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UPDATE 2-Man with bullet parts arrested at Miami airport
Reuters ^ | Dec 28, 2010 | By Kevin Gray

Posted on 12/28/2010 8:56:48 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

Law enforcement officials said they did not believe the incident had any links to terrorism. The FBI described the man as a 37-year-old nationalized U.S. citizen traveling en route to Jamaica. Authorities did not specify his previous nationality.

Authorities detained the man after a baggage handler reported a small explosion while unloading luggage from an American Airlines (AMR.N) flight that arrived in Miami from Boston.

FBI spokesman Mark Leverock said the man's luggage contained hundreds of bullet primers -- a key component of bullet cartridges.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; boston; isolatedincident; jamaica; miami; nationalsecurityfail; primers
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1 posted on 12/28/2010 8:56:50 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Smokin' Joe

Ping.

No name yet.


2 posted on 12/28/2010 8:57:48 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

Hundreds of Primers? Wow, that’s like two dollars worth.


3 posted on 12/28/2010 8:58:15 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: MediaMole

Yep.

Last year Christmas the reports were a passenger set off some fire crackers while over Detroit.

The press could not get the answers from the fedgov.

Passengers on the plane broke the story of the underwear bombers’ attempt.


4 posted on 12/28/2010 9:02:03 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

“Authorities did not specify his previous nationality.”

hmmmmm, must not be Jamaican or Amish....that leaves...


5 posted on 12/28/2010 9:03:13 PM PST by dila813
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To: MediaMole

exactly, for something that is sold in boxes of 1,000 and 5,000 its not very much.

sounds like the media spin when police arrest someone with “an arsenal and thousands of rounds of ammo” when its someone with a two .22 rifles and 3 of the walmart 550 round $8 boxes.


6 posted on 12/28/2010 9:03:30 PM PST by melkor
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To: MediaMole
Well you do understand the MSM seems to think everyone should be as well-armed and supplied with ammunition as Barney Fife, don't you?

And that anything over that is in excess.

7 posted on 12/28/2010 9:05:29 PM PST by susannah59
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To: dila813

“Authorities did not specify his previous nationality.”

hmmmmm, must not be Jamaican or Amish....that leaves...

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Methodist.

XD


8 posted on 12/28/2010 9:06:11 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Not under the influence of Hope-nosis.)
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To: MediaMole

“Wow, that’s like two dollars worth.”

You can take ammo in luggage, but not primers, percussion caps, or the like.

This guy made a mistake, fer shur!

It does not matter how many at this point. He had “some” and “some” went POP!


9 posted on 12/28/2010 9:06:35 PM PST by DBrow
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Of course that is what I was thinking, do you think I am a Racist......sulking disturbed....whimpering as I scamper away


10 posted on 12/28/2010 9:08:22 PM PST by dila813
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To: Jet Jaguar
2-Man with bullet parts arrested at Miami airport

Is this some kind of code?

11 posted on 12/28/2010 9:08:46 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit.)
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To: DBrow

Don’t you have to question how gently the baggage handler handled the baggage to cause a primer to detonate. Were the primers packaged or loosly thrown in a can or box?


12 posted on 12/28/2010 9:11:01 PM PST by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: dragnet2

Yes - We will soon be hearing stories of robotic squids destroying Beijing...


13 posted on 12/28/2010 9:12:55 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: dragnet2

No, it was update 2. Followed update 1.

More info added by reuters.


14 posted on 12/28/2010 9:14:13 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: dragnet2

No code, just the media once again displaying their abysmal ignorance of firearms and ammunition issues. And, of course, their all-too-predictable tendancy to go in heat at the mere mention of guns and ammunition.


15 posted on 12/28/2010 9:14:53 PM PST by JayVee (Joseph)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Are we sure these were in his luggage and not in his jacket? May have been one of those primer coats I've heard about. bah-dump-pish
16 posted on 12/28/2010 9:19:08 PM PST by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: satan

I wondered too. You usually must work to get a primer to go off.

Even ramp rats, I thought previously, could not get that kind of force.

