution, so why doesn't someone ask that question?
Because they don’t believe in God either and the Communists are using them to destroy us also. They will have no problem wiping mecca out when they are no longer useful idiots.
Look, I'm just going to respond once to this and let the chips fall where they may.
As much as I love what the Military tradition in this country - I don't put them at the same level of the RCC (very specific I'm being). I was raised Catholic and I thought the WORLD of the institution. It shaped my life since I was a baby practically and so those are my feelings.
But anyone can think whatever they want on the subject since we are in a free country (still/s)
Yet remember the institution is not just the clergy, the institution is us, the community, the family that is The Church
I thought you were a woman?!
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