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Prostitution and Pornography Are Not Victimless Crimes; They Are Slavery
David Horowitz's NewsReal Blog ^ | Lisa Richards

Posted on 12/27/2010 2:39:52 PM PST by Michael van der Galien

Many people consider prostitution and pornography victimless crimes. This excuse deems both as sanctioned or permitted sex between two consenting adults. If this is true, why are many women and children trafficked and forced into sexual slavery? Why are many prostitutes victims of violent physical abuse and murder by those they work for? Further, if porn and prostitution are victimless crimes, why does the porn industry have an HIV/AIDS problem?

Those who view prostitution and porn as harmless sexual pleasure, say it’s no different than a man taking a woman out to dinner, spending the evening getting to know her as a potential girlfriend, and winding up in bed having sex. That is no different than paying a prostitute for the night? Every excuse is used to reach as far as possible in order to unearth more ways to declare porn and prostitution harmless and victimless.

Many consider prostitution and porn non-criminal, yet decry America’s history of slavery. What about sex slavery, which prostitution promotes? What about human trafficking, the selling of women and children’s bodies: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Despite evidence, some call the industry empowering to women. Unless, of course, hookers and female porn stars receive less pay then men. In November, Salon quoted radical feminist Amanda Marcotte as saying:

The idea behind the ‘porn is empowering!’ argument is that women who work in porn gain power in a pragmatic way, playing by men’s rules, and feminists should support this for pragmatic reasons, because at the end of the day, women have more real power. And that would be a legitimate argument if the women involved had more power at the end of the day.

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1 posted on 12/27/2010 2:39:53 PM PST by Michael van der Galien
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To: Michael van der Galien

Taxation is slavery, too.


2 posted on 12/27/2010 2:40:31 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Michael van der Galien

While disgusting and degrading, the blanket use of the term “slavery” is pure hyperbole.


3 posted on 12/27/2010 2:43:10 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: Michael van der Galien

“because at the end of the day, women have more real power”

As that Jeremy guy said in the film “Orgazmo”, essentially - porn exploits men, porn exploits women - porn exploits people.


4 posted on 12/27/2010 2:43:10 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Capitol Hill operator 866-727-4894 toll free. Just say which Representative/Senator you want to spea)
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To: Brilliant

Blogpimping is also viewed as a victimless crime.


5 posted on 12/27/2010 2:43:30 PM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: humblegunner

Bwahahahaha ... but then Pablo is very wily, still!


6 posted on 12/27/2010 2:44:42 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Michael van der Galien

Porn isn’t “empowering”, “liberating”, or any of the other BS. It is not, however, slavery.


7 posted on 12/27/2010 2:47:53 PM PST by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: Michael van der Galien
hookers and female porn stars receive less pay then men.

Actually women are paid more per film than men. No data available on pay equity for hookers.

8 posted on 12/27/2010 2:47:53 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Eat moer DUCK! War Eagle!!!!)
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To: Michael van der Galien

bump


9 posted on 12/27/2010 2:48:25 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: humblegunner
>> Blogpimping is also viewed as a victimless crime. <<

I beg to differ. I have retained an attorney and we will file a class action lawsuit against blogpimps. The popups and cookies on their petty little blogs are traumatizing.

10 posted on 12/27/2010 2:48:35 PM PST by OwenKellogg (We need a Tea Party to welcome the new congress and remind them how they got there.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Some are trying now - with Wikileaks, and the Porn argument to take control of the internet - IT WILL FAIL!


11 posted on 12/27/2010 2:51:30 PM PST by jd777
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Using the bodies of other people as a means to an end is pretty much the definition of slavery. And despite industry propaganda, prostitutes and porn performers are almost never involved in these trades as a matter of a free, uncoerced decision.


12 posted on 12/27/2010 2:53:13 PM PST by wideawake
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To: OwenKellogg
I beg to differ. I have retained an attorney and we will file a class action lawsuit against blogpimps. The popups and cookies on their petty little blogs are traumatizing.

Case dismissed yer jackwagon. Use your POPUP blocker yer pervert. Tissue?

13 posted on 12/27/2010 2:55:27 PM PST by hflynn
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To: wideawake

.....still not “slavery”.


14 posted on 12/27/2010 2:55:27 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: MHGinTN

Pablo never sleeps.


15 posted on 12/27/2010 2:56:11 PM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: Michael van der Galien
ON/OFF

Just a reminder. There is a switch.....

16 posted on 12/27/2010 2:56:34 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

I agree with him and disagree with you.


17 posted on 12/27/2010 2:57:16 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: hflynn
Use your POPUP blocker yer pervert. Tissue?

Or the material could just be posted here.

Why would that be such a problem?

18 posted on 12/27/2010 2:58:03 PM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

It’s slavery on the group installment plan, as opposed to the historic tradition of slavery as a matter of individual lifetime ownership.


19 posted on 12/27/2010 2:58:44 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Michael van der Galien

Aren’t most prostitutes and porn gals come from families w/ sexual abuse?