Aside- I knew a guy who made bullet clocks for competition awards. Typically a circle of .38 shells with undimpled primers and a clock movement from Micheal’s or the like on a nice stained wooden plaque. He took .38 shells, cleaned them up, and pressed in “inerted” primers. I asked him about his “inerting” process, and he said he put the primers in a 6” Griswold frying pan, put a “spatter screen” over it, and heated them on a gas stove until they popped! I never felt comfortable eating burgers over there unless they came off the grille...


17 posted on 12/28/2010 9:19:08 PM PST by DBrow
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To: dila813

*snicker*


18 posted on 12/28/2010 9:19:12 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Not under the influence of Hope-nosis.)
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To: satan

I can’t think of a method of accidentally igniting a primer in a bag... If UPS is able to handle 5000 in a box,hundreds in a bag should not be an issue. The accidental ignition story stinks like a search for drugs that came up with primers.


19 posted on 12/28/2010 9:20:08 PM PST by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: 70times7

Out to paint the town red, and look what trouble he got into!


23 posted on 12/28/2010 9:20:59 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

Don’t bite down on the pepper-corns


24 posted on 12/28/2010 9:21:09 PM PST by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Bullet primers. LOL.

How does that work?


25 posted on 12/28/2010 9:22:21 PM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: kingu

Very impressive, I have never seen such a multiple post!


26 posted on 12/28/2010 9:23:07 PM PST by DBrow
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To: kingu

Wow, it really liked that post. Sorry for the multiple.


27 posted on 12/28/2010 9:23:28 PM PST by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: DBrow

The devil made him do it.


28 posted on 12/28/2010 9:24:06 PM PST by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: DBrow

I’m just talented that way. Err, really don’t know how that happened.


29 posted on 12/28/2010 9:24:58 PM PST by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: kingu

Things are bound to go badly when you answer to satan.


30 posted on 12/28/2010 9:26:28 PM PST by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: smokingfrog

Yeah, I read that “bullet primers” nonsense too.

That is like saying “tire lugnuts.”


31 posted on 12/28/2010 9:34:04 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (US out of the UN - UN out of the US)
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To: DBrow

It is easier to spray them with WD-40 and let them soak, if you want to make them inert.


32 posted on 12/28/2010 9:34:37 PM PST by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: TxDas

lol That would be my approach. But heating them up until POP is like, well, Ripley saying, Nuke them from orbit, then you can be sure!


33 posted on 12/28/2010 9:44:36 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Jet Jaguar
"....bullet primers" "...bullet cartridges."

The writer clearly does not understand much, if anything, about ammunition. The bullet is that little thing that flies through the air towards its intended resting place. Primers are those little things that react to a blow from a firearm firing pin and ignite the propellant powder contained within the shellcase. The whole assembly is called a cartridge. Multiple cartridges are known as ammunition.

A bullet is to a cartridge as flour is to bread as cement is to concrete, etceteras. When will they ever learn?

34 posted on 12/28/2010 9:46:18 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I have yet to see a headline that accurately describes what was found. Ammunition component maybe?


35 posted on 12/28/2010 9:46:38 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I have yet to see what the F888 happened.

An aerosol can explodes, wait, it was bullets, wait, it was primers.

And the suspect is now still vague.

Reminds me of last years Christmas firework display over Detroit.

Nobody could report anything that was accurate until the passengers of the plane started talking.

This time, we have no passengers. Only the baggage handlers, and their handlers.

And still no name of the “person of interest” who is not American, maybe.


36 posted on 12/28/2010 9:53:18 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: DBrow
"You usually must work to get a primer to go off."

Not really. Static electricity can ignite primers, as well as percussion and heat. Primers are not as clean as they appear. Minute amounts of the priming mix can end up on the primer exteriors during manufacture. In addition, tiny particles of priming mix 'dust' can fall from primers and accumulate in the bottom of a bulk container. Very slight movement can then ignite the primer mix and a chain reaction within the other primers can result.

Primers should never be removed from their original grid-oriented containers and stored in any other bulk container. Primer feed tubes on ammunition reloading equipment are the only exception.

37 posted on 12/28/2010 9:55:55 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: kingu
See post #37. It is far easier to ignite primers in certain conditions than you might suspect.
38 posted on 12/28/2010 9:59:04 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: TxDas
Please attempt to verify what you wrote and report back. Just because you have read that nonsense so many times does not make it true.
39 posted on 12/28/2010 10:01:21 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Jet Jaguar

“This time, we have no passengers. Only the baggage handlers, and their handlers.”

