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This Christmas, for perhaps the first time ever, Britain is a majority non-religious nation
Guardian ^ | December 24, 2010

Posted on 12/27/2010 3:27:07 PM PST by NYer

Every year, researchers from the British Social Attitudes survey ask a representative sample of British people whether they regard themselves as belonging to any particular religion and, if so, to which one? When the survey first asked these questions in 1985, 63% of the respondents answered that they were Christians, compared with 34% who said they had no religion (the rest belonged to non-Christian religions).

Today, a quarter of a century on, there has been a steady and remarkable turnaround. In the latest 2010 BSA report, published earlier this month, only 42% said they were Christians while 51% now say they have no religion. Admittedly, some other surveys – including the last census – have produced different findings on these issues, usually to the advantage of the religious option. There is also a margin of error in all such exercises. All the same, and particularly since the trends in opinion over time seem well set, it is hard not to feel that this latest finding marks a cultural watershed.

This Christmas, for perhaps the first time ever, Britain is a majority non-religious nation. Most of us have probably seen this moment coming, but it is a substantial event nonetheless. It is undoubtedly a development that would have astonished our ancestors who built a Britain on the basis that we were and would remain a predominantly Protestant people. The victory of secularism would have flabbergasted them almost as much as the pope appearing on the BBC with his Thought for the Day.

The change ought certainly to inspire some national reflection, though there is no need for national breast-beating. After all, the BSA survey finding simply underscores things that have already become obvious.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 2010polls; christianity; christophobia; failbritannia; religion; secularization; trends

1 posted on 12/27/2010 3:27:08 PM PST by NYer
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To: NYer

Almost 50 years ago, Lennon predicted: “Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn’t argue with that; I’m right and I will be proved right.”


2 posted on 12/27/2010 3:30:10 PM PST by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
What is more striking about the survey is how quickly the change has come – just a generation. It is not that long since everything shut on Sundays, since a majority went regularly to church of some sort, since all schoolchildren knew and sang hymns and studied the Bible even if they did not believe in it, and since the idea that public figures could be anything other than observantly Christian would have seemed unthinkable. It would be hard to say, by most yardsticks, that those were better times. They were certainly different ones. The direction of change is likely to continue. We must all get used to it.

The same is true here in the US. I still recall when here in the US, Sunday was a day for family - worship and dinner. Stores were closed; sports were not held on Sunday. How much longer before our nation is similarly categorized.

3 posted on 12/27/2010 3:30:24 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

No matter...Londonistan will soon have a Muslim majority


4 posted on 12/27/2010 3:30:39 PM PST by O6ret (for)
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What do our Birtish cousins worship? Alien masonic lizards?
5 posted on 12/27/2010 3:31:25 PM PST by Milhous (Lev 19:18 Love your neighbor as yourself.)
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To: NYer

This single survey is suspect — even the Commie Guardian newspaper admits it is contradicted by other survyes. Yet, they trumpet it as final, firm and convincing proof that more people are not religious than are religious. That alone makes me even more suspect. This article is way to triumphant at secularism crushing Christianity.


6 posted on 12/27/2010 3:33:56 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: NYer

Britain has carved it’s own hell on earth.

The muslims are delighted, however.


7 posted on 12/27/2010 3:36:42 PM PST by IbJensen ("How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think"-A. Hitler)
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To: NYer

The end of the British royalty is in sight.


8 posted on 12/27/2010 3:39:17 PM PST by citizencon
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To: duckworth

Lennon’s dead and I’m sure regretting a very many things right now.


9 posted on 12/27/2010 3:39:27 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: NYer

Islam will fix that!


10 posted on 12/27/2010 3:44:59 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: duckworth

Almost 50 years ago, Lennon predicted:

So did Lenin...


11 posted on 12/27/2010 3:46:29 PM PST by jessduntno ("'How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." - Adolph Hitler)
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To: WashingtonSource
... secularism crushing Christianity.

Christianity will never be crushed, it grows exponentially during times of oppression. Christianity will be victorious, our Lord is King of Kings, Lord of Lords and every knee shall bow and every tougue confess...that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

12 posted on 12/27/2010 3:47:22 PM PST by brushcop (CW4 Matthew Lourey CW2 Joshua Scott/ Kiowa pilots KIA Iraq '05. Thank you for our son's life.)
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To: NYer

While the UK is busy obliterating itself there are more Christians on earth today than ever before in history. Reports of the demise of Christianity are greatly exaggerated by the wishful thinkers of the Left.