I’m not saying all, but a majority of them do. I think it is sad.


20 posted on 12/27/2010 2:58:52 PM PST by NoGrayZone (What we conservatives call the privates, the liberals call public access! (thnx Balding_Eagle)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Never saw that movie. Is it any good at all?


21 posted on 12/27/2010 2:59:18 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: kabumpo

How is it slavery then?


22 posted on 12/27/2010 2:59:43 PM PST by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: Psycho_Bunny

As long as any women and children are trafficked for prostitution and pornography then it is part and parcel of the slave trade and the end users are complicit in that slave trafficking.


23 posted on 12/27/2010 3:00:28 PM PST by Valpal1 ("The two enemies of the people are criminals and government..." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Valpal1

I hope you don’t own any diamonds, because your argument can be used against those too.


24 posted on 12/27/2010 3:02:47 PM PST by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: hflynn

Yellow makes me sad.


25 posted on 12/27/2010 3:09:26 PM PST by OwenKellogg (We need a Tea Party to welcome the new congress and remind them how they got there.)
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To: humblegunner

He was channeling Ermy ... let him role!


26 posted on 12/27/2010 3:11:21 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: wideawake

“And despite industry propaganda, prostitutes and porn performers are almost never involved in these trades as a matter of a free, uncoerced decision.”

Your assertion is nonsense. There is a sharp distinction between the coerced part of the sex business and the uncoerced part. I think that the uncoerced part is much larger than the coerced part. Many women choose the sex industry for a variety of reasons, many enticed by the opportunity for large incomes and easy work. There is plenty of evicence to support my assertion. Law enforcement resources should be focused on the coerced part of the industry. I support legalization with conditions on the uncoerced part of the industry. I am skeptical that legalization will work as intended because politicians are likely to see the industry as an easy tax target. Women in the industry would like work outside of the legal part if taxes and regulations become onerous.


27 posted on 12/27/2010 3:11:37 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

It is slavery because you are unable to override the desire using common sense and wisdom.

That slavish need and desire will control your body to the extent that it leads to death, disease, and destruction of all healthy relationships that make life meaningful. In thrall to base desires is slavery of a sort. It is just the definition of master that is confusing.


28 posted on 12/27/2010 3:12:53 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: Michael van der Galien

Prostitution would be victimless and not even a crime if it were legalised.

There are plenty of women who would take up the profession of the own free will.

It is a crime with victims because it is illegal.

Legal prostitution with drug tests and tests for STD, permits and taxes on earnings, with legal protection against creeps instead of relying on pimps would o away with most problems of prostitution.

It is hard to believe that America will accept homosexual sex and marriage, and will fight against a woman and man in a consentual relationship because there is money involved.


29 posted on 12/27/2010 3:13:04 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Michael van der Galien
It all comes down to the answer to the question of "WHO OWNS ME"? If it is society, then society has a right to tell me what to do with my own body. Govt would need to exist in a form that would control each person for their own good, or better yet, for the good of the society. If by chance I am a sovereign, owning myself, and owing no one but God a life lived fully, then that would seem to be the basis for a Constitutional Republic. If I do no harm to another, what right does a society or a govt have to imprison or fine me?

If a govt wants to stretch the meaning of "harm" to include hurt feelings, broken hearts, or "contact sin" another form of govt, essentially a patriarchy needs to be in force. For my part, I'll take a govt that allows people to live freely as long as they do not DIRECTLY harm me.

30 posted on 12/27/2010 3:14:51 PM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
While disgusting and degrading, the blanket use of the term “slavery” is pure hyperbole.

10000% correct!!

31 posted on 12/27/2010 3:15:55 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Not so, Psycho Bunny.

There is an extremely dark and horrifying aspect of the "sex trade" which prostitutes young children. The average "hooker" is 12-14 years old, broken in by abusive parents or taken off the street and forced into it by gangs (after being gang raped and drugged up).

That constitutes slavery.

32 posted on 12/27/2010 3:16:01 PM PST by TheWriterTX (Buy Ammo Often)
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To: savagesusie

Well I disagree, unless it’s done without consent of the person involved. There *are* moral arguments against pornography and it does have a detrimental effect on someone’s life but that doesn’t mean the government should act as a “mommy”.


33 posted on 12/27/2010 3:16:45 PM PST by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: Echo4C
I hope you don’t own any diamonds, because your argument can be used against those too.

If you think about it, they can, but you're supposed to be too outraged to think.

34 posted on 12/27/2010 3:19:28 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: wideawake

Using the bodies of other people as a means to an end is pretty much the definition of slavery. And despite industry propaganda, prostitutes and porn performers are almost never involved in these trades as a matter of a free, uncoerced decision.


Do you think that typists and janitors are also essentially slaves, because the jobs they were forced to choose are also relatively crappy?

There are excellent points to make against prostitution and porn, but none are found in your post.


35 posted on 12/27/2010 3:29:49 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: TheWriterTX

Then maybe the article should limit its claims to coerced child prostitution.