And the handlers may or may not be American, perhaps... oh, well, you know...


40 posted on 12/28/2010 10:02:30 PM PST by elpinta (John 17:3)
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To: Buffalo Head

I’m curious, where is the primer on a rim fire cartridge. I know the difference between them, but not sure how the rim fire works, despite the fact I grew up firing thousands of them on the ranch as a kid.

Thanks!


41 posted on 12/28/2010 10:06:03 PM PST by jwparkerjr (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Law enforcement officials said they did not believe the incident had any links to terrorism.

So once again our multi-billion-dollar citizen groping brigade has caught... someone with no links to terrorism. As usual.

Have any of these bozos ever caught an actual terrorist? It seems to me that those guys invariably get through our sophisticated "security" and are either subdued by passengers while attempting to light their shoes, or they burn off their wee-wees while trying to explode their underwear.

Oh, but I forget. Liberal "security" isn't really about actual security, it's about making people feeeeeeeeel "more secure."

I guess someone decided that irradiation and sexual assault by government officials imparts a comforting sense of safety to the typical American.

42 posted on 12/28/2010 10:11:01 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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...37-year-old nationalized U.S. citizen...

What the heck is a "nationalized" citizen? Do they mean "naturalized," perhaps? Or is the government now seizing citizens without their consent?

A "nationalized" citizen carrying "bullet primers," sheesh... Reuters isn't even pretending they know what they are talking about, they're just burping out mangled phrases with the intent of triggering pavlovian responses.

43 posted on 12/28/2010 10:11:33 PM PST by TheSarce (Reject Socialism. Champion Liberty.)
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To: Buffalo Head
Having handled millions of primers without accidental ignition, I will go with my long experience. The chain here is accidental ignition of a primer from luggage handling on a tarmac. A very unlikely event being heard by a luggage handler with jets at idle, equipment being used, planes landing and taking off?

The unlikely becomes absurd.

For what it is worth, TSA refs and every airline policy forbids transporting primers and black powder. It is even possible that he was using an old muzzleloader trick of using shotgun shells (which are legal to transport with declaration) to hide his primers. But this whole story of a primer going off in luggage on the ground and being heard is increadibly unlikely.

44 posted on 12/28/2010 10:12:00 PM PST by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: jwparkerjr
There is not a separate primer, per se, in rimfire ammunition. Primer mix is forced into the internal cavity formed within the rim of the shellcase. The firing pin in rimfire firearms crushes the rim, which ignites the primer mix contained in that peripheral cavity which in turn ignites the propellant powder.
45 posted on 12/28/2010 10:12:16 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: kingu
My comments stem from having been involved in the safe production and usage of many, many billions of primers. There has been nothing yet published about the incident that would suggest something happened other than what the scant reports claim.

A cavalier attitude about explosives will usually lead to problems.

46 posted on 12/28/2010 10:26:41 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Buffalo Head

Ah, that makes sense! A million thanks. I’ve wondered about that for years but never came across an occasion to ask about it!


47 posted on 12/28/2010 10:29:33 PM PST by jwparkerjr (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: kingu

“The accidental ignition story stinks like a search for drugs that came up with primers.”

I have to agree with you.

Anyone familiar with Primers and their packaging would Tape the individual Boxes so they could not slide open and then either tape the 1000 count box as well or at least wrap up the 100 count boxes in a sock or something like that.

No way could they accidentally go off unless they were loose in the suitcase and even then I have my doubts. They would have to come out of the suitcase and be crushed in some manner.


48 posted on 12/28/2010 10:30:31 PM PST by SwedeBoy2
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To: Buffalo Head
Reason has to step into it. Are you suggesting that a baggage handler on the ground, outside, could identify the explosion of any percussion primer within luggage, excluding far more rational explanations for the sound including zipper pulls hitting the ground, locks hitting metal, plastics on luggage snapping...

Wish the guy luck, though. At minimum, he is in violation of 15 laws with minimum fines of $250.00 each with usual punishments of $12,000.

49 posted on 12/28/2010 10:49:25 PM PST by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I don’t know about Jamaica, but some Caribbean Islands have made private ownership of firearms / ammunition illegal.


50 posted on 12/28/2010 11:08:59 PM PST by Does so (Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.)
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