13 posted on 12/27/2010 3:55:08 PM PST by MeganC (January 20, 2013 - President Sarah Palin)
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To: duckworth
Almost 50 years ago, Lennon predicted: “Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn’t argue with that; I’m right and I will be proved right.”

John? Astonishing. I am sorry I ever bought any of his albums.

14 posted on 12/27/2010 3:58:25 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: duckworth

He understood the Postmodern German philosophy which as Nietzsche stated correctly before 1890 meant “God is Dead!” It is intentional injection of atheism into culture—the media and curricula of schools. The insertion of moral relativism, Darwinism, Marxism destroys the ability to believe in moral absolutes. No moral absolutes—no Bible. It is quite simple.

Nietzsche understood the consequence of the intentional destruction of Christianity—he predicted Lenin, Stalin, HItler, Mao, Pot. He knew that destruction would create a moral vacuum—an abyss.

Of course, Lenin and the Marxists desired the destruction so they could step into the chaos and grab control and create international communism.

No morality=no freedom. Our Founders knew the necessity of a moral people with Christian morality the basis of our government. To destroy that Christian paradigm—which the Marxists/Progressives have been doing for decades through feminism, homosexuality, and moral relativism—is intended to destroy America from within. The Russians predicted that also in the 60’s.


15 posted on 12/27/2010 4:03:59 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: duckworth
Identification with a common religious faith is a vital sign of a nation. It is the pulse, if you will, or the blood pressure. Britain is obviously dying.
16 posted on 12/27/2010 4:11:57 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: duckworth

It’s “Lenin,” Einstein, and I think you spent too much of your youth playing video games.


17 posted on 12/27/2010 4:14:04 PM PST by the invisib1e hand ("Three hostile newspapers are more to be feared than 200 swords" - Napoleon Bonapart)
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To: NYer

God save The Queen!


18 posted on 12/27/2010 4:15:33 PM PST by the invisib1e hand ("Three hostile newspapers are more to be feared than 200 swords" - Napoleon Bonapart)
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To: brushcop

Tell that to the ancient Christian communities in Libya, Morocco, Iran, Turkey, Egypt etc...


19 posted on 12/27/2010 4:17:20 PM PST by LastNorwegian
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To: sionnsar

IMAGINE that!


20 posted on 12/27/2010 4:23:54 PM PST by Radio Free American? (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: duckworth
Almost 50 years ago, Lennon predicted: “Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn’t argue with that; I’m right and I will be proved right.”

That prediction has been made for 2000 years has consistently be wrong because Christianity is rooted in a relationship with God.

That is why there has been an explosion of growth in Christianity in China, Africa, Russia and South Korea.

21 posted on 12/27/2010 4:25:53 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: the invisib1e hand; duckworth
Ummm... According to the BBC Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (aka Lenin) died in 1924. Way more than 50 years ago.
22 posted on 12/27/2010 4:41:19 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: NYer
From the nation that gave the world William Wilberforce and CS Lewis.
Damn.
"Even so, Lord Jesus, come quickly...."
23 posted on 12/27/2010 5:03:49 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: duckworth

Perhaps it was not too much for Lennon to predict that f your neighbor would win out over help your neighbor. Darwinism is today’s credo. Helping your lazy neighbor is encouraging socialism.


24 posted on 12/27/2010 5:11:35 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: sionnsar; duckworth
He's right- lennon said it, according web sources

I still think citing it as if it's been vindicated is empty-headed.

25 posted on 12/27/2010 5:14:01 PM PST by the invisib1e hand ("Three hostile newspapers are more to be feared than 200 swords" - Napoleon Bonapart)
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To: sionnsar; duckworth
He's right- lennon said it, according web sources

I still think citing it as if it's been vindicated is empty-headed.

26 posted on 12/27/2010 5:15:25 PM PST by the invisib1e hand ("Three hostile newspapers are more to be feared than 200 swords" - Napoleon Bonapart)
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To: the invisib1e hand; duckworth

No argument here. I had to check online before responding.


27 posted on 12/27/2010 5:15:52 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: LastNorwegian
I keep up with those communities via Voice of the Martyrs, they are still alive and growing beneath the radar. Iran more so. That is NOT to say everything is hunky-dory but Christianity will not be "defeated", impossible.
28 posted on 12/27/2010 5:55:22 PM PST by brushcop (CW4 Matthew Lourey CW2 Joshua Scott/ Kiowa pilots KIA Iraq '05. Thank you for our son's life.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

huh? wha? Lenin Einstein? Nah, it was Lenin McCartsky.


29 posted on 12/27/2010 8:33:39 PM PST by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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