36 posted on 12/27/2010 3:32:49 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure
The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog.
--G.K. Chesterton
37 posted on 12/27/2010 3:35:31 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: mgstarr

Sweet quote, bro. Now how does that invalidate my post?


38 posted on 12/27/2010 3:37:14 PM PST by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: Echo4C

I agree, one should be very careful in ascertaining the provenance of diamonds or not wear them.

Human trafficking is modern-day slavery through labor or commercial sexual exploitation in pornography and prostitution. Women and children are the most frequent victims.

Numerous studies paint the same picture. Demand is high and trafficking is very lucrative.


39 posted on 12/27/2010 3:37:22 PM PST by Valpal1 ("The two enemies of the people are criminals and government..." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Beelzebubba

Relative degrees of “crappiness” were not part of my argument. You imported that notion. I’m sure that there are prostitutes who live lives of luxury and culture that no janitor could imagine - just as there were some antebellum slaves who lived in posh, urban accommodations that rural tenant farmers could not aspire to. It’s a matter of principle, not perks.


40 posted on 12/27/2010 3:38:37 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

It doesn’t - it was actually in support, albeit from a slightly different angle.


41 posted on 12/27/2010 3:40:29 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: mgstarr

lol Ok sorry about that.


42 posted on 12/27/2010 3:41:52 PM PST by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: Michael van der Galien
Those who view prostitution and porn as harmless sexual pleasure, say it’s no different than a man taking a woman out to dinner, spending the evening getting to know her as a potential girlfriend, and winding up in bed having sex. That is no different than paying a prostitute for the night?

There is no difference. It's all sinful.

43 posted on 12/27/2010 3:43:30 PM PST by donna (Imagine...women who honor men enough not to tempt them.)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

I agree whole-heartedly. I wasn’t advocating government interference.

Religion is the traditional method of addressing morality. Of course, obscenity has never been legal in this country because it demeans human beings and we were founded under the Christian paradigm. This degradation when allowed in public where young children are exposed to the demeaning of the body and sex, such as in the Weimar Republic, leads to a degradation that escalates into elimination, abortion and disregard for human life.

There is a reason why moral Christian people fought to end slavery (Wilberforce) and do great things in society. Societies flourished in all areas during moral revivals. It usually creates more freedom and rights and economic prosperity because of trust and loyalty.

The Founders knew that morality was essential for a free populous. When you demean people—make them into nothing but a commodity—you make it that much easier to kill them. That is what the Germans did to the Jews.

It is the slippery slope argument that has always proven true. Demeaning depiction of women and men reduce them to animals. That is Karl Marx’s idea—to destroy the natural family and create discord between all human beings to create no family loyalty and support so everyone would look to government for nanny care. No morality delivers the populous to Karl. He despised Christianity because it created respect for every individual and every life and created independence where there is no master but God. It is the American ideal.


44 posted on 12/27/2010 3:46:43 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: wally_bert

No. It’s a movie the makers of south park did right out of college.


45 posted on 12/27/2010 3:48:00 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Capitol Hill operator 866-727-4894 toll free. Just say which Representative/Senator you want to spea)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

Simply meant to show that there’s a dark side to freedom, that people can do things that are morally objectionable and personally damaging. They should still be free to make choices.

I don’t believe that the majority of porn actors/actresses are in some sort of forced servitude nor were they coerced into it to start. Less so with prostitution but I doubt the majority.

If someone has validated stats to the contrary, I’d be interested.


46 posted on 12/27/2010 3:50:17 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: TheWriterTX
Yes there is child prostitution. Anyone who is involved in that trade should be punished severely.

As far as the "average hooker" being under 15, please point us to the source for that assertion.

47 posted on 12/27/2010 3:50:23 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Imagine the parade to celebrate victory in the WoT. What security measures would we need??)
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To: Valpal1

I think you misunderstand. Ascertaining where the diamonds come from doesn’t matter according to your argument. Anyone who consumes pornography is complicit in the slave trade, even if the porn that’s being consumed comes from a legit source.

This is the same of the diamond trade. It doesn’t matter that the diamonds you buy come from legit sources, it’s the fact that you’re buying diamonds at all that keeps demand high. There would be no desire for conflict diamonds if there was no desire for any diamonds. So consuming any diamonds, even legit ones, makes one complicit in the conflict diamond trade. At least, according to your argument against pornography.


48 posted on 12/27/2010 3:51:11 PM PST by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Beelzebubba

“Slaves are much happier if you refer to them as employees.”
Karl Marx

I don’t know if that quote was actually made my him but I saw that reference the other day.

All the best!


49 posted on 12/27/2010 3:55:25 PM PST by bosshog (The Dragon Lady isn't fast but she flies really HIGH!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
While disgusting and degrading, the blanket use of the term “slavery” is pure hyperbole.

Given the volume of sex trafficking involved in prostitution, I'd say you're wrong.

50 posted on 12/27/2010 3:59:55 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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